Another reported assault

Can we keep VOL Nation about the football team and less about political ramblings? Go find a FOX news blog (and a copy of Strunk and White) for that...geez.

I presume that was directed towards my post.

First, I assumed that most who follow collegiate athletics would recognize the fact that TITLE IX based dictates to Universities by the Federal office responsible for enforcement of that act will inherently have a major impact on collegiate athletics. The current 'rape hysteria' on college campuses is due to a 2010 dear colleague memo outlining a laundry list of new demands Universities were told to follow in order to avoid an investigation that could result in losing federal $. Among those mandates micromanaging the student disciplinary processes related to sexual assault, are demands that Universities offer alleged victims the ability to demand a no contact order in certain circumstances as soon as the complaint is made (which means to effectively bar the accused student from campus based solely on the word of the accuser).

Assume for a moment that Dobbs was suspended the Thursday prior to last years SC game, but a handful of people may have known it was coming on Tuesday or Wednesday? Could they have possibly made a ton of $ in such a scenario? Are there groups of people who would pay a few thousand dollars to a female student to falsely accuse Dobbs of a sexual assault, demand the no contact order be implemented, just after a bunch of $ in Vegas was dumped on the Cocks? But no, this kangaroo 'guilty until proven innocent' sexual assault adjudication process has no effect on VOL football and is purely political according to you.

Or another example. Girl who is 'seeing' an all american player everyone knows is destined to be a first round draft pick. Girl upon being dumped just prior to said players final season decides that she doesn't want to forfeit the rich lifestyle she had envisioned, and accordingly offers said player two options: pay me or I'll claim rape, get you suspended, and the NFL won't touch you until at least the last day of the draft. Prior to 2011, UT had an adjudication process that would have likely prevented her from pulling such a scheme off. Under the current system thanks to the federal mandate, the player is likely going to be dealing with one question, where do I get this $. Turns out, the girlfriend the whole time was being paid under the table by an agents runner to set up just this sort of scenario-now the agent comes in to play 'problem solver' as planned all along. Two years down the road yahoo sports breaks story of our star player from a championship team signing with an agent during the middle of the season.

Nope, no effect on Vol football at all. While I know these are hypothetical, they are just two examples of a myriad of ways that this mandate can be exploited by the nefarious profiteers who target big time college athletes for profit.

Finally, I'm not really interested in taking advice from someone who is in no position to offer it, especially with such unwarranted amounts of condescension. If you have your own copy of Strunk and White I would be more than happy to offer you some advice on where you can place it, but considering the way you drew conclusions on my last post I don't want some poor donkey running around your town with a book in it's colon.
 
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Just compare incarceration rates now with those in say 1950.
It was by force then. Woman had to show she fought back. In the 1960's it was changed to her will and I assume tapped out entry made it rape also. It's very simple know who your humping and moderate your alcohol. As far as incarceration it's very low now in some areas.
 
Going through the school would result in him being removed from UT. She basically said that all she wanted was him gone.

And apparently the school found that he did nothing wrong, should he have been kicked out of school over allegations?
 
Months ago I read somewhere that the process within the school is much less intensive for the victim. There isn't as much poking and prodding and start-to-finish is a much shorter timeline. From the sound of it, she just wanted everything finished and him out of her life. It doesn't seem like she cared that he was in prison as long as he wasn't affecting her life anymore.

So? It was investigated and no wrongdoing was found. Should they guy still be punished because that's what the girl wants?
 
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And apparently the school found that he did nothing wrong, should he have been kicked out of school over allegations?

Yeah he thinks he should be sent home cause that's what she wants. And if she wants the state to fire up Ole Sparky, that too if that's what she wants. It's all about her. Regardless that she has no evidence that a rape took place over a chick regretting her friends found out she hooked up with someone after a party.
 
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The minute any person, male or female, runs to a collegiate institution to report a criminal act by student(s) on athletic scholarship, they should be immediately hustled to local law enforcement and however the investigation goes it goes. If a student athlete is prosecuted, of course, they should be suspended pending outcome of their trial. BUT anyone with an axe to grind making unsubstantiated charges showing up on a college administrators door resulting in a student athlete being suspended needs to stop. It matters not the charges or the sexes of the people supposedly involved.
 
Yes, but perjury is a joke. When is the last time you heard of somebody going to jail for that. Honestly, we should take that crime out of the books.

Lil' Kim and Mark Fuhrman.

It's possible that it might be as likely to be abused by the legal system rather than actually deterring behavior though. I've seen people blatantly lie under oath, but it's too difficult to do anything about it.
 
Yes, but perjury is a joke. When is the last time you heard of somebody going to jail for that. Honestly, we should take that crime out of the books.

I almost agree. I was in a civil suit a couple of yrs ago and the defendants lied repeatedly in their testimony. Fortunately, my attorney was able to destroy their credibility and prove them as liars. None were charged although the worse one got punitive damages applied to him because of his lowlife lying ways. Unfortunately it caused a 3 day trial to last 5 full days!
 
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I almost agree. I was in a civil suit a couple of yrs ago and the defendants lied repeatedly in their testimony. Fortunately, my attorney was able to destroy their credit ability and prove them as liars. None were charged although the worse one got punitive damages applied to him because of his lowlife lying ways. Unfortunately it caused a 3 day trial to last 5 full days!

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Did you actually read the article?

The woman said she had whose to file a complaint only with the university and not police to spare her the ordeal of a more public investigation and in the hopes her alleged assailant would face some form of punishment short of criminal charges.

So she just wanted him kicked off the team? She was either assaulted or she wasn't. If she was and was actually bleeding, she should have gone to the cops. I read the article and found it at a minimum, puzzling. I agree with the agenda and at this point don't believe the alleged assault wasn't a case of OMG did I do that syndrome.
 
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Two things- you said the reporter didn't ask the question, and it clearly states it right in the article, so "standing by your statement" really means you won't admit it when you are wrong.
Secondly, as someone who started their career as a prosecutor, this woman's reaction is very, VERY typical. Victims often don't want anyone to know that anything happened at all. Imagine how that is magnified if the person you are accusing is a high profile athlete that many on campus (and websites) will rally to their defense.

That's what daddy is for. It's amazingly transparent that you were a prosecutor.
 
While great for TV, SVU has made people react to what a victim "should have done" the complete wrong way. What a victim SHOULD DO is exactly what they want, and nothing more. If a victim wants to go to the police, then the victim will go to the police. Stop telling rape victims what they should do.

Then when they get a finding they don't like they need to get over it and move on. It sounds like this girl is damaged goods. If this affected her as badly as is portrayed, she should have gone to the cops.
 
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So she just wanted him kicked off the team? She was either assaulted or she wasn't. If she was and was actually bleeding, she should have gone to the cops. I read the article and found it at a minimum, puzzling. I agree with the agenda and at this point don't believe the alleged assault wasn't a case of OMG did I do that syndrome.

To add to your point:

spare her the ordeal of a more public investigation

yet she runs to the largest, most public media forum in the state?
 
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I have been away for a few days, has anyone mentioned the fact that she knowingly got wasted? There is absolutely no way to hide completely the taste of alcohol. She was an underaged freshman knowingly drinking to the point of extreme intoxication, knew the guy from home, and was reportedly flirting with him. This still stacks up to a classic "OMG I was naughty and got caught so I am going to cry assault (not rape)" story. Daddy is involved and can't believe his angel would do this. This story smells.
 
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If a man's name can be publicized for being accused of rape, why can't the accusers name be published? The male is going to be ripped to shreds whether it's true or not. If it's not true the female's name will be swept under the rug most of the time. Either both names released or none until proven guilty. I agree there is a feminist agenda out. Someone has to be a male victims voice.

So the victim can be victimized further? How about keeping them anonymous until the charges or proven false?

If your sister or mom was raped, how would you want them treated in the public and media?
 
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I have been away for a few days, has anyone mentioned the fact that she knowingly got wasted? There is absolutely no way to hide completely the taste of alcohol. She was an underaged freshman knowingly drinking to the point of extreme intoxication, knew the guy from home, and was reportedly flirting with him. This still stacks up to a classic "OMG I was naughty and got caught so I am going to cry assault (not rape)" story. Daddy is involved and can't believe his angel would do this. This story smells.

That's all speculation. It isn't unreasonable to theorize that that's what happened though.
 
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I have been away for a few days, has anyone mentioned the fact that she knowingly got wasted? There is absolutely no way to hide completely the taste of alcohol. She was an underaged freshman knowingly drinking to the point of extreme intoxication, knew the guy from home, and was reportedly flirting with him. This still stacks up to a classic "OMG I was naughty and got caught so I am going to cry assault (not rape)" story. Daddy is involved and can't believe his angel would do this. This story smells.
Daddy should be concerned that after this incident, she attends a frat party.
 
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