Another reported assault

[etsuvol13]

You're right I should have included this. Here is the Tennessee code:

39-13-503. Rape.

(a) Rape is unlawful sexual penetration of a victim by the defendant or of the defendant by a victim accompanied by any of the following circumstances:

(1) Force or coercion is used to accomplish the act;

(2) The sexual penetration is accomplished without the consent of the victim and the defendant knows or has reason to know at the time of the penetration that the victim did not consent;

(3) The defendant knows or has reason to know that the victim is mentally defective, mentally incapacitated or physically helpless;

Can't argue against the FACTS people. I believe the focus of this should be on what exactly these kids are being taught. For women it seems they are taught more on how to react if it happens, and it seems athletes aren't taught much outside of "well I'm on TV and an athlete so of course she wants me."

I fully believe that if these a hole athletes weren't allowed to be recruited until they were seniors, and they were forced to take public responsibility courses, there would be less entitlement. On the women's side, they need to be taught what to do if it happens, but more importantly how to avoid it. Personally, I blame very poor situational awareness and lack of education.

 

[wmcovol]

So rape only definitely happens to people who are too disoriented to walk without assistance?

No but u can't convict or even prosecute someone without some form of evidence that a rape occurred. She can't remember telling him yes or no, remember? But, unlike the VU case where video evidence showed the victim unable to function, this girl appeared to others NOT to be drunk and probably able to walk and talk. And she didn't report this until 2days later to a residence authority so a rape exam, etc is not available. Regardless of how much all of us hate it, you can't scream rape, get a conviction and a penalty just on an accusation. Remember Duke Lacrosse?

 

[butchna]

My niece accused my brother-in-law of molesting her three years ago...three years later she's a well adjusted,ambitious student and after her story fell apart, he's able to see her sisters ( his daughters) and still be devoted to my sister...even though she divorced him and remarried. He's glad SOMEONE (the judge in this case) let questions be asked.

 

[weirdfishes]

and it seems athletes aren't taught much outside of "well I'm on TV and an athlete so of course she wants me."

When they showed people chanting Drew Richmond's name at the basketball game, it was great, but it worried me for this very reason. That much attention and adoration does not work out well for some young people.

 

[1972 Grad]

Can't argue against the FACTS people. I believe the focus of this should be on what exactly these kids are being taught. For women it seems they are taught more on how to react if it happens, and it seems athletes aren't taught much outside of "well I'm on TV and an athlete so of course she wants me."

I fully believe that if these a hole athletes weren't allowed to be recruited until they were seniors, and they were forced to take public responsibility courses, there would be less entitlement. On the women's side, they need to be taught what to do if it happens, but more importantly how to avoid it. Personally, I blame very poor situational awareness and lack of education.

I blame the lack of 2 strong role models in the home, thus a lack of values. And I blame the government for taking the place of a working father in the home.

 

[Aesius]

I blame the lack of 2 strong role models in the home, thus a lack of values. And I blame the government for taking the place of a working father in the home.

I have fond memories of playing catch in the yard with Uncle Sam as a kid.

 

[ncvol17]

Anyone watch the movie the OXBOW INCIDENT? Might add another perspective to 'interpreting the facts' as they may seem.

 

[vol66]

I watched the Dr. Phil interview with Cory Batey. I think it says quite a bit about what the culture on college campuses is like. It doesn't matter whether it's a state school, private, military, it's happening everywhere. It's happening here. These incidents that have been reported on, these are rare because the victims came forward, how many incidents does that mean are actually occurring?

In the interview he repeatedly says, "it's not me, it's not who I am." He sobs when asked if he let his mother down, "she did her job", he says. He said he'd never been in trouble like this before (with LE). His mother worked at Vanderbilt for almost 40 years.

Yet, there he sits, on TV, from a jail in Nashville.

Is it celebrating "the DOG one has", trying to be accepted like a gang? The leaders of a group deciding what stuff is cool to do and who is "in or out"? Certainly seems like smashing an unconscious B!%*( has made the list of acceptable acts.

It's sick. Period.

 

[Vol Catdaddy]

I have a daughter! And if this happened to my daughter I would want blood!

 

[OrangeSquid]

If you really want to know why this girl PROBABLY just went through the school on this, it's because it goes much more quickly and doesn't become front page news. It doesn't become a thread on VolNation. The player is dismissed from the team for unstated reasons. It isn't putting him in jail, but it's moving him away from her so that she can move on with her life while he receives some form of punishment.

And most of all, thousands of dickheads on the internet don't run her through the mud for going attacking the football player they like. They don't look for ways that she could have handled this better. They don't call her out for drinking excessively. They don't say that it's partially her fault because she didn't know her tolerance.
I feel like everyone arguing that she could be wrong is incapable of ever truly believing that she isn't wrong without seeing a video of the non-consent. Same goes for the AJ case.

If fewer people immediately attacked the credibility of the person making the claims, victims as a whole would be more likely to come forward.

Unless this was meant to be in Blue Font, then LE couldn't have been any worse.

 

[Gandalf]

If I read the story correctly, she had been drinking pretty heavily. Real Question: How does anyone know whether she gave consent, i.e. "go for it' in a boozy state only to wake up later and wonder "what have I done"?

I mean, teenage girls want to have sex as well. Often, they have serious confusion over society's expectation of them being "a good girl" vs their own curiosity and desires. That's where alcohol often enters, to give false courage and suspend responsibility.

I have no idea of the facts in this case, of course, but I find it interesting that no one ever seems to consider the idea that the girl wanted the sex while she was in an impaired state and regretted her actions after sobering up. Much like the actions taken by many young men while in an inebriated state. Is her drinking and going up to a guy's room enough to make her deserve being raped? of course not - but such situations make it difficult for an equally impaired male judgment to consider if there is informed consent.

The only way to be sure is for college campuses to inform that ALL sex between students is forbidden without a signed written contract. But then you are treating them like children instead of adults.

 

[Stevorino]

Can't argue against the FACTS people. I believe the focus of this should be on what exactly these kids are being taught. For women it seems they are taught more on how to react if it happens, and it seems athletes aren't taught much outside of "well I'm on TV and an athlete so of course she wants me."

I fully believe that if these a hole athletes weren't allowed to be recruited until they were seniors, and they were forced to take public responsibility courses, there would be less entitlement. On the women's side, they need to be taught what to do if it happens, but more importantly how to avoid it. Personally, I blame very poor situational awareness and lack of education.

And that, right there, is why I'm pissed off.

Educating the students and student athletes at Tennessee is something this University and athletic program has the resources to emphasize.

With this recent string of issues, I think Tennessee should take this as a challenge, stand up, and redefine how Universities tackle sexual assault.

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

This has got to stop, even if it means posting Nuns with Uzis's at every party! I know it happens at all the colleges and even high schools but this tarnishes "Our University" and "Our Program." We don't want to be mentioned in the same breath with FSU!

All Air Force personnel no matter what age or rank must attend day long courses on Sexual Assault and Prevention Counseling (SARC) every 6-12 months. Please tell me the university has something similar.

Also, they these girls and even guys need to have a "Wingman" when they are out partying to look after them.

One last thing, girls should be taught to drink out of smaller cups commensurate with their body size and be real leery of anyone fetching them drinks!

 

[Purplehaze26]

If you are raped or assaulted, report to the KPD.
I suggest you do not attend "fraternity parties" where you should suspect that most of the guys have agendas for sexual pleasure.
You can attend "sorority" parties where the environment and partygoers are more familiar and may offer more "security"
Find a group of girls to go party with that may not involve fraternity or sorority houses. Many fraternities have better reputations than others when parties are involved.

Just my thoughts. I do have a daughter that currently belongs to a college sorority. Believe me, I know how independent thinking they are. They feel immortal.

 

[Besteresque]

I firmly believe that anyone that committs a crime should be held responsible. (No shocker there.)

However, I have trouble acknowleding that anyone who willingly compromises themselves with alchohol is completly free of the whatever consequences that entails.

I'm not saying this unnamed alledged assailant is innocent; I am simply acknowledging that the alledged victim willingly placed herself in a compromising position.

The father should be additionally mad at himself for not succesfully instructing his daughter on maintaing safe behavoirs.

Getting passout drunk isn't safe.

If she isn't drunk, this situation never happens, and she has complete control over whether she gets drunk. This is simple self defense.

Once again, this does not excuse the alledged attacker.

I am simply pointing out how victims frequently, wiilingly put themselves in unsafe situations.

 

[crusse10]

Yes, being mindful of surroundings is a good idea. But also like...don't rape?

I mean, I know I'm asking a lot. I know asking people to not rape people is really out there. Instead instilling fear in our loved ones is the solution. Because the fear of rape should be what every person thinks about, instead of the other people just not raping.

 

[etsuvol13]

And that, right there, is why I'm pissed off.

Educating the students and student athletes at Tennessee is something this University and athletic program has the resources to emphasize.

With this recent string of issues, I think Tennessee should take this as a challenge, stand up, and redefine how Universities tackle sexual assault.

Why does that piss you off? By the time they get to the university level, the damage from a lack of education is done. Face it, these people are worshipped for being good at running, hitting, and playing with a leather ball. Since they are worshipped, it is automatically thought they know better. Who gives two floaters if the university emphasizes something. Theyve been told all of their lives they are special and the recruiting process emphasizes that.

Maybe the issue is taking the approach of "accepting this as a challenge.". These are lives at stake not academic issues. What pisses me off are reactive approaches instead of proactive.

 

[Besteresque]

Yes, being mindful of surroundings is a good idea. But also like...don't rape?

I mean, I know I'm asking a lot. I know asking people to not rape people is really out there. Instead instilling fear in our loved ones is the solution. Because the fear of rape should be what every person thinks about, instead of the other people just not raping.

I understand what you are saying and don't dissagree. I am simply stating that there are simple self defense principles that, if used, could dramatically cut down on these terrible incidents.

As we have seen, relying entirely on the self control of college boys isn't working.

 

[crusse10]

I understand what you are saying and don't dissagree. I am simply stating that there are simple self defense principles that, if used, could dramatically cut down on these terrible incidents.

As we have seen, relying entirely on the self control of college boys isn't working.

that doesn't mean that we should place any blame on victims if they don't use self defense principles, though

 

[vol66]

I'm just going to come out and let Cee Lo do the work here...

The question is not whether what he said was wrong.

The question is this, where in the world did he get the notion that: “People who have really been raped REMEMBER!!!”

and: "If someone is passed out they're not even WITH you consciously! so With implies consent."

Is this the case of one person being a dumba$$ or are there other people who have the same notion and if so, where does it come from?

 

[hog88]

What was wrong with the article?

Reminded me of the Rolling Stone article about the alleged UVA gang rape. A bunch of unnamed sources, no documentation or backup. It was slanted to make you believe UT protected a football player, when it could have easily been investigated fully and and the proper conclusion reached.

 

[Stevorino]

Why does that piss you off? By the time they get to the university level, the damage from a lack of education is done. Face it, these people are worshipped for being good at running, hitting, and playing with a leather ball. Since they are worshipped, it is automatically thought they know better. Who gives two floaters if the university emphasizes something. Theyve been told all of their lives they are special and the recruiting process emphasizes that.

Maybe the issue is taking the approach of "accepting this as a challenge.". These are lives at stake not academic issues. What pisses me off are reactive approaches instead of proactive.

What kind of sense does that make: ' the damage is done'? Why even admit kids into the school if they are incapable of learning new things?! Then it's even MORE Butch's fault for allowing low-character individuals to represent the program.

Yes, I understand that some of the students and student athletes are not brought up in the best environment. That's even more reason to spend considerable time and resources helping them adjust to the standards expected of them as an adult.

.. I don't get what you are trying to say in the final paragraph.. sorry.

 

[crusse10]

Unless this was meant to be in Blue Font, then LE couldn't have been any worse.

wut

 

[hog88]

a female wrote it and it attacks an unnamed player on the football team he likes

So wrong.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Just by that statement you prove you really know nothing about campus police, city departments, or sheriff's departments!

Quit running down the fine men and women who work in campus police when you really do not know what you are talking about.

To ge just a little educated go research a few laws like Clery and VAWA. Then research the Tennessee POST Commision.
:loco:

Wtf. I wasn't running down campus police. At one point the UTK Police were also deputized in Knox County. All that I did was point that out and say that I did not know if that is still the setup. I didn't say that they are structured such that they report to the sheriff. I was actually told by a UTK Police officer that they are also Knox County deputies.