Another reported assault

#227
#227
hog88 said:
Reminded me of the Rolling Stone article about the alleged UVA gang rape. A bunch of unnamed sources, no documentation or backup. It was slanted to make you believe UT protected a football player, when it could have easily been investigated fully and and the proper conclusion reached.
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Based on all the evidence that the victim and Tennessean presented (and I'm sure they presented all they had) I can't see any other outcome that they could have come to. All she has is her story. But the University has both sides and what they have uncovered themselves that will go untold probably. Classic hatchet job by the Tennessean.
 
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bnhunt said:
If this was your 19-year-old daughter and she called you with this story would you call her a "nut" too? I doubt it. Man, no one loves the Vols more than me, but don't dismiss all these stories just because it involves our football team.
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Pay better attention. By "latter" that means IMO she's made bad decisions and isn't a nut. I'm not dismissing her story either. I never indicated that it gets special treatment because it involves the football team. I am questioning the newspaper's motives however.
 
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bnhunt said:
Not sure I would call this (see below) "confronting" her accuser, but I guess she isn't allowed to go to parties or her leave her dorm room ever again.

"In early January, just two days after returning from winter break for her second semester, the 19-year-old woman encountered her alleged assailant at a fraternity party."
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Why don't you read before attacking? I already pointed that exact thing out.
 
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Stevorino said:
What kind of sense does that make: ' the damage is done'? Why even admit kids into the school if they are incapable of learning new things?! Then it's even MORE Butch's fault for allowing low-character individuals to represent the program.

Yes, I understand that some of the students and student athletes are not brought up in the best environment. That's even more reason to spend considerable time and resources helping them adjust to the standards expected of them as an adult.

.. I don't get what you are trying to say in the final paragraph.. sorry.
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Its as simple as nature versus nurture. Do you think an uneducated kid who has been given free passes all of his life because he is special will all of the sudden develops social and self awareness once he gets on campus where he is once again worshipped for playing a game? No. It starts in the home, it starts with being properly educated. It doesn't start with a football coach in college saying hey don't do that. We need to start looking at these kids as what they are. Kids. We, as adults, need to stop worshipping these kids.

It makes all the sense in the world that after being given the keys to the prison for the inmates to run loose.
 
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Aesius said:
I just hope that the university didn't try to cover this up or rush through the investigation in order to spare a star football player. The details about the investigation in that article make the university's actions sound pretty damn suspicious, considering how much they deviated from standard protocol when it comes to reported sexual assaults/rapes.
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Why? Because they didn't drag a student, or the football program through the mud for allegations that absolutely cannot be substantiated?
 
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crusse10 said:
what's so wrong is that you're angrier about the writing of the article than the possibility that Team 118 had at least 3 rapists
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....and don't forget Trayvon Paulk, who busted up his lady friend and put her in her place. It's getting like the old days around here. Is Fulmer in charge behind the scenes?
 
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etsuvol13 said:
Its as simple as nature versus nurture. Do you think an uneducated kid who has been given free passes all of his life because he is special will all of the sudden develops social and self awareness once he gets on campus where he is once again worshipped for playing a game? No. It starts in the home, it starts with being properly educated. It doesn't start with a football coach in college saying hey don't do that. We need to start looking at these kids as what they are. Kids. We, as adults, need to stop worshipping these kids.

It makes all the sense in the world that after being given the keys to the prison for the inmates to run loose.
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This is absolutely elitist, and puke worthy.
 
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1972 Grad said:
You don't believe that he beat her up? Why did Butch dismiss him?
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He pushed her in the face which resulted in a swollen lip is what I read. Far from the common definition of "beating up". And I think he paid a pretty stiff penalty for it.
 
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#246
mocfan said:
Could be 4 depending on the current investigation.
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Or 4 innocent people also. None of these guys have been convicted yet. If they are, I will support the verdicts but not until then I will call any rapists. Again, based on what the paper reported, this could happen to any guy who hooks up with some chick who two days later regrets she cheated on her boyfriend or a friend finds out about her actions.
 
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etsuvol13 said:
Its as simple as nature versus nurture. Do you think an uneducated kid who has been given free passes all of his life because he is special will all of the sudden develops social and self awareness once he gets on campus where he is once again worshipped for playing a game? No. It starts in the home, it starts with being properly educated. It doesn't start with a football coach in college saying hey don't do that. We need to start looking at these kids as what they are. Kids. We, as adults, need to stop worshipping these kids.

It makes all the sense in the world that after being given the keys to the prison for the inmates to run loose.
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So let me get this straight:

You are suggesting this is squarely on Butch's shoulders.

He is the one identifying the character of the kids that he brings in. If they have no chance at ethical reform, then you should NEVER risk bringing in a kid from a rough background.

So when we have multiple rapists in the football program, this is a critical admissions/coaching error.




I understand that there is likely a correlation between kids with rough backgrounds and a lower ethical standard.

But I personally think 18 is not too young to learn how to be an adult. We heard DeBord in his presser talk about molding men as a reason he loves coaching college kids.

I also don't think sexual assault is a problem exclusive to kids from rough backgrounds. It's happening at colleges across the nation to all kinds of students and student athletes.
 
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#249
This is really sketchy reporting by the Tennessean, and I think you'll only see more and more articles like this from Matt Slovin and Anita Wadhwani. They're the same ones who drug Hurd's name through the mud about drinking charges when the real story turned out to be very different.

It's hard to discuss these types of topics without appearing to "victim bash", but I think simply discussing the facts & inconsistencies the article presents is completely valid and something we should do when the implications are so huge.

The article uses the story from the victim & her father for most of it..their quotes, thoughts, actions, etc. Anita presents these as truth, without offering any version of the other side of the story. Whether she simply couldn't get the other side or chose not to, I don't know.

Instead she points out 3 "unusual" things:
1. The University Office chosen to investigate the case changed about 5 weeks into the investigation. Instead of the office that investigates student misconduct, it would be the office that investigates employee/non-student misconduct. The University does not explain why. Were the motives nefarious? Was the other office "backed up" and this was a way to make the investigation a priority? Did the situation involve employee/non-student misconduct in some way? Is this a change in University policy? There are dozens of reasons, both good/bad that this could have happened

2. The University does not comment if Butch knows about the allegations when asked by the father. I really don't know how this qualifies as an "unusual" point. Two quotes from the father are concerning:

-"The University seems far more interested in protecting the reputation of the football team than a 19-year-old assault victim"
-"continued presence on the football team as a public representative of the University adds insult to injury. Knowing what (the football player) has done, I cannot tolerate seeing him run through the 'T' every home game; he has not earned that satisfaction."

If I were a University official I wouldn't respond to these either. What difference does it make if Butch has been notified (he was, by the way)? The investigation is being handled by the University, and to somehow act as if Butch is the higher authority here implies the University is not capable of doing their job, which is very insulting.

3. The University, in a 9-page summary with two eye witnesses, determined the sex was consensual. This was "unusual" because normally investigations return a "violation" or "no violation" finding. So, by giving a more descriptive definition of their findings, that's considered "unusual". Had the University said there was "no violation" instead, that would not be unusual. This is semantics, imo.

That is basically the article, and it's very scary what Anita is possibly implying: a sexual assault was covered up by an internal investigation for the benefit of a football player & program. Those are VERY serious allegations. And unfortunately the evidence that Anita presented in her article is vague, inconsistent, and weak. This was not a good article by the Tennessean.
 
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