Another reported assault

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wmcovol said:
This isn't a Vandy thing as bad as the Tennessean wants it to be. This girl appeared to be able to walk in his room willingly. Does that legitimize rape? No but it makes it a lot more difficult to prove especially waiting two days to report. It sure doesn't merit prosecution for rape either.
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How do you know she walked into his room? She said the last thing she remembers is taking a selfie at a party, then becoming coherent in the middle of being raped in his dorm room.
 
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What in the heck is going on in Knoxville? This is disgusting. Especially after learning about Riyad Jones recently. This is getting ugly.
 
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wmcovol said:
Agree there is a double standard. Women enjoy it when that standard puts them on the pedestal but don't want the responsibility that comes with it.

I've now read the story and it appears the classic "he said, she said". Unfortunately for the girl and the hanging mob here the only witnesses appeared to say she didn't appear drunk when they left and she did go to his room. Now, you're going to ruin this guys life, regardless if he's a HEISMAN winner or a flute player, based on her testimony over two other witnesses? Where were her friends?

I think I know why she didn't want an investigation. That would involve phone records, reports, video surveillance, more witnesses, etc. It's strange that all they want is him off the team? Will that make her happy, healthy? Sounds like someone with regret that others know about her.

This isn't a Vandy thing as bad as the Tennessean wants it to be. This girl appeared to be able to walk in his room willingly. Does that legitimize rape? No but it makes it a lot more difficult to prove especially waiting two days to report. It sure doesn't merit prosecution for rape either.
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So rape only definitely happens to people who are too disoriented to walk without assistance?
 
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I don't know anything about this alleged incident but I do know that this article was a pathetic piece of hatchet journalism. One of many from that rag of a newspaper.
 
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volgrad500 said:
In your own words you have described the crime of rape in TN. If a person knows or should have known that the other person is too impaired to give consent, whether they are a man or woman, it is rape. Period.

You may not like the law, but that is what the law in TN says.
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No I havent. You are distorting the law from passed out drunk, to really drunk. She may have given consent and just doesn't remember. We are not all experts on how a person acts when they are too drunk to know what's best for them.
Unlike the Vandy case. There just isn't evidence here to know. Even the darn alleged victim doesn't know. Just because she doesn't remember, doesn't mean she didn't give him consent. It doesn't mean she didn't jump his bones, and initiate the entire thing.
We also don't know if she is lying or with holding certain things she remembers doing.
My point is, he might have raped her. She might be lying. Or she may have given consent and just doesn't remember.
To come with other conclusions besides all three is purely to make a decision based on a prejudice or preconceived notion concerning rape, football players, or both.
You don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. Even the alleged victim doesn't know. So stop acting like you do. And stop assuming someone is trying to cover this up.
 
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Joe Vols said:
In her own words, she got so drunk she doesn't remember what happened. She doesn't know if she said no. She doesn't know if she jumped his bones. She was so drunk she doesn't even know if she was raped.

In the article it states that she was handed a cup of punch, and then another, like the girl isn't even responsible for her decision to drink the punch. It sounds like she got drunk, had sex, doesn't really remember it, but regrets it...
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Ever heard of roofies? Google "Bill Cosby"

You don't know that she got wasted, and neither do I. College girls get wasted; they also get stuff put in their drinks or punch or Diet Coke or whatever. There's a lot of really evil crap going on out there. Hard for parents as well as their kids.
 
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Joe Vols said:
No I havent. You are distorting the law from passed out drunk, to really drunk. She may have given consent and just doesn't remember. We are not all experts on how a person acts when they are too drunk to know what's best for them.
Unlike the Vandy case. There just isn't evidence here to know. Even the darn alleged victim doesn't know. Just because she doesn't remember, doesn't mean she didn't give him consent. It doesn't mean she didn't jump his bones, and initiate the entire thing.
We also don't know if she is lying or with holding certain things she remembers doing.
My point is, he might have raped her. She might be lying. Or she may have given consent and just doesn't remember.
To come with other conclusions besides all three is purely to make a decision based on a prejudice or preconceived notion concerning rape, football players, or both.
You don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. Even the alleged victim doesn't know. So stop acting like you do. And stop assuming someone is trying to cover this up.
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if you can't remember giving consent, you aren't physically capable of giving consent
 
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How many people here still 100% believe that Xander Broughton butt-chugged?

But y'all still wanna act like you need a full investigation done before making any assumptions
 
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VolNExile said:
Ever heard of roofies? Google "Bill Cosby"

You don't know that she got wasted, and neither do I. College girls get wasted; they also get stuff put in their drinks or pinch or Diet Coke or whatever. There's a lot of really evil crap going on out there. Hard for parents as well as their kids.
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True. I don't know what happened. That's my entire point. None of know what really happened because there is no real evidence here.
 
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etsuvol13 said:
I think this would be the best comment in the thread, if you had a reference.
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You're right I should have included this. Here is the Tennessee code:

39-13-503. Rape.

(a) Rape is unlawful sexual penetration of a victim by the defendant or of the defendant by a victim accompanied by any of the following circumstances:

(1) Force or coercion is used to accomplish the act;

(2) The sexual penetration is accomplished without the consent of the victim and the defendant knows or has reason to know at the time of the penetration that the victim did not consent;

(3) The defendant knows or has reason to know that the victim is mentally defective, mentally incapacitated or physically helpless;
 
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crusse10 said:
if you can't remember giving consent, you aren't physically capable of giving consent
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That is just bs. I have been so drunk when I was younger that I don't remember things, but my friends filled me in the next day. And I was far from incapacitated.
 
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weirdfishes said:
How do you know she walked into his room? She said the last thing she remembers is taking a selfie at a party, then becoming coherent in the middle of being raped in his dorm room.
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I don't know for sure but it appears 1) witnesses saw them leave and she didn't appear drunk so I assumed she could walk and 2) possibly UT in their investigation looked at any possible security video at the dorm to see her walk in. They better have cause I expect UT to be added to the fed investigation list.
 
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Joe Vols said:
No I havent. You are distorting the law from passed out drunk, to really drunk. She may have given consent and just doesn't remember. We are not all experts on how a person acts when they are too drunk to know what's best for them.
Unlike the Vandy case. There just isn't evidence here to know. Even the darn alleged victim doesn't know. Just because she doesn't remember, doesn't mean she didn't give him consent. It doesn't mean she didn't jump his bones, and initiate the entire thing.
We also don't know if she is lying or with holding certain things she remembers doing.
My point is, he might have raped her. She might be lying. Or she may have given consent and just doesn't remember.
To come with other conclusions besides all three is purely to make a decision based on a prejudice or preconceived notion concerning rape, football players, or both.
You don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. Even the alleged victim doesn't know. So stop acting like you do. And stop assuming someone is trying to cover this up.
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Where have I said anything remotely like he did it, I think he did it, or think they covered it up? Show me. You have made several inaccurate statements in this thread, but it doesn't stop you from continuing to spew bull@#$#.
 
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volgrad500 said:
You're right I should have included this. Here is the Tennessee code:

39-13-503. Rape.

(a) Rape is unlawful sexual penetration of a victim by the defendant or of the defendant by a victim accompanied by any of the following circumstances:

(1) Force or coercion is used to accomplish the act;

(2) The sexual penetration is accomplished without the consent of the victim and the defendant knows or has reason to know at the time of the penetration that the victim did not consent;

(3) The defendant knows or has reason to know that the victim is mentally defective, mentally incapacitated or physically helpless;
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From the statements in this article, you know none of these 3 things.
 
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volgrad500 said:
Where have I said anything remotely like he did it, I think he did it, or think they covered it up? Show me. You have made several inaccurate statements in this thread, but it doesn't stop you from continuing to spew bull@#$#.
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Good I'm glad you admitted you do t know.
 
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Joe Vols said:
True. I don't know what happened. That's my entire point. None of know what really happened because there is no real evidence here.
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What kind of evidence are you looking for, pictures? She reported it to a resident assistant, went to a sexual assault center and had an exam, and then involved university officials. She should have gone to the police, but the evidence would still be the same.
 
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I just hope that the university didn't try to cover this up or rush through the investigation in order to spare a star football player. The details about the investigation in that article make the university's actions sound pretty damn suspicious, considering how much they deviated from standard protocol when it comes to reported sexual assaults/rapes.
 
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wmcovol said:
I don't know for sure but it appears 1) witnesses saw them leave and she didn't appear drunk so I assumed she could walk and 2) possibly UT in their investigation looked at any possible security video at the dorm to see her walk in. They better have cause I expect UT to be added to the fed investigation list.
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You would certainly think they looked at video camera, which there would be putside the dorm and down the hallway of the dorm (if the player stayed on campus). If not that's sad on part of the whole university.
 
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