AJ Johnson/Michael Williams Case (merged)

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#103
The charge means that the police and DA think there is enough evidence to support a conviction. No DA or cop wants to bring a case they know they cant win.
Especially a high profile case like this.
Its hard to plea bargain a Class A felony charge down to something acceptable and both sides save face. The battle lines are drawn.
It will be interesting to see how the talented, experienced defense attorneys respond.
 
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gunner, if they were subpoenaed they had no choice but to appear and tell what they know that is relevant to the case, unless they felt it would incriminate them.
 
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The police/DA obviously thought the former players had relevant information about the case otherwise they wouldnt have presented their testimony to the GJ.
Let the process now play out before judging anyone's guilt or innocence.
 
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vol81 said:
gunner, if they were subpoenaed they had no choice but to appear and tell what they know that is relevant to the case, unless they felt it would incriminate them.
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Again, what do you think they were to testify about?
 
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daj2576 said:
And, if I recall correctly, you can't even assert your Vth amendment rights in a GJ hearing because technically, the GJ cannot deprive you of life, liberty, or property.

I would like to see someone assert their 1st amendment rights. If the Vth amendment protects against self incrimination, the 1st amendment also protects against compelled speech and association.
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The defendant isn't present at Grand jury hearings so you are correct.
 
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Orange Death said:
Sounds like you're slamming the gavel down. If so, it's a little premature.

Give it time. People have come back from worse if they're found not guilty.
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No, not at all... believe me, I want these guys to be found innocent. .but, doesn't look like it's gonna turn out that way...
 
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usfdv said:
When this started, I recall lots of people here saying, "I am waiting to see what the evidence says" and waiting to see if they'd be charged. I predict now it'll be something else. As is already happening by a few posters. News flash, people do not want to believe this kind of thing, I get that. But, to not believe it is absurd. Happens every day by people who others viewed as "such a nice person" therefore can't be true. Get over it.
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Unless you witnessed it yourself, then you don't know what happened.
 
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vol81 said:
The charge means that the police and DA think there is enough evidence to support a conviction. No DA or cop wants to bring a case they know they cant win.
Especially a high profile case like this.
Its hard to plea bargain a Class A felony charge down to something acceptable and both sides save face. The battle lines are drawn.
It will be interesting to see how the talented, experienced defense attorneys respond.
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Maybe I misunderstand but if I read you correctly there would never be plea bargains. Here's why: you don't plea when you aren't charged, and you aren't charged until there is an indictment. What you're saying would suggest there are no indictments that the government would plea because they are inherently solid.

On the contrary, now begins discovery and when holes in the case start to be examined by an adversary. Plea bargaining happens, if at all, only between now and trial. I would even suggest that prosecutors will, on occassion, over-charge in order to increase their bargaining power. And, it seems to me, that an A felony (unless otherwise stated in a statute) has the most bargaining room as there are B, C, D, etc felonies and then misdemeanors.

I'm not saying there will be a plea in this case, I'm saying that I can't make what I think you said fit into a practical criminal trial application.
 
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daj2576 said:
I can almost guarantee that if we pulled out the full Tennessee Code annotated, the local ordinances for your city and county, that there would be something you have done that might technically be breaking the law.

Double parking, jay walking, leaving a car running without being in it, 1 mile an hour over the speed limit is technically speeding, having a tail light out, not turning your lights on in the rain, not pulling over for emergency vehicles, whatever. There are so many regulations that it has been said that statistically everyone breaks the law in some way almost every day. It is disgusting to me, but it is what we seem to want...more regulation will fix "it."
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I read some time ago that would take like 30 years at 8 hours per day of just straight reading for a citizen to learn every law, ordinance, and regulation that they are under.
 
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livefaith said:
I read some time ago that would take like 30 years at 8 hours per day of just straight reading for a citizen to learn every law, ordinance, and regulation that they are under.
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I've heard that number used to describe the IRS code. Either way...land of the free, right?
 
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Rudy123 said:
You are correct! Only case that comes to mind for me is the O.J. case. He was acquitted.
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Indicted isnt same as convicted. OJ was indicted. There have been a couple major non indictments in the news the last few months.
 
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#122
I'm so freaking conflicted about this. I love the football player aj. Like few others. But I've got a daughter...and I live her more than life. Something terrible happening to her keeps me up at night worrying
 
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chattavol420 said:
I'm so freaking conflicted about this. I love the football player aj. Like few others. But I've got a daughter...and I live her more than life. Something terrible happening to her keeps me up at night worrying
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I have a four month old, my only child, and I cannot even handle how vaccinations make her cry. I don't want to consider her in any sort of pain.
 
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Anyone else feel like this is Michael Williams and AJ was unfortunately topped into it? I just have that feeling. Call it denial but he's going to be proven guilty before I'll buy it.
 
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