Another reported assault

[orangeluvr]

The Tennessean reporter (Anita Wadhwani) gives considerable scrutiny to the university's handling of this off campus 'incident' and credence to the alleged victim's account of it but seemingly never asked the most obvious question, "If you believe that you were sexually assaulted and you want to see the assailant held accountable for his actions, then why haven't you reported this incident to law enforcement officials?"... The answer to that question doesn't even seem to matter to the reporter (Wadhwani) which makes this article look like it has an agenda of it's own.

Right, the police take an oath to protect and serve. The manner in which they execute that obligation has been, still is, and always will be a topic for debate.

 

[Vol Catdaddy]

Some one needs to talk to the guys Seriously! This is not cool!

 

[weirdfishes]

In here own words, she got so drunk she doesn't remember what happened. She doesn't know if she said no. She doesn't know if she jumped his bones. She was so drunk she doesn't even know if she was raped.
In the article it states that she was handed a cup of punch, and then another, like the girl isn't even responsible for her decision to drink the punch. It sounds like she got drunk, had sex, doesn't really remember it, but regrets it.
g heavily intoxicated leave scars.

How do we know she wasn't drugged?

It IS rape to have sex with someone who is mentally incoherent from alcohol in the state of Tennessee.

"The last thing she remembers before blacking out was taking a selfie with the football player at the party. She woke up lying face down on his dorm room bed as she was being sexually violated, the spaghetti strap of her top torn. She remembers slipping in and out of consciousness."

Tell me where the consent is?

This thread is frustrating and disappointing. Maybe it's a generational thing, I don't know.

Guys go out and drink and party and it's cool. Girls do the same thing and become targets of guys who can't keep it in their pants. Which one ends up with the blame........

 

[1972 Grad]

Playing golf has no cache. But also let's be real, there are 100-110ish players per school for football and men's basketball. Golf and volleyball (if you even have those mens sports) would be less than 30.

So, it's just a matter of numbers? I guess then that there are a lot of sexual assault cases across the country involving golf and volleyball team members, since there are thousands of them.

 

[crusse10]

So, it's just a matter of numbers? I guess then that there are a lot of sexual assault cases across the country involving golf and volleyball team members, since there are thousands of them.

It's clear that you're trying to bait me into mentioning race because you don't have the balls to say it yourself.

 

[tri_vol]

So after reading that article, you choose to focus on what you perceive is the wrong actions of the girl for not going to the police and the failures of her parents for not forcing her to go to the police?

And by the way, what makes you think she isn't going to go to the police? It's possible and probably even likely at this point, that after giving UT the chance to handle it she does go to KPD. Will that lift this cloud of suspicion you have concerning the girl and her family?

No I'm not blaming her or focusing just on that. I'm choosing to view the situation from all angles. If she was raped then he needs to be thrown in jail. The only way that happens is if she goes to the police.

The other side is she was naive, went to her first college party, got drunk and lost her virginity in an unceremonious way. The next day she feels like she was taken advantage of so she tells her friends and family that he assaulted her and hence her reluctance to involve the police.

The fact is no one knows what happened and the only way to even get remotely close to the truth is involving the police which according to the article she is unwilling to do. Has nothing to do with blaming the victim, just a statement of fact.

 

[Joe Vols]

She also said she remembers fading in and out of consciousness, insinuating she was past out. That isn't necessarily true however. I have been so drunk I don't remember what I did for an hour, but I sure wasn't passed out. I flashed a room full of people, in not one of my prouder moments. I got a few dates from it later tho. I remember bits and pieces of what I did, but not all of it.

 

[Aesius]

In her own words, she got so drunk she doesn't remember what happened. She doesn't know if she said no. She doesn't know if she jumped his bones. She was so drunk she doesn't even know if she was raped.
In the article it states that she was handed a cup of punch, and then another, like the girl isn't even responsible for her decision to drink the punch. It sounds like she got drunk, had sex, doesn't really remember it, but regrets it.
For once, I wish someone would write an article about why you shouldn't drink heavily in social gatherings. Or living with the regrets of making bad decisions while heavily intoxicated.
I have 2 girls in college. I have told them both not to drink so much they get into situations like this. I have given them first hand accounts from my college days what can happen when they drink too much. I have tried to raise my 3 children to be responsible for their actions.
Women are forcibly raped while drunk. My wife for example was date raped before we met. He tied here hands to a car door with his belt. She remembers the whole thing, because she was buzzing, but wasn't so drunk she doesn't remember what happened. Sober women are forcably raped also. Rape is a terrible crime.
My point is this. In the victims own words she was so drunk even she doesn't know if she was raped. She is accusing a young man of something, but she was too drunk to remember what happened herself.
It's not a crime to have sex with a really drunk girl who lets you. Maybe it should be, but as of right now it's not.
I know I will be flamed for this, but sometimes the cold reality of the truth hurts. And most of the time poor decisions while being heavily intoxicated leave scars.

I was in the process of writing something very similar to this. It's certainly possible that this woman was raped, but it's equally possible that she was extremely intoxicated and did indeed tell the football player to "go for it," as the article states, when he asked her if she wanted to have sex.

She told the reporter that she never gave consent, but she also said she doesn't remember anything after taking a selfie with the player at the party, so her account is unreliable after that point.

I'm definitely not insinuating that this girl is lying or that the football player is innocent, but being very drunk makes people do things they may not be aware of or remember the next day.

 

[MFL]

In her own words, she got so drunk she doesn't remember what happened. She doesn't know if she said no. She doesn't know if she jumped his bones. She was so drunk she doesn't even know if she was raped.
In the article it states that she was handed a cup of punch, and then another, like the girl isn't even responsible for her decision to drink the punch. It sounds like she got drunk, had sex, doesn't really remember it, but regrets it.
For once, I wish someone would write an article about why you shouldn't drink heavily in social gatherings. Or living with the regrets of making bad decisions while heavily intoxicated.
I have 2 girls in college. I have told them both not to

drink so much they get into situations like this. I have given them first hand accounts from my college days what can happen when they drink too much. I have tried to raise my 3 children to be responsible for their actions.
Women are forcibly raped while drunk. My wife for example was date raped before we met. He tied here



hands to a car door with his belt. She remembers the whole thing, because she was buzzing, but wasn't so drunk she doesn't remember what happened. Sober women are forcably raped also. Rape is a terrible crime.
My point is this. In the victims own words she was so drunk even she doesn't know if she was raped. She is accusing a young man of something, but she was too drunk to remember what happened herself.
It's not a crime to have sex with a really drunk girl who lets you. Maybe it should be, but as of right now it's not.
I know I will be flamed for this, but sometimes the cold reality of the truth hurts. And most of the time poor decisions while being heavily intoxicated leave scars.

If you watched the Vandy case you would know you would go to jail with your logic as it's already law. They got caught because they were so stupid using cameras.
They humped a woman tapped out. They are looking at 30-60 years. It's sad many get away with raping a drunk woman completly helpless to say no.

 

[1972 Grad]

It's clear that you're trying to bate me into mentioning race because you don't have the balls to say it yourself.

You just did.

 

[Aesius]

If you watched the Vandy case you would know you would go to jail with your logic as it's already law. They got caught because they were so stupid using cameras.
They humped a woman tapped out. They are looking at 30-60 years. It's sad many get away with raping a drunk woman completly helpless to say no.

There's a difference between being blackout drunk and being unconscious. People walk around, hold conversations, drive, etc., while blackout drunk and have no memory of it the next day.

 

[crusse10]

There's a difference between being blackout drunk and being unconscious. People walk around, hold conversations, drive, etc., while blackout drunk and have no memory of it the next day.

but it's also blatantly obvious that they aren't "all there." Not "all there" means "not able to consent."

 

[Joe Vols]

If you watched the Vandy case you would know you would go to jail with your logic as it's already law. They got caught because they were so stupid using cameras.
They humped a woman tapped out. They are looking at 30-60 years. It's sad many get away with raping a drunk woman completly helpless to say no.

In this case there is evidence.

 

[Aesius]

but it's also blatantly obvious that they aren't "all there." Not "all there" means "not able to consent."

That's not necessarily true. It's easy to tell with some people and not as easy with others. I've been blackout drunk and had people tell me the next day that they didn't realize I was intoxicated at the time.

There's also the fact that the football player may have been equally drunk and unable to realize she was so far gone she had no idea what was going on.

 

[volgrad500]

In her own words, she got so drunk she doesn't remember what happened. She doesn't know if she said no. She doesn't know if she jumped his bones. She was so drunk she doesn't even know if she was raped.

In your own words you have described the crime of rape in TN. If a person knows or should have known that the other person is too impaired to give consent, whether they are a man or woman, it is rape. Period.

You may not like the law, but that is what the law in TN says.

 

[OrangeSquid]

I used to agree with this sentiment, not anymore.
I think Butch has to take the stance that there is zero tolerance of even a 'whiff' (as someone said earlier). If you get reported, you are indefinitely on the sidelines.
Is that fair? I don't know, it would certainly be a higher standard.But what it would do is put all of the burden on the players to be extremely cognizant of where/how/why/when they party and to make sure all of their bases are covered. I see absolutely no downside to that at all.

If I understand this correctly; (hypothetical) Player A takes the burden of changing his lifestyle or follows his normal "bases are covered" lifestyle, doesn't do anything, then is accused and reported, they would be on the sidelines indefinitely, while they must prove a negative? That sounds like a higher standard that I wouldn't want to live under. The burden of proof for an accusation/report needs to be higher and needs some level of substantiation to be forwarded to an indefinite sidelining/suspension. We hear "How would you feel if this was your Daughter?" all the time. IF the accusation is false, one might also ask, "How would you feel if this was your son?" I don't know diddly about this case and have no horse in the race, but; I am never in a hurry to throw some sort of punishment out just to appear above board. JMO

 

[MFL]

In this case there is evidence.

so it's ok without evidence

 

[wildnkrazykat]

No I'm not blaming her or focusing just on that. I'm choosing to view the situation from all angles. If she was raped then he needs to be thrown in jail. The only way that happens is if she goes to the police.

The other side is she was naive, went to her first college party, got drunk and lost her virginity in an unceremonious way. The next day she feels like she was taken advantage of so she tells her friends and family that he assaulted her and hence her reluctance to involve the police.

The fact is no one knows what happened and the only way to even get remotely close to the truth is involving the police which according to the article she is unwilling to do. Has nothing to do with blaming the victim, just a statement of fact.

Wow

 

[wmcovol]

Different set of standards. I'm not saying it's right, it's just that way....

Agree there is a double standard. Women enjoy it when that standard puts them on the pedestal but don't want the responsibility that comes with it.

I've now read the story and it appears the classic "he said, she said". Unfortunately for the girl and the hanging mob here the only witnesses appeared to say she didn't appear drunk when they left and she did go to his room. Now, you're going to ruin this guys life, regardless if he's a HEISMAN winner or a flute player, based on her testimony over two other witnesses? Where were her friends?

I think I know why she didn't want an investigation. That would involve phone records, reports, video surveillance, more witnesses, etc. It's strange that all they want is him off the team? Will that make her happy, healthy? Sounds like someone with regret that others know about her.

This isn't a Vandy thing as bad as the Tennessean wants it to be. This girl appeared to be able to walk in his room willingly. Does that legitimize rape? No but it makes it a lot more difficult to prove especially waiting two days to report. It sure doesn't merit prosecution for rape either.

 

[crusse10]

If you really want to know why this girl PROBABLY just went through the school on this, it's because it goes much more quickly and doesn't become front page news. It doesn't become a thread on VolNation. The player is dismissed from the team for unstated reasons. It isn't putting him in jail, but it's moving him away from her so that she can move on with her life while he receives some form of punishment.

And most of all, thousands of dickheads on the internet don't run her through the mud for going attacking the football player they like. They don't look for ways that she could have handled this better. They don't call her out for drinking excessively. They don't say that it's partially her fault because she didn't know her tolerance.

I feel like everyone arguing that she could be wrong is incapable of ever truly believing that she isn't wrong without seeing a video of the non-consent. Same goes for the AJ case.

If fewer people immediately attacked the credibility of the person making the claims, victims as a whole would be more likely to come forward.

 

[austin_vol]

Any thoughts on who it might be?

 

[crusse10]

If I understand this correctly; (hypothetical) Player A takes the burden of changing his lifestyle or follows his normal "bases are covered" lifestyle, doesn't do anything, then is accused and reported, they would be on the sidelines indefinitely, while they must prove a negative? That sounds like a higher standard that I wouldn't want to live under. The burden of proof for an accusation/report needs to be higher and needs some level of substantiation to be forwarded to an indefinite sidelining/suspension. We hear "How would you feel if this was your Daughter?" all the time. IF the accusation is false, one might also ask, "How would you feel if this was your son?" I don't know diddly about this case and have no horse in the race, but; I am never in a hurry to throw some sort of punishment out just to appear above board. JMO

guess we can thank Hypothetical Player A's contemporaries for raping girls at such an alarming clip that we now need to be swift with the precautionary benching

 

[Aesius]

Any thoughts on who it might be?

No need to go there.

 

[wildnkrazykat]

Any thoughts on who it might be?

A grade A *******, that's who

 

[etsuvol13]

In your own words you have described the crime of rape in TN. If a person knows or should have known that the other person is too impaired to give consent, whether they are a man or woman, it is rape. Period.

You may not like the law, but that is what the law in TN says.

I think this would be the best comment in the thread, if you had a reference.