All this QB talk and the one forgotten..

[cHiZzLeVOL]

That’s funny because I’ve NEVER claimed him to be BETTER, just different. I never once said he’ll be the starter and in fact JG SHOULD start. If you’re referring to when I said that “if he gets on the field he’ll run away with the job” you’re making a fool of yourself because that EXACTLY what was happening if he hadn’t gotten injured. Try again buddy. Better yet if you can’t win a debate with me without lying, crawl back into your little hole.

Lol here are just some to show you are a BM homer. Also, all of these prove my point. You had so many posts defending bad play from Maurer I decided not to grab them all. On top of that you had tons of posts saying how much better BM was then all the other QBs lol. You are a joke.

Watch the spring game. That’s all we have at this level. BM was by far the most consistent despite the mistakes. Compare the spring game to his highlights and you’ll se no difference.

By watching JG play as well as BM. BM is better in nearly every qb category possible.

So let me get this straight. Are you saying, BY FACTUAL NUMBERS, That BM threw for more yards in 10 games than the GOAT himself did in 12?

Are you saying that WHILE throwing for more yards, he did it against competition from the the known #1 hotbed in the country (Florida)?

Are you saying that he leads this board despite having no o line to protect him while he did it?

Good thing this list didn’t include all purpose yards huh? Otherwise LittleVol and 1vol8 May look like they knew what they were talking about. Can’t have that.

Hell..... put me on quote, take a picture, have it notarized and send it the judge with a big ass 1vol8 signature. I’m saying BM is better. I’m also saying I chose to believe our Heisman Trophy winning qb coachs evaluation of BM over our defensive Coordinator HCs narrative of anyone not named JG.

Imagine that. What if that’s when Maurer gets his shot? Against his own hometown rival. Our nemesis. And he pulls out a victory.

All you can gather from that video is they all looked the same. Go figure. The only thing that seemed to jump off the page is the quick twitch and speed of Maurer vs the others.

I truly think he’s equally as scared for Maurer to touch the field as JG seems to be.

I can’t say I can predict the future but from seeing BM play behind that terrible o line in person throughout his Hs career I’m 98% sure he’s not as bad as JG. Will he show it in his first game? Who knows? But give him time to get comfortable and UT football looks entirely different.

Agreed but I’m not sure JP will give him another crack at it if he starts out rough. That’s all I’m saying. Bottom line I don’t trust that JP is being all that fair tbh.

BM doesn’t know those receivers. Hate to tell you HB stares down his receivers in an offense he already knows like the back of his hand if you really watch him. Very rarely does he come off of option 1 and frequently throws into dbl/triple coverage. In BMs defense It’s only natural to stare them down when you don’t know their tendencies or speed but I assure you that’s not a part of his game. In fact last year he had a game where 4 of his receivers had over 100 yards receiving. That’s the only time it’s ever been done in the state of Florida. So trust me.... he may do that for a while but it'll only last as long as it takes him to get to know the receivers.

I talked to him after the game and the only thing he complained about was a sore hip and the loss. Didn’t look concussed, confused or anything of the sort. Didn’t appear nauseated or have a blank stare. He seemed ok but I agree there’s no foul in being sure.

I was there and it really got me in my feels a bit. I’m possibly Maurers biggest fan but I’ve always liked JG and respect him for all he’s done. In my eyes he’s the living embodiment of a VFL.

You’ll feel differently when you're looking at another 6-6 or 7-5 season next year. In fact you SHOULD be looking at it that way NOW. Had Pruitt held a qb competition in the off season and ALLOWED BM to compete instead of publicly criticizing him there’s no doubt in my mind the game slows down for him by UF. The commentators were well aware of who the coaching staff thinks is the most talented qb and it wasn’t JG. I gotta be honest and tell you it was refreshing to hear the truth for once.

I think it’s a shame that you (a supposed fan of the team) can’t see what you got in comparison to JG. You’re blinded by stats. Well most are not. As bad as you say he was, it was a UK fan that took time out of his day a few months ago to join VN and post a thread of written concern and “fishing for info” leading up to the game, hoping we weren’t going to play Maurer and praying we were going to play JG instead. As a true freshman already striking fear into opposing fan bases it shows you’re not only in the minority on this board but possibly throughout the nation. It’s going to be a 3 way battle for the top spot. JG for his experience. Bm for his abilities overall and potential and HB for his hype. It would not shock me to see it any of these ways as a result.
1- JG
2- BM
3- HB
This is most likely given Pruitts track record
Or
1- BM
2- JG
3- HB
I can see this happening because if BM improves any it seems he may actually pass JG in terms of trust. Or
1- HB
2- BM
3- JG
If Pruitt decides to go HB over the others I think it’s a total youth movement AND HB is a total phenomenon. I think this is the least likely as HB will need time just as any other qb would.

I hate to be the one to give you the bad news but I happened to see Maurer standing right beside Bailey after the UGA game and they are the same build. Can barely even see the height difference.

 

[1vol8]

I'm more optimistic when it comes to HB.

Most are and rightfully so. But this all truthfully goes back to how much I trust the services to begin with.

 

[1vol8]

Lol here are just some to show you are a BM homer. Also, all of these prove my point. You had so many posts defending bad play from Maurer I decided not to grab them all. On top of that you had tons of posts saying how much better BM was then all the other QBs lol. You are a joke.

I strand corrected. Those were quotes from a while back but I guess I have expressed that I think BM is better than JG. I’ve backed off of posting comparisons since. Not that I’ve changed my mind but there are so many people bashing JG that I don’t like piling on. Bravo to you sir. However is it any different than you telling me that HB is better than BM before ever throwing a single pass?

 

[MemphisVol77]

The one forgotten is that Pruitt prefers a “safe” qb over an aggressive one. Its not about this qb vs that qb. It’s the reason JG was never challenged to begin with...... because “safe” is his preference and this is his team.

I think you found too much fault in Pruitt's decision to stick with JG last year.

I never thought his commitment and votes of confidence to JG as a slight or unfair to BM throughout 2019's spring & fall camp.

That said, you were right about BM's upside and I think Pruitt handled it as well as he could as the season progressed.

I suspect that if you're right, its because pruitt wasn't comfortable yet with how well the team could perform, so he wanted to play it safe. If that's the case, as the team makes progress he will take more chances.

Exactly.
2018's defense was mediocre and didn't create many turnovers. The defense hadn't objectively proved they could make the difference and win close games for us. We had to start an entire new DL and true freshman LB's going into 2019 on top of 2018's shortcomings.

With our defense having not objectively shown improvement, our OL not settled & starting two true freshman OT's last year, Pruitt had little choice but to go with the safe bet in JG; who does excel in not turning the ball over.

The one forgotten is that Pruitt prefers a “safe” qb over an aggressive one.

I don't think it's quite fair to put that shoe on Pruitt yet, considering the state of the 2018 team he inherited & what I just described about 2019.

He did give Shrout a chance when BM was hurt & started BM as soon as he was healthy against Kentucly.

Lets not conflate "aggressive" with "mistakes". He's definately more willing to trust a "safe QB" through his mistakes but if he were happy with "safe", Shrout wouldn't have gotten a shot & BM wouldn't have gotten another chance to start VS Kentucky.

Like I've said tho, Maurer will not be at UT by next season.

I think Maurer has the ability to one day be a good QB with the right team and the right coach but it won't be here.

I hope HB is that good......, but we've been let down before.

Dobbs 2013
5 games (4 started)
72-of-121 passes for 695 yards with two touchdowns and six interceptions and also rushed for 189 yards and a touchdown in his true freshman season

Brian Maurer 2019
6 games (4 started)
31-74 passes for 524 yards with 2 touchdowns and 5 interceptions and also rushed 22 times for 48 yards with 2 TD's so far in his true freshman season.

I know Dobbs & BM are different style QB's but call it the 'It Factor', 'Spark', or 'Moxie'...... BM flashed it last year just like Dobbs did in 2013. I can see this year playing out like the 2014 season did with Worley, Dobbs, & Peterman. Not saying BM will play to Dobbs level but I don't think it's unreasonable to think he can have a better career than JG has.

Hasn't Pruitt said, unlike last offseason, that QB will be an open competition throughout spring & fall camp?

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Your the 3rd person I've seen here emphatically say this. So I'll reply to you.

The guy made plenty of plays at MD before being injured. What is it precisely that make so many ignore him or outright say he doesn't have a shot w/o dramatic attrition? Pruitt obviously recruited him and is actively interested in DT quarterbacks. Honest question.

Pruitt didn't recruit him, he showed up and asked to walk on. It's doubtful a non-scholarship player is going to be the starting QB.

 

[KarnsTownVol]

The one forgotten is that Pruitt prefers a “safe” qb over an aggressive one. Its not about this qb vs that qb. It’s the reason JG was never challenged to begin with...... because “safe” is his preference and this is his team.

I think our depth on defense played in to that. He knew we had to protect the defense. Putting them in bad positions and keeping them on the field would not have played out well. Solid unit in the one deep but after that we had a big talent drop off.

 

[livefaith]

Pruitt didn't recruit him, he showed up and asked to walk on. It's doubtful a non-scholarship player is going to be the starting QB.

Well dang, if that's all you have to do then I might do it. JK. Is he a preferred walk-on? I thot he was scholly.

 

[TnVolfanatic]

You all are sleeping on Kasim Hill. I read about JG, Mauer, Bailey all day, but not Kasim. Why not?
He had a solid freshman year at Maryland before transferring and he will be under what I hope to be better coaching. I think he has a real chance of starting next year.

Anyone who has watched Bailey throw the ball can't deny. This kid has the potential and the talent to compete for the Heisman. He will have take over the qb position by mid year. And the rest will be history! Provided that he doesn't get hurt. Other than an HB injury, Hill never sees the field unless its a blowout.

 

[EZE]

The one forgotten is that Pruitt prefers a “safe” qb over an aggressive one. Its not about this qb vs that qb. It’s the reason JG was never challenged to begin with...... because “safe” is his preference and this is his team.

I don’t buy this at all. I think any coach prefers the “best” option to win the game. Pruitt included.

 

[1vol8]

I think you found too much fault in Pruitt's decision to stick with JG last year.

I never thought his commitment and votes of confidence to JG as a slight or unfair to BM throughout 2019's spring & fall camp.

That said, you were right about BM's upside and I think Pruitt handled it as well as he could as the season progressed.

Exactly.
2018's defense was mediocre and didn't create many turnovers. The defense hadn't objectively proved they could make the difference and win close games for us. We had to start an entire new DL and true freshman LB's going into 2019 on top of 2018's shortcomings.

With our defense having not objectively shown improvement, our OL not settled & starting two true freshman OT's last year, Pruitt had little choice but to go with the safe bet in JG; who does excel in not turning the ball over.

I don't think it's quite fair to put that shoe on Pruitt yet, considering the state of the 2018 team he inherited & what I just described about 2019.

He did give Shrout a chance when BM was hurt & started BM as soon as he was healthy against Kentucly.

Lets not conflate "aggressive" with "mistakes". He's definately more willing to trust a "safe QB" through his mistakes but if he were happy with "safe", Shrout wouldn't have gotten a shot & BM wouldn't have gotten another chance to start VS Kentucky.
I hope HB is that good......, but we've been let down before.

Dobbs 2013
5 games (4 started)
72-of-121 passes for 695 yards with two touchdowns and six interceptions and also rushed for 189 yards and a touchdown in his true freshman season

Brian Maurer 2019
6 games (4 started)
31-74 passes for 524 yards with 2 touchdowns and 5 interceptions and also rushed 22 times for 48 yards with 2 TD's so far in his true freshman season.

I know Dobbs & BM are different style QB's but call it the 'It Factor', 'Spark', or 'Moxie'...... BM flashed it last year just like Dobbs did in 2013. I can see this year playing out like the 2014 season did with Worley, Dobbs, & Peterman. Not saying BM will play to Dobbs level but I don't think it's unreasonable to think he can have a better career than JG has.

Hasn't Pruitt said, unlike last offseason, that QB will be an open competition throughout spring & fall camp?

Very reasonable. And although it’s combative to my point I agree. I guess I’m 50/50 on my feelings of the way Pruitt handled the qbs. I can’t argue with the results and he did have injuries to contend with. I just feel that he pulled the trigger too fast on Maurer vs UK after a long layoff because he was just starting to get settled in and it was showing. He started giving them more and more problems as the “rust” was being knocked off. However who can argue with the results of his decision? JG played well and lead a comeback. The evidence on the field tgat night says Maurer would’ve done the same.

I think the half of me that disagrees with the way the qbs were handled stems from last off season. I don’t think any HC should EVER openly criticize any player to the media. Especially a qb. I feel BM was thrown to the wolves vs UF without ANY preparation and once he was prepared he shined much brighter than we were being told he would vs UGA. He followed that up with another short but strong performance vs MSU and Alabama. If we face the facts we’re talking about a kid that had a mere two weeks to prepare for the best defense in college football and beyond into the gauntlet of our schedule. He was set up to fail (not purposely) given the time frame of the qb change. So why shouldn’t someone be optimistic about his abilities if he were set up to succeed when he did what he did last year on raw/untapped talent?

 

[1vol8]

I don’t buy this at all. I think any coach prefers the “best” option to win the game. Pruitt included.

I say that because JG was the most experienced qb and his playing style is/was well documented. He would rather take a check down for 3 yards than take a chance downfield with only two yards of separation. Thus less picks, higher completion % and not a lot of points or yards.

 

[JohnWardForever]

Most of us have and I’m sorry to those that don’t want to hear it but if were being honest he doesn’t look any better at throwing it than anyone else. Saying it’s just a matter of time is pure speculation.

SIT back and watch. He doesn't look any better? Deep Balls? Are you kidding me?

 

[DustyRockSolid]

Very reasonable. And although it’s combative to my point I agree. I guess I’m 50/50 on my feelings of the way Pruitt handled the qbs. I can’t argue with the results and he did have injuries to contend with. I just feel that he pulled the trigger too fast on Maurer vs UK after a long layoff because he was just starting to get settled in and it was showing. He started giving them more and more problems as the “rust” was being knocked off. However who can argue with the results of his decision? JG played well and lead a comeback. The evidence on the field tgat night says Maurer would’ve done the same.

I think the half of me that disagrees with the way the qbs were handled stems from last off season. I don’t think any HC should EVER openly criticize any player to the media. Especially a qb. I feel BM was thrown to the wolves vs UF without ANY preparation and once he was prepared he shined much brighter than we were being told he would vs UGA. He followed that up with another short but strong performance vs MSU and Alabama. If we face the facts we’re talking about a kid that had a mere two weeks to prepare for the best defense in college football and beyond into the gauntlet of our schedule. He was set up to fail (not purposely) given the time frame of the qb change. So why shouldn’t someone be optimistic about his abilities if he were set up to succeed when he did what he did last year on raw/untapped talent?

As i've said before, I agree BM flashed skill and potential at times but thats where our opinions diverge. The way you speak of him and how he performed and Pruitt pulling him from games... It seems to me that you're making him out to be much better than he actually was. Again, I agree he was good at times and flashed potential but you're coming off very strong on how good you think he is. He was not THAT good. Stats don't tell the whole story but his stats are pretty bad. I agree he probably went into games without receiving valuable first team reps and that most surely would have increased his performance.
My biggest question is this. If JG performs well enough to let Pruitt put in another QB during games we are winning, which QB will he put in?
I'm 99 percent sure it will be HB.
If Pruitt puts HB in during those times then BM will 100 percent transfer.
There aren't many scenarios where BM stays and plays.

 

[DustyRockSolid]

SIT back and watch. He doesn't look any better? Deep Balls? Are you kidding me?

Was he talking about HB not throwing better than anyone else?

 

[JohnWardForever]

HB is legit. I really hope they can work up a game plan that he can manage. The kid has rare talent.

Thank You!

 

[JohnWardForever]

Was he talking about HB not throwing better than anyone else?

He Was. Wow.

 

[DustyRockSolid]

He Was. Wow.

Well... everyone is entitled to their opinion, but...
HB does in fact have more arm talent than anyone on the team.

 

[1vol8]

SIT back and watch. He doesn't look any better? Deep Balls? Are you kidding me?

Not at all. Maurers deep ball to Calloway was perfectly thrown with the perfect trajectory and touch. Shouts deep ball was perfectly thrown with the perfect trajectory and touch. Neither of those balls could’ve been thrown any better. There were some that all three didn’t throw so well too. Just like HB. JG has thrown some nice ones too but I do have to agree that he’s not the best deep ball qb. My point is they all can make all the throws. Hb in a practice setting throwing balls tgat we’ve seen the others throw in games doesn’t tell me that HB is better until he proves it on the field.

 

[DustyRockSolid]

Not at all. Maurers deep ball to Calloway was perfectly thrown with the perfect trajectory and touch. Shouts deep ball was perfectly thrown with the perfect trajectory and touch. Neither of those balls could’ve been thrown any better. There were some that all three didn’t throw so well too. Just like HB. JG has thrown some nice ones too but I do have to agree that he’s not the best deep ball qb. My point is they all can make all the throws. Hb in a practice setting throwing balls tgat we’ve seen the others throw in games doesn’t tell me that HB is better until he proves it on the field.

HB hasn't thrown a pass in college but from his film, it certainly looks like he has some very serious talent when it comes to throwing the ball.
I feel confident in saying he throws the ball better than JG, BM and Shrout.
Will he put it all together and do that in a game? Remains to be seen.
All I can go by right now is his film and that film shows a passer thats already more polished than any of the QBs on our roster.
His throwing mechanics almost always look smooth, he sees the field VERY well.
He has great touch and can put the ball anywhere on the field with legit accuracy.
He can fit the ball in tight windows.
His arm strength is above average.
The only thing it seems he lacks is mobility.

 

[1vol8]

As i've said before, I agree BM flashed skill and potential at times but thats where our opinions diverge. The way you speak of him and how he performed and Pruitt pulling him from games... It seems to me that you're making him out to be much better than he actually was. Again, I agree he was good at times and flashed potential but you're coming off very strong on how good you think he is. He was not THAT good. Stats don't tell the whole story but his stats are pretty bad. I agree he probably went into games without receiving valuable first team reps and that most surely would have increased his performance.
My biggest question is this. If JG performs well enough to let Pruitt put in another QB during games we are winning, which QB will he put in?
I'm 99 percent sure it will be HB.
If Pruitt puts HB in during those times then BM will 100 percent transfer.
There aren't many scenarios where BM stays and plays.

I agree if he puts in HB Maurer is gone. As he should be. An often “overlooked” fact is sometimes a qb and coach just don’t mix. It doesn’t ALWAYS mean the one chosen is the “better” qb but rather the one that best fits the coaches style of play. (See Hurts over Tua or Fromm over Fields). Maybe HB proves better. Maybe he just fits Pruitts style of play. Truth is we’ll never know which it is and we can only speculate. But maybe Maurer beats out HB too. He does have the stronger arm and the accuracy is about the same. He works the pocket as well as HB but he’s able to run and make a defense pay for blitzing if they don’t get home. If Maurer has learned the playbook and it results in better decisions, don’t be surprised if it’s HB transferring when it’s all said and done.

 

[1vol8]

HB hasn't thrown a pass in college but from his film, it certainly looks like he has some very serious talent when it comes to throwing the ball.
I feel confident in saying he throws the ball better than JG, BM and Shrout.
Will he put it all together and do that in a game? Remains to be seen.
All I can go by right now is his film and that film shows a passer thats already more polished than any of the QBs on our roster.
His throwing mechanics almost always look smooth, he sees the field VERY well.
He has great touch and can put the ball anywhere on the field with legit accuracy.
He can fit the ball in tight windows.
His arm strength is above average.
The only thing it seems he lacks is mobility.

I agree with all of that. But one thing you may be overlooking is the fact that the film you’re watching is from an offense he’s been apart of for the last 4 years. He knows it like the back of his hand so those quick decisions are easy. In an offense he doesn’t know with receivers he doesn’t know (Keyton excluded) he has to learn where they will be through not only playbook but abilities and speed.

 

[DustyRockSolid]

I agree with all of that. But one thing you may be overlooking is the fact that the film you’re watching is from an offense he’s been apart of for the last 4 years. He knows it like the back of his hand so those quick decisions are easy. In an offense he doesn’t know with receivers he doesn’t know (Keyton excluded) he has to learn where they will be through not only playbook but abilities and speed.

Yep, you make a very valid point.
All we can do now is wait and see.

 

[pharmDvol11]

In this conference if you don’t have 2-3 serviceable QBs ready to play you’re 2nd tier at best.

 

[MemphisVol77]

I think the half of me that disagrees with the way the qbs were handled stems from last off season. I don’t think any HC should EVER openly criticize any player to the media. Especially a QB.

Some might say a HC should never grab any players facemask and chew their arse on national TV, especially a QB.

Almost everyone has mixed feelings on those kind of issues. I'm not saying it's wrong or right. Every player/coach relationship has different dynamics.

After the 2019 spring game you had a strong argument, but it was just a controlled scrimmage you were comparing JG & BM with. Even if BM did outplay JG in the spring game(I'm not saying he did or didn't), that didn't prove he was ahead of JG or had been outperforming him at practice.

I admit you were right about BM's upside but you were trying to prove a negative saying he wasn't being given a fair shot. Neither us as fans, or the media, have enough access to assert that.

. I feel BM was thrown to the wolves vs UF without ANY preparation and once he was prepared

What if he just wasn't ready before then, and first team reps wouldn't have changed that? Tua didn't play until the NC game. Trevor Lawrence didn't start until the 5th game. Were they mishandled? Back to us not having access......

Again though, from the day Brian Maurer signed you've been touting his upside and potential. From Pruitt's past history of player development, and now with UT, it seems all his players rave about Pruitt being a stand up guy and a straight shooter. I'm not anointing a true freshman in HB as having surpassed BM. In every recruiting thread we talk every 3* commit up by Pruitt & staffs eye for talent & development while pointing out past 3* success stories.

Brian Maurer might not get handed the job to lose, but I don't think there's any argument he won't get his chance to win the job.

I loved the way Maurer moved the ball. I loved how he responded to a perfect pass going through Jauan Jennings hands for an INT by leading a scoring drive that he rushed in for a TD the next possession at AL.

 

[1vol8]

Some might say a HC should never grab any players facemask and chew their arse on national TV, especially a QB.

Almost everyone has mixed feelings on those kind of issues. I'm not saying it's wrong or right. Every player/coach relationship has different dynamics.

After the 2019 spring game you had a strong argument, but it was just a controlled scrimmage you were comparing JG & BM with. Even if BM did outplay JG in the spring game(I'm not saying he did or didn't), that didn't prove he was ahead of JG or had been outperforming him at practice.

I admit you were right about BM's upside but you were trying to prove a negative saying he wasn't being given a fair shot. Neither us as fans, or the media, have enough access to assert that.
What if he just wasn't ready before then, and first team reps wouldn't have changed that? Tua didn't play until the NC game. Trevor Lawrence didn't start until the 5th game. Were they mishandled? Back to us not having access......

Again though, from the day Brian Maurer signed you've been touting his upside and potential. From Pruitt's past history of player development, and now with UT, it seems all his players rave about Pruitt being a stand up guy and a straight shooter. I'm not anointing a true freshman in HB as having surpassed BM. In every recruiting thread we talk every 3* commit up by Pruitt & staffs eye for talent & development while pointing out past 3* success stories.

Brian Maurer might not get handed the job to lose, but I don't think there's any argument he won't get his chance to win the job.

I loved the way Maurer moved the ball. I loved how he responded to a perfect pass going through Jauan Jennings hands for an INT by leading a scoring drive that he rushed in for a TD the next possession at AL.

To be fair back then I was only trying to tell you guys we got a gem. It was the arguments that were false that I was fighting against. Maybe I should’ve just let it play out but I knew better. And I still do because I’ve watched this kid grow. I know how his mind and body work. An int only pisses him off. He normally get better from there. Had he not gotten hurt he was on his way to proving that point vs MSU. The game that everyone raves about in Hs where he threw for over 500 yards and rushed for 195.... that game started with a pick 6 against him and Helton was there watching. He ended up scoring 6 times in a 77-67 loss. The kid doesn’t get rattled. He responds. And that’s a rare quality that goes well with his skill set.