Alexis Johnson at practice

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KBVol said:
I've heard from several sources.....he can go hit Gold's gym for 6 months with a personal trainer and he's not gonna sniff the type of physical fitness and shape the rest of the roster is in from having been in our S&C program the same amount of time. He also has to learn our techniques and schemes and just generally how to play the game at this level.

Think KMac last year who, by all accounts, is a much more talented player. He was an early enrollee who got in our S&C program from day one, went through spring, fall and summer with the team....and he struggled to do much until a little later in the season. AJ is much, much further behind the 8 ball than KMac and is less talented.

Alexis just got on the practice field and game 1 is 13 days away. I could certainly be wrong, it's an inexact thing here and you never know.

I also think you have to keep the kid's best interest in mind here.....do you waste a full year of his eligibility in hopes he can contribute the last 5-6 games, maybe, when the season has pretty much already been decided? Or do you redshirt him, get him stronger, develop him so that he can be at his best for both himself and his team in 2017?

Like I said, it's inexact, you never know, guess we'll know soon enough. I'm leaning towards a redshirt from my fan/layman's perspective. I'm certain Strip and Butch will figure it out and do what's best.
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He was not an EE. He was behind in conditioning.
 
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KBVol said:
I've heard from several sources.....he can go hit Gold's gym for 6 months with a personal trainer and he's not gonna sniff the type of physical fitness and shape the rest of the roster is in from having been in our S&C program the same amount of time. He also has to learn our techniques and schemes and just generally how to play the game at this level.

Think KMac last year who, by all accounts, is a much more talented player. He was an early enrollee who got in our S&C program from day one, went through spring, fall and summer with the team....and he struggled to do much until a little later in the season. AJ is much, much further behind the 8 ball than KMac and is less talented.

Alexis just got on the practice field and game 1 is 13 days away. I could certainly be wrong, it's an inexact thing here and you never know.

I also think you have to keep the kid's best interest in mind here.....do you waste a full year of his eligibility in hopes he can contribute the last 5-6 games, maybe, when the season has pretty much already been decided? Or do you redshirt him, get him stronger, develop him so that he can be at his best for both himself and his team in 2017?

Like I said, it's inexact, you never know, guess we'll know soon enough. I'm leaning towards a redshirt from my fan/layman's perspective. I'm certain Strip and Butch will figure it out and do what's best.
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This statement right here show's how much you follow recruiting. Kmac was not an early enrollee and did not go through spring practice. He didn't see the playbook until fall camp. In addition he was 40 lbs overweight. He even said in the last two weeks, than last year he couldn't make it through half a practice without being gassed. Why is everyone ignoring how the coaches operate? How many true freshman have we played in the last 3 years because we NEEDED them to. Last year, Coach Strip lost Kurt Maggitt, Shy Tuttle, Danny O for 2 games and Kyle Phillips. We lost games last year because our D line was redlining in the 4th quarter, they didn't have back ups.

I don't understand how anyone could make a argument that we just "eh, he couldn't really contribute until mid way through the season". Oh you mean the part where we play Texas A&M away, Bama, South Carolina away and later potentially the SEC Championship/playoffs? Sure, he could be a bust once he plays against SEC talent. But he could be a stud. If you want to reference Blair as a bust then go ahead. Every other top school would have been wrong about his as well. We have much better successes with JUCO players than failures. Also, JUCO aren't meant to redshirt. They're supposed to be able to get in there right away. That's basically the point of JUCO, it's like going from being on the freshman team (high school) to JV, then to varsity (I'm not dumb I know grades sometimes play a factor).
 
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walkenvol said:
Your basing this opinion on what - wishful thinking?
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Probably basing it on the fact that he was on campus on an athletic scholarship and that he wasn't banned from checking in with the coaches i.e. Butch wouldn't let a guy right under his nose get fat.
 
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KBVol said:
I've heard from several sources.....he can go hit Gold's gym for 6 months with a personal trainer and he's not gonna sniff the type of physical fitness and shape the rest of the roster is in from having been in our S&C program the same amount of time. He also has to learn our techniques and schemes and just generally how to play the game at this level.

Think KMac last year who, by all accounts, is a much more talented player. He was an early enrollee who got in our S&C program from day one, went through spring, fall and summer with the team....and he struggled to do much until a little later in the season. AJ is much, much further behind the 8 ball than KMac and is less talented.

Alexis just got on the practice field and game 1 is 13 days away. I could certainly be wrong, it's an inexact thing here and you never know.

I also think you have to keep the kid's best interest in mind here.....do you waste a full year of his eligibility in hopes he can contribute the last 5-6 games, maybe, when the season has pretty much already been decided? Or do you redshirt him, get him stronger, develop him so that he can be at his best for both himself and his team in 2017?

Like I said, it's inexact, you never know, guess we'll know soon enough. I'm leaning towards a redshirt from my fan/layman's perspective. I'm certain Strip and Butch will figure it out and do what's best.
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Lolololol
 
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swchandler1988 said:
This statement right here show's how much you follow recruiting. Kmac was not an early enrollee and did not go through spring practice. He didn't see the playbook until fall camp. In addition he was 40 lbs overweight. He even said in the last two weeks, than last year he couldn't make it through half a practice without being gassed. Why is everyone ignoring how the coaches operate? How many true freshman have we played in the last 3 years because we NEEDED them to. Last year, Coach Strip lost Kurt Maggitt, Shy Tuttle, Danny O for 2 games and Kyle Phillips. We lost games last year because our D line was redlining in the 4th quarter, they didn't have back ups.

I don't understand how anyone could make a argument that we just "eh, he couldn't really contribute until mid way through the season". Oh you mean the part where we play Texas A&M away, Bama, South Carolina away and later potentially the SEC Championship/playoffs? Sure, he could be a bust once he plays against SEC talent. But he could be a stud. If you want to reference Blair as a bust then go ahead. Every other top school would have been wrong about his as well. We have much better successes with JUCO players than failures. Also, JUCO aren't meant to redshirt. They're supposed to be able to get in there right away. That's basically the point of JUCO, it's like going from being on the freshman team (high school) to JV, then to varsity (I'm not dumb I know grades sometimes play a factor).
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That entire first paragraph of yours just further illustrates why it will be a long time before Johnson is ready. So you are saying that KMac was out of shape, and because he wasn't an EE and in the coaches program long enough he wasn't prepared? But then you go on to assume in several posts that Alexis Johnson isn't just being fat and lazy and is probably in good shape even though he isn't under the coaches program.

I don't see a huge difference in Khalil and AJ's situations. Sure, Khalil was a little bit overweight. Other than that, they are incredibly similar. You can't just assume Alexis has been working out incredibly hard. It also makes a HUGE difference being with the team. You could work your ass off in a gym daily and still not be anywhere near the S&C levels of the team when you get back.
 
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VersaceButch said:
That entire first paragraph of yours just further illustrates why it will be a long time before Johnson is ready. So you are saying that KMac was out of shape, and because he wasn't an EE and in the coaches program long enough he wasn't prepared? But then you go on to assume in several posts that Alexis Johnson isn't just being fat and lazy and is probably in good shape even though he isn't under the coaches program.

I don't see a huge difference in Khalil and AJ's situations. Sure, Khalil was a little bit overweight. Other than that, they are incredibly similar. You can't just assume Alexis has been working out incredibly hard. It also makes a HUGE difference being with the team. You could work your ass off in a gym daily and still not be anywhere near the S&C levels of the team when you get back.
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A little? He was a blimp. But you missed my point. Kmac came in under those conditions, and still played in 13 games, had 12 tackles and 1 sack...because he was needed. We need defensive tackle depth, even if one of the 3rd string guys (Johnson) isn't where he needs to be. He might be fat and out of shape, but at 6'4 300lbs, if he could come in to give Vickers, Tuttle, Obrien or Kmac a breather, that's one more stout human being that would make it harder for Chubb to run by. This is all based on potential. That goes for Kongbo and Darrell Taylor too. But taking into account the risk/reward factor, it doesn't make sense to redshirt Johnson.
 
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VersaceButch said:
That entire first paragraph of yours just further illustrates why it will be a long time before Johnson is ready. So you are saying that KMac was out of shape, and because he wasn't an EE and in the coaches program long enough he wasn't prepared? But then you go on to assume in several posts that Alexis Johnson isn't just being fat and lazy and is probably in good shape even though he isn't under the coaches program.

I don't see a huge difference in Khalil and AJ's situations. Sure, Khalil was a little bit overweight. Other than that, they are incredibly similar. You can't just assume Alexis has been working out incredibly hard. It also makes a HUGE difference being with the team. You could work your ass off in a gym daily and still not be anywhere near the S&C levels of the team when you get back.
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A year for Khalil made a big difference...with that being said, there is a big difference in a 21 year old that has been playing football for the past two years and a 18 year old that didnt play for almost two years.
 

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titansvolsfaninga said:
A year for Khalil made a big difference...with that being said, there is a big difference in a 21 year old that has been playing football for the past two years and a 18 year old that didnt play for almost two years.
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Saw that! Looks like that's John Kelly and Sherion however you spell it Jones. Don't recognize the little guy.
 
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swchandler1988 said:
Dude will definitely play. Chance Hall goes down with surgery today and we're scrambling for a back up. What if, God forbid, One of the starting DTs gets hurt? We'd be screwed. "We don't face run heavy teams". I'm not going to quote the person that said that but I'm sorry we're going to play Bo Scarborough, Sony Michel, Nick Chubb, Keith Ford at A&M, and possibly Fortnette if we get in the title game and Bama doesn't.

Also, why the hell are we worried about his conditioning if everyone is like "well Tuttle should be good by the Florida game". So we're banking on a guy (love Tuttle, don't get it twisted) who spent last October-April/May in a boot? You really think that Johnson, who is on campus, going to a university on an athletic scholarship, is just going to get fat and sit around all day? Absolutely not. Also, there's no rule that a player can't play if he has a misdemeanor on his record. He and Tuttle will debut at the Ohio game bank on it. Let's remember that behind Kmac Vickers Obrien and Tuttle all we have that have had game exp is Picou. Alexis will play ASAP.
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Also. Bain, Mixon and Kongbo can fill in at DT as well as the newbie McDaniel.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
Tuttle is not red shirting. No idea where you got that. But it's way off.
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No I'm not.

I have a good memory, and Butch was saying the exact same things about Curt Maggit at the beginning of 2013.
They want to push him as much as possdible, but Butch is not a great risk taker. Here's the main reason i feel he is going to redshirt.

NO TIMETABLE HAS BEEN GIVEN.

Chance Hall just had surgery... 4- 6 weeks.

Tuttle is a big dude. More pressure on his body. You gotta take your time. He had a very bad injury.

Hes going to redshirt.
 
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LWSVOL said:
its right here folks.

Jones went on to say that Johnson will have to go through the same summer conditioning programs as the rostered players, and that there is no timetable for Johnson to return.

he is not in shape. staff knows he has a long way to go
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Larry, have you not been paying attention to Butch?

Butch Jones is supporting his stance that he was completely ditached from Johnson during these past months.

Alexis has been working out. He just needs to get in football shape.
 
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LittleVol said:
Tuttle had an extreme injury.

Johnson is just out of shape. Football shape that is. He can play himself into that.

Tuttle is going to redshirt imo.

So Johnson will certainly play then.
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I hope Tuttle does red shirt, because IMO he won't be ready until late October & that will give us an extra year with him. It'll also give him an extra year in the strength and conditioning program. Not to mention, extra help in 2017-18.
 
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TennMan101 said:
I hope Tuttle does red shirt, because IMO he won't be ready until late October & that will give us an extra year with him. It'll also give him an extra year in the strength and conditioning program. Not to mention, extra help in 2017-18.
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Yep.

We have
Kmac 6'3 320
Vickers 6'3 295
Obrien 6'2 290
Kongbo 6'6 282
Johnson 6'3 310
Piccio 6'2 277
Bain 6'2 290

We're going to be fine.
 
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LittleVol said:
No I'm not.

I have a good memory, and Butch was saying the exact same things about Curt Maggit at the beginning of 2013.
They want to push him as much as possdible, but Butch is not a great risk taker. Here's the main reason i feel he is going to redshirt.

NO TIMETABLE HAS BEEN GIVEN.

Chance Hall just had surgery... 4- 6 weeks.

Tuttle is a big dude. More pressure on his body. You gotta take your time. He had a very bad injury.

Hes going to redshirt.
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hmmm....

Jimmy Hyams
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Based on what he has seen in practice, Vols DC Bob Shoop is `encouraged' that DT Shy Tuttle might play in the opener Sept. 1. v. Appy State
 
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tallyho said:
Also. Bain, Mixon and Kongbo can fill in at DT as well as the newbie McDaniel.
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Lol McDaniel weighs 220 lbs.

We need Tuttle this season. This talk about redshirting him is crazy. The only way that happens is if his recovery is set back or slower than reported, and by all accounts he's moving well (better and better every practice) and could even play vs App State if needed.
 
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TennMan101 said:
I hope Tuttle does red shirt, because IMO he won't be ready until late October & that will give us an extra year with him. It'll also give him an extra year in the strength and conditioning program. Not to mention, extra help in 2017-18.
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Well according to Bob Shoop he might be ready for the season opener. That is a pretty big discrepancy between not being ready and having to redshirt.
 
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hibbs said:
hmmm....

Jimmy Hyams
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Based on what he has seen in practice, Vols DC Bob Shoop is `encouraged' that DT Shy Tuttle might play in the opener Sept. 1. v. Appy State
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Shoop said that literally 20 mins AFTER I posted that.

And its the first indication of a possible time table.

Butch also said Maggit might play in the Oregon game.

Hmmm....
 
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VersaceButch said:
Well according to Bob Shoop he might be ready for the season opener. That is a pretty big discrepancy between not being ready and having to redshirt.
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Did you stop and think that they may be talking him up? No one outside of the coaching staff knows, but I remember lots of ppl thinking Maggitt would be coming back by midseason, at the latest, and he never played another game for the Vols!
 
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