Another Government Shutdown Thread

#902
#902
MontyPython said:
The truth is blatantly obvious to anybody with two eyes. Donald Trump hates obamacare. Privileged Republicans also hate the fact that we have a socialist program that allows people to have basic health care.

The current shutdown exists virtually solely because the Republicans are trying to kneecap obamacare. You know it's true. I know it's true. Unless you are just trying to deny reality.

You may not like Obamacare but I do and the majority of Americans do. Sadly for you, in our Democratic Republic majority rules. So I'm happy that the Democrats are going to force Trump in the rest of his goons to fund obamacare.
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more like:

1. we hate that is was voted on in secret, "we have to vote for it to know whats in it". imagine trump doing that and how you would feel.
2. Obama signed it into law without knowing what was in it. talk about the most dangerous precedence one could set.
3. pretty much every single bit of it was a lie. it didn't help costs, it didn't put every american on insurance, you didn't keep your doctors, the platform took years longer to work.
4. it killed competition.
5. it removed cheap insurance plans
6. it increased costs for individuals with it

if you can tell me how it helped a 26 year old male making 32k a year when my costs went up 3x just so my OBGYN visits and mammograms were covered I would love to hear it.

the bolded is a freaking big lie, and a good representation of why ACA didn't actually fix anything.
 
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#903
FLVOL_79 said:
Grok is the MAGA voice of God in the burning bush. But this time I'm sure Grok is wrong. Did you put a caveat in the command line request that you hate Obama?
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Sometimes King Grok is sassy.

Just because.
 
#904
#904
LouderVol said:
more like:

1. we hate that is was voted on in secret, "we have to vote for it to know whats in it". imagine trump doing that and how you would feel.
2. Obama signed it into law without knowing what was in it. talk about the most dangerous precedence one could set.
3. pretty much every single bit of it was a lie. it didn't help costs, it didn't put every american on insurance, you didn't keep your doctors, the platform took years longer to work.
4. it killed competition.
5. it removed cheap insurance plans
6. it increased costs for individuals with it

if you can tell me how it helped a 26 year old male making 32k a year when my costs went up 3x just so my OBGYN visits and mammograms were covered I would love to hear it.

the bolded is a freaking big lie, and a good representation of why ACA didn't actually fix anything.
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Number 2 was Biden's whole admin, and we notoriously struggled so... that checks out
 
#905
#905
MontyPython said:
So then... The solution is TO FUND THE ACA until we have a better solution.

Agreed?
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Temporary emergencies should not justify permanent entitlements. The enhanced COVID-19 subsidies were enacted as a pandemic relief measure, not as a structural expansion of the Affordable Care Act. Congress should resist the natural inclination to let temporary crises permanently expand the size and scope of government. As Cato’s Dominik Lett documents, Congress has spent at least $15 trillion through “emergency designations” since 1991, repeatedly using crises as justification for new outlays. Lawmakers rightly allowed many other COVID-era subsidies to expire with little disruption, such as the enhanced Child Tax Credit and Earned Income Tax Credit. Letting the expanded COVID-19 premium tax credits expire as scheduled would similarly curb the cycle of crisis-driven spending and restore a measure of fiscal discipline.
 
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LouderVol said:
more like:

1. we hate that is was voted on in secret, "we have to vote for it to know whats in it". imagine trump doing that and how you would feel.
2. Obama signed it into law without knowing what was in it. talk about the most dangerous precedence one could set.
3. pretty much every single bit of it was a lie. it didn't help costs, it didn't put every american on insurance, you didn't keep your doctors, the platform took years longer to work.
4. it killed competition.
5. it removed cheap insurance plans
6. it increased costs for individuals with it

if you can tell me how it helped a 26 year old male making 32k a year when my costs went up 3x just so my OBGYN visits and mammograms were covered I would love to hear it.

the bolded is a freaking big lie, and a good representation of why ACA didn't actually fix anything.
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OK. What is a solution that's better than ACA?
 
#907
#907
theFallGuy said:
Temporary emergencies should not justify permanent entitlements. The enhanced COVID-19 subsidies were enacted as a pandemic relief measure, not as a structural expansion of the Affordable Care Act. Congress should resist the natural inclination to let temporary crises permanently expand the size and scope of government. As Cato’s Dominik Lett documents, Congress has spent at least $15 trillion through “emergency designations” since 1991, repeatedly using crises as justification for new outlays. Lawmakers rightly allowed many other COVID-era subsidies to expire with little disruption, such as the enhanced Child Tax Credit and Earned Income Tax Credit. Letting the expanded COVID-19 premium tax credits expire as scheduled would similarly curb the cycle of crisis-driven spending and restore a measure of fiscal discipline.
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I've got a digress here.

When you say "temporary emergencies" shouldn't result in government action, would that also apply to permanent tariffs?

Otherwise, I think I agree.
 
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Isnt this just about covid related expansion and not Obamacare itself?

I dont think the dems can force trump et al to do anything here. If anything trump ends vxx the filibuster and the dems become completely powerless to prevent anything trump wants to do leading up to the mid terms next year. I'd back off and regroup, lose the fight to win the war.

Hopefully people will question whether it's entirely a coincidence that trump seems to have become our dictator if it plays out that way. The forces of darkness are out to get us and this is how they're doing it.
 
#909
#909
MontyPython said:
OK. What is a solution that's better than ACA?
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government supplied "catastrophic" plans that only covered loss of life or limb. funded off extra taxes on anything with added corn syrup, caffeine, alcohol, tobacco, and various other long term drivers of American obesity.

otherwise remove government involvement. allow providers to sell across state lines, never implement an individual mandate. push HSAs, make insurance plans payments fully tax deductible ( @hog88 ).

put the government focus on creating strategies similar to the anti-smoking campaigns, but just on the lifestyle that creates an America than needs to spend the most in the world on health insurance.

healthier Americans would drastically decrease costs everyone sees, and also actually provide a better quality of life for all involved.
 
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LouderVol said:
put the government focus on creating strategies similar to the anti-smoking campaigns, but just on the lifestyle that creates an America than needs to spend the most in the world on health insurance.

healthier Americans would drastically decrease costs everyone sees, and also actually provide a better quality of life for all involved.
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But I want my Oreos and Fanta for breakfast
 
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#911
#911
FLVOL_79 said:
Trump initiated the copper to fiber swap then fumbled the ball. Then he blamed Gay Pete for it, while showing he has zero understanding of what copper to fiber (glass) means.

What about efficient routes are you asking about?
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That's a user thing not a government thing. I'll bet if you ask 100 airlines, 100 of them will say they don't GAF what's efficient for the government, but they do want what saves THEM fuel.
 
#915
#915
MontyPython said:
Mkay. So I gather from our conversations that you're a small business owner. I'm a small business owner. Trying to get an individual plan for healthcare is ungodly expensive and these guys often look for pre-existing conditions as a disqualifier.

So what do you do? Do you have ACA plan? Do you have some sort of employee plan? Medicare? Medicaid?
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We provide health insurance for all of our employees, if the employee elects the high deductible plan we pay 100% and up to x dollars towards family coverage (about 60% of the cost depending on # of dependents). We also contribute to their HSA. For CDL holders we pay 100% for them and their family coverage. If the employee elects a traditional plan we pay up to what the HD plan costs for them and their family coverage.

I've posted my ideas on health insurance several times.

1. Remove the ability for employers to deduct health insurance cost from their taxes
2. Allow the individual to to deduct 100% of their health insurance premiums from their taxes
3. Continue to allow employers to contribute to individual HSAs
4. It would be up to the individual to buy their insurance on the open market
5. Pass a federal law allowing insurance to be sold across state lines

IMO that would put the user more in touch with their costs, it would make health insurance portable freeing people up to change jobs without losing coverage. It would take a tremendous amount of headache away from the employer and with the removal of HI from the benefit package it would force them to find other enticements for talent.
 
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#921
#921
LouderVol said:
its cute when people believe the naming of something actually matters to the quality of it.
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I like the PR aspect because ambiguous terms are used because those words mean different things to different people and never need to be quantified.
 
#923
#923
hog88 said:
We provide health insurance for all of our employees, if the employee elects the high deductible plan we pay 100% and up to x dollars towards family coverage (about 60% of the cost depending on # of dependents). We also contribute to their HSA. For CDL holders we pay 100% for them and their family coverage. If the employee elects a traditional plan we pay up to what the HD plan costs for them and their family coverage.

I've posted my ideas on health insurance several times.

1. Remove the ability for employers to deduct health insurance cost from their taxes
2. Allow the individual to to deduct 100% of their health insurance premiums from their taxes
3. Continue to allow employers to contribute to individual HSAs
4. It would be up to the individual to buy their insurance on the open market
5. Pass a federal law allowing insurance to be sold across state lines

IMO that would put the user more in touch with their costs, it would make health insurance portable freeing people up to change jobs without losing coverage. It would take a tremendous amount of headache away from the employer and with the removal of HI from the benefit package it would force them to find other enticements for talent.
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I bought my own health insurance through Farm Bureau for years. The cost sky rocketed after the so called "Affordable Care Act" was signed into law. What a damn joke.
 
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#924
#924

Judge Orders Trump Administration to Fully Fund Food Stamps This Month​


A federal judge ordered the Trump administration on Thursday to fund food stamps in full for roughly 42 million low-income Americans, after admonishing the government for delaying aid under the nation’s largest anti-hunger program during the shutdown.

The order, issued by Judge John J. McConnell Jr. of the U.S. District Court for the District of Rhode Island, marked his second legal rebuke of the administration for actions that threatened to leave millions of Americans at risk of financial hardship.

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#925
#925
Franklin Pierce said:

Judge Orders Trump Administration to Fully Fund Food Stamps This Month​


A federal judge ordered the Trump administration on Thursday to fund food stamps in full for roughly 42 million low-income Americans, after admonishing the government for delaying aid under the nation’s largest anti-hunger program during the shutdown.

The order, issued by Judge John J. McConnell Jr. of the U.S. District Court for the District of Rhode Island, marked his second legal rebuke of the administration for actions that threatened to leave millions of Americans at risk of financial hardship.

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Let me guess the response.
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