And the decommitments start

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BeardedVol said:
None. I know of no recruit who has publicly stated that they decommitted from or refused to entertain playing for UT because of fan sentiment towards the HC.

Feel free to provide the name(s) of the recruit(s) you know of, who have chosen not to play for Tennessee because of fan sentiment towards the HC, since you are on record saying that it has previously occurred.
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You answer me. True or false: message board posts have no influence on recruits or players--You're getting to be a broken record. Did you not read my last response. I want you to name names of players who said they weren't influenced at all by message boards. You say you want me to name names of players who stated that they were influenced by message boards. you're going around in circles man and dragging me with you. This is Friday night of Thanksgiving weekend. A lot of people are drinking and smoking. Are you one of them? You can't prove that recruits are not influenced by message boards. Here we go again--name names. You can't . I can but won't call him out or his mother either. His mother said that all the players and recruits read the board and were influenced by posts on here. Come on man . Common sense ought to tell you that message boards impact recruits and players
 
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Cormock Mac said:
You answer me. True or false: message board posts have no influence on recruits or players--You're getting to be a broken record. Did you not read my last response. I want you to name names of players who said they weren't influenced at all by message boards. You say you want me to name names of players who stated that they were influenced by message boards. you're going around in circles man and dragging me with you. This is Friday night of Thanksgiving weekend. A lot of people are drinking and smoking. Are you one of them? You can't prove that recruits are not influenced by message boards. Here we go again--name names. You can't . I can but won't call him out or his mother either. His mother said that all the players and recruits read the board and were influenced by posts on here. Come on man . Common sense ought to tell you that message boards impact recruits and players
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I know of no recruit who has stated that the message board content of Volnation, or any other fan message board content critical of a coach, was a primary or contributing factor toward them decommitting or not committing to UT. You on the other hand have said otherwise:
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The lynch mob can definitely kill a coach's ability to recruit. It's may be happening to Tennessee now and has happened previously.
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So again, the burden of proof is on you, to name a recruit, who didn't commit, or decommitted from UT, because of negative fan sentiment towards a head coach, which you have stated, has already happened.

Name one recruit who didn't come to UT because a fan said something bad about Fulmer on a social media.
Name one recruit who didn't come to UT because a fan said something bad about Dooley on a social media.
Name one recruit who didn't come to UT because a fan said something bad about Butch on a social media.
Name one recruit who didn't come to UT because a fan said something bad about Pruitt on a social media.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Yes, recruits read message boards (although they are more likely to be impacted via more 21st century forms of social media); however, I can unequivocally state with 1000% confidence that multiple programs are negatively recruiting against us for 21 and 22 recruits. You can believe what you want as to what I am stating but even those on here who disagree with me know I'm not the type to throw crazy sh-t up against a wall and hope it sticks.

Recruits are not stupid. They know the lifespan for an inexperienced head coach that goes 3-7 (or worse) when coming into a season with a 13-12 record and a handful of embarrasing losses is not long. In most cases, that gets a coach terminated at a school like UT, UF, Bama, UGA, etc. Recruits know the only reason Jeremy Pruitt will likely be employed in 2021 is because of the financial issues related to COVID. They don't need me to tell them that. They have Kirby Smart, Nick Saban, Dan Mullen, Dabo Swinney telling them that...
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I'll agree that other coaches do negative recruiting. I've read many of your posts and agree that you are not one to throw crazy sh-t against the wall like many on here do. Cmon though - I'd like you to answer me one true or false question that I just posed to another board poster: Message boards have absolutely no impact on recruits or players? True or False. You know the answer to that I hope. Now you would be correct to challenge that by stating that it's impossible to measure objectively how much. I can't answer that except by giving my opinion., and you can't answer other that to give your opinion. I think message boards, particularly when they are overloaded with naysayers have a great impact. I think that they may have an even greater impact on current roster player than recruits. They are already on campus and more exposed to local boards and other media. Many players can and do quickly lose respect for their coaches given that atmosphere. I know players are not stupid , but they are young and susceptible to board postings that can unfair and/or totally ignorant. I'm still of the opinion that Pruitt should be given another yr. 1. He'll more than likely be here anyway. 2. Bailey will likely be our quarterback next yr. Let's see what happens with him behind center. 3.This is a throwaway yr anyway, with crazy outcomes that may mask what's really going on with a program(I can't believe Penn State and Franklin are that bad)4. Continuity 5. If we don't see great improvement next yr, move on without him, although I think his star is fading fast due to a too early savaging of him. 6. Who we gonna get to replace him. Even though I'm getting old and don't get to listen to coaches talk as I once did(My brother in law still coaches high school ball), many coaches consider Tennessee to have a very toxic environment and tend to shy away. I know that if a coach came in here and started winning immediately that the fans would probably annoint him king, but how likely is that early winning to happen? The internet can result in a little too much democracy. If a coach doesn't win quickly, the lynch mobs on the internet form quickly. I don't know if P{ruitt is the answer, Maybe likely he isn't, but we got to try him one more yr . Happy Thanksgiving
 
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Cormock Mac said:
I'll agree that other coaches do negative recruiting. I've read many of your posts and agree that you are not one to throw crazy sh-t against the wall like many on here do. Cmon though - I'd like you to answer me one true or false question that I just posed to another board poster: Message boards have absolutely no impact on recruits or players? True or False. You know the answer to that I hope. Now you would be correct to challenge that by stating that it's impossible to measure objectively how much. I can't answer that except by giving my opinion., and you can't answer other that to give your opinion. I think message boards, particularly when they are overloaded with naysayers have a great impact. I think that they may have an even greater impact on current roster player than recruits. They are already on campus and more exposed to local boards and other media. Many players can and do quickly lose respect for their coaches given that atmosphere. I know players are not stupid , but they are young and susceptible to board postings and that are unfair and/or totally ignorant. I'm still of the opinion that Pruitt should be given another yr. 1. He'll more than likely be here anyway. 2. Bailey will likely be our quarterback next yr. Let's see what happens with him behind center. 3.This is a throwaway yr anyway, with crazy outcomes that may mask what's really going on with a program(I can't believe Penn State and Franklin are that bad)4. Continuity 5. If we don't see great improvement next yr, move on without him, although I think his star is fading fast due to a too early savaging of him. 6. Who we gonna get to replace him. Even though I'm getting old and don't get to listen to coaches talk as I once did(My brother in law still coaches high school ball), many coaches consider Tennessee to have a very toxic environment and tend to shy away. I know that if a coach came in here and started winning immediately that the fans would probably annoint him king, but how likely is that early winning to happen? The internet can result in a little too much democracy. If a coach doesn't win quickly, the lynch mobs on the internet form quickly. I don't know if P{ruitt is the answer, Maybe likely he isn't, but we got to try him one more yr . Happy Thanksgiving
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In this circumstance, message boards will have little to no impact. I know it's not the answer you want. The record and performance is that bad and Pruitt will likely get a Y4 only for budgetary reasons. If we get to 4-6 or 5-5, I might re-evaluate answer though.

After 2016, I think some of the fan disgust towards Butch might have had some impact since the record didnt indicate hot seat but the fan disgust did. I think message boards likely had more impact on recruiting then than now. You could look at the quality of that class and realize Butch had issues.

The reason why the fans are impatient is we havent hired a proven HC in over 40 years. Far less likely to give benefit of doubt to guy that hasnt proven himself.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
In this circumstance, message boards will have little to no impact. I know it's not the answer you want. The record and performance is that bad and Pruitt will likely get a Y4 only for budgetary reasons. If we get to 4-6 or 5-5, I might re-evaluate answer though.

After 2016, I think some of the fan disgust towards Butch might have had some impact since the record didnt indicate hot seat but the fan disgust did. I think message boards likely had more impact on recruiting then than now. You could look at the quality of that class and realize Butch had issues.

The reason why the fans are impatient is we havent hired a proven HC in over 40 years. Far less likely to give benefit of doubt to guy that hasnt proven himself.
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I never thought about in that way but you may be right about boards being more a factor with Butch than Pruitt and I may be guilty of letting what happened there cloud my judgement regarding Pruitt. The last proven head coach we hired was probably johnny Majors. Doug Dickey was a successful coach before Johnny. He was successful here, but I can't remember what he was doing when we hired him and it's too late tonight to look it up. Seems like he might have been an assistant somewhere--maybe Arkansas. Bob Woodruff was the athletic director that hired him and i think hired Majors too. then Dickey was athletic director form mid 80's til 2002. 2002 may be a significant yr, seems as if tenn football began a downward slide about then. Dickey was maybe the golden age of Tennessee athletic directors. Tennesse became an athletic powerhouse in most every sport under his direction. i'm not much of a Fulmer fan. he came at the right place at the right time with his success coming on top on what Majors built. Another question--if PRuitt goes, does fulmer go too?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Coming on man, you know that doesn't matter. @Cormock Mac has told us, it's all about the fans and what we say about the coach that matters to the recruits.

WE. HAVE. THE. POWER.
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unfortunately that's true. Rational fans are the majority here, but unfortunately, you and yours are more vocal right now. you probably showed yourself prominently last yr when early in the season the mob wanted to fahr him. Every post you make helps prove my point.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Please, if we were serious about offering $7-8 million a year, we would have plenty of options. The reality is the AD and the president have tried to lowball every coaching seach, and as a result we've gotten crap coaches for crap salaries.

You put the world out that TN is willing to pay $7-8 million dollars, for a HC and another $7 millions for assistants, and we'll have more options than the Pruitts of CFB.
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Boy you've really analyzed the situation. You must have inside info. I'm impresssed
 
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orangemadam said:
Yes and many on this board will say "that's okay, I trust coach's evaluations and discovering underrated talent".

I for one am not impressed with JP and company recruiting talents.
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I totally agree with you. I've been thinking about his current recruiting and it's alarming. Year 3 you don't have a quarterback. You only have signed one good linebacker. Defensive line he hasn't signed one player capable of being a difference maker. The safeties he has signed seem lost in pass coverage. Now the corner backs is what's really concerning, in year three the two starting players never played the position in high school. Why is that alarming it means you're not signing star power at the position. You and your DC are supposed to be elite at coaching the position. We are signing players that would be scout team at the top four or five programs in the sec. On top of that it doesn't seem they are being developed or pushed to the limit of their talent.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Yes, recruits read message boards (although they are more likely to be impacted via more 21st century forms of social media); however, I can unequivocally state with 1000% confidence that multiple programs are negatively recruiting against us for 21 and 22 recruits. You can believe what you want as to what I am stating but even those on here who disagree with me know I'm not the type to throw crazy sh-t up against a wall and hope it sticks.

Recruits are not stupid. They know the lifespan for an inexperienced head coach that goes 3-7 (or worse) when coming into a season with a 13-12 record and a handful of embarrasing losses is not long. In most cases, that gets a coach terminated at a school like UT, UF, Bama, UGA, etc. Recruits know the only reason Jeremy Pruitt will likely be employed in 2021 is because of the financial issues related to COVID. They don't need me to tell them that. They have Kirby Smart, Nick Saban, Dan Mullen, Dabo Swinney telling them that...
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Very well said.
 
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Cormock Mac said:
Here it is. Proof of what i said about unfair condemnation of Butch. you think we're going to get a good coach to come here with the likes of this? Judge Butch by results on the field( he gave us the two best seasons we'd had in while til the likesof you destroyed the respect of his team and killed his recruiting), and not by some comments he made that didn't hurt anything. Bunch of grade school kids---nah, nah- nah -nah-ha ha -five star hearts. you'e a bad coach because you said five star hearts--nah nah nah nah nah. You're post is the essence of why good coaches don't want to come here.
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Ok boomer
 
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TnVol! said:
I have been a Vol fan since 1957. My dad was a Vol fan starting in the 1930s. I have never known a period of time where our Volunteers were this bad for this long. I'm older now and don't like wasting my time. If the administration at UT no longer cares about a winning program I would like to know.

If they are not its time for them to stop wasting everyone's time and all the money it takes to run a football program. I've always given Fulmer a pass because his being basically a hard working VFL, a fellow Tennessean, and his love for the university. But now, even he is disappointing. The paying customers have been screwed over for far too long.
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I am also afraid with crowds limited to 25,000 or so this year - will be what ya get once this virus mess is over in neyland due to our program's pitiful approach to football these days.
 
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Cormock Mac said:
The lynch mob can definitely kill a coach's ability to recruit. It's may be happening to Tennessee now and has happened previously. The mob empowered is perfectly capable of destroying a football program and blaming it on the coach. Most football fans wanted a season this yr and seemed to accept the fact that even if we had a season, it was pretty much a throw away season. There are strange outcomes to games everywhere where even good teams are having awful results(Penn State). I saw some good things happen against Auburn. The team didn't give up; they outplayed Auburn, but let five or six plays prevent a victory. They played hard for Pruitt. Remember that Pruitts classes are sophomores and freshmen. I don't know about Pruitt, but I believe in supporting him thru next yr(and I'm an old codger). I don't have that many yrs left and I'm willing to give more time since it looks like he's going to be here regardless. Some of you younger folks need to back off and relax. The internet greatly empowers the lynch mob and gives it more power than it should have. When what was a decent class is no longer, it will be due to the mob mentality more than anything else. I have seen the enemy and it's us.
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Huh? This class has been dropping every week since the season started.

This is a team that went from “let us play” to allowing the league to move our game to accommodate Vandy.
 
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Cormock Mac said:
You answer me. True or false: message board posts have no influence on recruits or players--You're getting to be a broken record. Did you not read my last response. I want you to name names of players who said they weren't influenced at all by message boards. You say you want me to name names of players who stated that they were influenced by message boards. you're going around in circles man and dragging me with you. This is Friday night of Thanksgiving weekend. A lot of people are drinking and smoking. Are you one of them? You can't prove that recruits are not influenced by message boards. Here we go again--name names. You can't . I can but won't call him out or his mother either. His mother said that all the players and recruits read the board and were influenced by posts on here. Come on man . Common sense ought to tell you that message boards impact recruits and players
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It’s not necessarily message boards like VN, but these younger guys are very influenced by media and social media alike, major National outlets, not necessarily VN.
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
It’s not necessarily message boards like VN, but these younger guys are very influenced by media and social media alike, major National outlets, not necessarily VN.
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You really believe recruits are more swayed by fans making fun of Pruitt's moronic responses in post-beat-down press conferences on Twitter, than they are the fact that Pruitt's teams are getting beat down week in and week out in year 3 by all levels of competition?
 
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tastycar said:
Not to nitpick, but he didn't mention coffee. Stick to arguing with one person so you can keep things straight.
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Yes he did. You just have a short attention span and didn't stay with the whole thread. Go back and read from the beginning before you embarrass yourself some more.
 
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