AJ Johnson/Michael Williams Case (merged)

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usfdv said:
When this started, I recall lots of people here saying, "I am waiting to see what the evidence says" and waiting to see if they'd be charged. I predict now it'll be something else. As is already happening by a few posters. News flash, people do not want to believe this kind of thing, I get that. But, to not believe it is absurd. Happens every day by people who others viewed as "such a nice person" therefore can't be true. Get over it.
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Out of curiosity, what do you think an indictment is?
 
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OrangeIsLife said:
Your statement has nothing to do with what he said. He is correct. The Grand Jury, for the most part, follows where the Attorney General leads them. An indictment is not good. It means you are going to be tried for the crime you are accused of. It is not a predictor of guilt.
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You can also say this (generally): anyone who was acquitted at trial was also indicted by a grand jury.

In other words, petit jury > grand jury.
 
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A grand jury determines whether there is probable cause for a trial (think of it as 25% sure something might have happened). The prosecution has no duty to put forth evidence in favor of the defense. The defendant has no right to be present. It's not hard to indict someone given it's a one-sided story. Wait and see for the trial if they don't plea out.
 
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GOVOLS 1 said:
Hope your few minutes of fun was worth it boys. Looks like Butch did the right thing by suspending them.
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Why don't we wait until it goes to trial before you start casting stones. The grand jury only needs probable cause to bring charges, not proof beyond a reasonable doubt which it takes to convict. I'm not saying either is guilty or not because I don't know and I dont listen to the he said she said but it would appear certain members are really hoping this to be true.
 
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Its sad for everyone involved, but if they're truly guilty I hope they nail them to the wall.
 
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A grand jury indictment doesn't mean they are guilty. That's why there is a trial.

Of course, a not guilty verdict does not mean the person is "innocent" either.
 
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1 in 102 said:
A grand jury determines whether there is probable cause for a trial (think of it as 25% sure something might have happened). The prosecution has no duty to put forth evidence in favor of the defense. The defendant has no right to be present. It's not hard to indict someone given it's a one-sided story. Wait and see for the trial if they don't plea out.
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The plea bargaining tells the story. It is typically an inverse relationship with how confident the prosecutor is about winning the case at trial.
 
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volfaninutah said:
The article did say that Mr. Dillard (Johnson's Attorney) is making plans for him to turn himself in also. Pretty much black and white there. That's too bad. All this over a night of thinking with the "little head" instead of the one with common sense in it.:thumbsup:
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Not sure there is any common sense in either TBH
 
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Rudy123 said:
You are correct! Only case that comes to mind for me is the O.J. case. He was acquitted.
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Only a technicality got OJ acquitted. He later was prosecuted well you know the story. Point being where there is smoke there is fire.

:thud:

Tennesseeduke
 
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I am reading 2 stories here. I have read both and just Williams. News here in Bristol said just Williams also. What's the truth here?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
How hard is it to NOT break the law? Good grief. How do some of these people even make it into college?
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Truthfully, its extremely difficult not to break the law.

Did you speed today? Change lanes without blinkers? Fail to yield? Not come to a complete stop at every stop sign?

If you are asking how difficult it is not to rape, well...thats a whole other story.
 
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BookVol said:
You do realize that grand juries are pretty much just a rubber stamp right? Only a fraction of a percentage of cases brought before the grand jury aren't indicted.
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And most people are eventually found guilty also. Which means, the Grand Jury is overwhelmingly correct when they indict.
 
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99gator said:
A grand jury indictment doesn't mean they are guilty. That's why there is a trial.

Of course, a not guilty verdict does not mean the person is "innocent" either.
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True but an indictment for aggravated rape means that if they are guilty they never deserve to see the light of day again. That is pretty much the worse thing you can do to another person short of killing them.
 
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daj2576 said:
The plea bargaining tells the story. It is typically an inverse relationship with how confident the prosecutor is about winning the case at trial.
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Not really true. Most prosecutors are overwhelmed with caseload and essentially try to get the best (most time) deal they can without a lengthy court clogging trial.
 
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If they are found innocent though sadly it still will probably haunt them for the rest of their lives. Their reputations are ruined.
 
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daj2576 said:
The plea bargaining tells the story. It is typically an inverse relationship with how confident the prosecutor is about winning the case at trial.
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Exactly. Thank you for your input. It's a breath of fresh air. Legal reasoning can be a premium in these types of threads.
 
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Not surprised after Butch kicked then off the team it was only a matter of time before indictments came down.
 
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dduncan4163 said:
True but an indictment for aggravated rape means that if they are guilty they never deserve to see the light of day again. That is pretty much the worse thing you can do to another person short of killing them.
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There is a chance of parole in murder but in Tennessee you serve all the judge gives you for rape. No Parole...15 years per count charged
 
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tim said:
And most people are eventually found guilty also. Which means, the Grand Jury is overwhelmingly correct when they indict.
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Some people are convicted and sent to prison for decades, after a grand jury indictment, after a petit jury finding of guilt, then exonerated based on evidence that proved that they couldn't have committed the crime at all.

Does it worry you more that a guilty man might go free, or that an innocent man might be found guilty?

*none of this is an indication of my perception of the present case
 
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