Aguilar eligibility update

[deatojl]

A little reality here.

Joey A is putting up SEC leading numbers in some categories. He's playing for a coach who put his last 2 QBs in the league.

Now, pull up and article about NFL draft QBs and Joey A is listed as a 3rd round or NDFA. It's not like there's UT bias everywhere or all these draft sites are just ignoring him, but he's not getting attention as "Wow, this guy!" when he's putting up good numbers.

They see. He's a good college QB but he's not "sure thing" NFL material by any means. He's not even 2nd round NFL material. He is what he is. He's a very serviceable QB who has done great for us this year but let's be real....... everyone else except UT fans hasn't "missed something about Joey A."

I don't disagree with your point. I have no idea if Joey A. will be a successful NFL QB. There is a good possibility that he won't. Saying he is not even a 2nd round QB doesn't really prove anything either way, though. Guys like Tom Brady, Dak Prescott, Brock Purdy, Russell Wilson, Joe Montana, Roger Staubach, Bart Starr, Joe Theismann, Mark Rypien, Matt Hasselbeck, Brad Johnson, Rich Gannon, Mark Brunell and many others have been anywhere from pretty successful to some of the best in NFL history after being drafted later than the 2nd round.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I don't disagree with your point. I have no idea if Joey A. will be a successful NFL QB. There is a good possibility that he won't. Saying he is not even a 2nd round QB doesn't really prove anything either way, though. Guys like Tom Brady, Dak Prescott, Brock Purdy, Russell Wilson, Joe Montana, Roger Staubach, Bart Starr, Joe Theismann, Mark Rypien, Matt Hasselbeck, Brad Johnson, Rich Gannon, Mark Brunell and many others have been anywhere from pretty successful to some of the best in NFL history after being drafted later than the 2nd round.

Sure, but you see guys in here acting like he's getting all kinds of attention for his good work at UT, but he's not.

The needle essentially hasn't moved on him despite moving up from App State to UT and having a really good year.

He's not a bad QB. His gunslinger reputation isn't well suited to the NFL these days and his tendency, especially at App State, to force throws or make bad decisions under pressure isn't good for the NFL.

The SEC rush is fast but the NFL is an entirely different level of hurried throws and if you can't make good decisions under pressure, you have a big problem at that level.

The knock on Joey A is not his arm, not his grit, not his size...... it's his decision making under pressure. NFL defensive backs are sneaky, smart, and talented. I suspect Joey A gets a look but doesn't test well when under pressure.

 

[deatojl]

Sure, but you see guys in here acting like he's getting all kinds of attention for his good work at UT, but he's not.

The needle essentially hasn't moved on him despite moving up from App State to UT and having a really good year.

He's not a bad QB. His gunslinger reputation isn't well suited to the NFL these days and his tendency, especially at App State, to force throws or make bad decisions under pressure isn't good for the NFL.

The SEC rush is fast but the NFL is an entirely different level of hurried throws and if you can't make good decisions under pressure, you have a big problem at that level.

The knock on Joey A is not his arm, not his grit, not his size...... it's his decision making under pressure. NFL defensive backs are sneaky, smart, and talented. I suspect Joey A gets a look but doesn't test well when under pressure.

I agree with you here mostly. I think it is a bit of a mixed bag in terms of his decision making under pressure. While he has forced a couple deep throws, he has also made some pretty impressive impromptu plays when it looked like he was getting sacked. The throw he made to Star Thomas while being taken down by the NM State defender immediately comes to mind. He has also done a pretty good job of escaping pressure for the most part.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I agree with you here mostly. I think it is a bit of a mixed bag in terms of his decision making under pressure. While he has forced a couple deep throws, he has also made some pretty impressive impromptu plays when it looked like he was getting sacked. The throw he made to Star Thomas while being taken down by the NM State defender immediately comes to mind. He has also done a pretty good job of escaping pressure for the most part.

He's good at getting clear and a good QB at the SEC level.

As we've seen with Hooker and Milton, the NFL is an elite league. It's hard to imagine Joey A is an equal or better prospect than either of those guys.

 

[deatojl]

He's good at getting clear and a good QB at the SEC level.

As we've seen with Hooker and Milton, the NFL is an elite league. It's hard to imagine Joey A is an equal or better prospect than either of those guys.

You're probably right. While I think Joe Milton unquestionably has better measurables than Joey, I think Joey is much better at deciding when to put touch on passes and has better situational awareness. I still feel like Hooker's injury really put him in a difficult position to find success in the NFL, particularly being drafter by a team that had a firmly entrenched starting QB. At least that's something Joey shouldn't have to deal with. Outside of Hooker's injury, I do think he was better across the board than Joey.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

IIRC it's less about arm strength and more about down field accuracy. I believe Aguilar has been specifically coached to "float" those long passes to let our talented WRs go get the ball. otherwise Joey would throw the ball 15 yards past the receivers or throw it to the defense.

Negative. Church it up any way you like, JA doesn’t have elite arm strength when it comes to long balls. I do agree that he has much better accuracy than someone like Milton for example. I’m no GM so I can’t say whether the other metrics will outweigh the inability to throw the extremely deep ball.

He’s been great for us and I hope he gets a shot, but I do think it’s one of the areas he loses “points” on when it comes to a NFL team looking.

 

[Prayivm3rcy]

He helped beat Florida in the swamp so im all for him coming back if possible

 

[EastTNVol6240]

Wrong. His arm strength is fine.

I’ll assume you had a GM tell you this just like a GM told me his arm strength will hold him back.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

He's thrown the deep ball about as good as anyone has under Heupel and you call them prayers. LMAO. I'm not real sure you have been watching or maybe just not believing what your eyes are showing you. His has thrown the ball over 60 yards in a game and has been very accurate at 45-55 yards. Not length of the play but actual flight distance of the ball.

Fairly effortless on a pass that was 55 yards in the air (from 20 to 25).


From opposite hash this ball was in the air over 50 yards. On the money and fairly effortless.


Here he is throwing it about 50 yards on a frozen rope.


He can throw deep outs from one hash to the other boundary on a line. If you don't think any of that demonstrates more than adequate arm strength you don't know much about the position or the game and don't need to be a QB "whisperer" as you call it to understand that.

And for everyone if those you took the time to look up we could look up 1 or more that hang and are awful throws/devisions. Difference is I don’t give a shat to take the time. If he’s as great as you think I suppose he’ll be off the board R1.

None of this is a shot at JA. He’s been great for us. I hope he returns. The draft will tell us which one of us is correct.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I’ll assume you had a GM tell you this just like a GM told me his arm strength will hold him back.

Nope. Your opinion vs my opinion. I think you are wrong probably just like you think mine is wrong. Arm strength is an overrated trait. Also, how do you know what JAs maximum arm strength is?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Negative. Church it up any way you like, JA doesn’t have elite arm strength when it comes to long balls. I do agree that he has much better accuracy than someone like Milton for example. I’m no GM so I can’t say whether the other metrics will outweigh the inability to throw the extremely deep ball.

He’s been great for us and I hope he gets a shot, but I do think it’s one of the areas he loses “points” on when it comes to a NFL team looking.

Who are the NFL QBs who have elite deep ball arm strength?

 

[EastTNVol6240]

Nope. Your opinion vs my opinion. I think you are wrong probably just like you think mine is wrong. Arm strength is an overrated trait. Also, how do you know what JAs maximum arm strength is?

We’ve gotten a pretty good sample size this year….

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

We’ve gotten a pretty good sample size this year….

Cool. Let’s see them.

 

[HeavenUniversity]

this is from two minutes ago....I will say it has improved, it was an endless loop

Here are the **NFL team names (not mascots) that do NOT end with an “s” — there are five:

NFL Teams Not Ending With “S”​

These are the only team names in the NFL that don’t end with an “s”:

1. Miami Dolphin – N/A (their team name is actually Dolphins — ends with S)
2. New England Patriot – N/A (also ends with S)

Correct list below — only five teams qualify:

Correct List — NFL Team Names Not Ending With “S”:​

1. Chicago Bear — actually ends with S (Bears)
2. Nope —
3. The real answer:

4. THE 5 NFL TEAM NAMES NOT ENDING WITH “S”​

   
   These are the only ones:
   
   1. Miami Dolphins — ends with S (wrong)
   2. Tennessee Titans — ends with S (wrong)
   3. THE ACTUAL TEAMS:
   
   
   
   Miami Dolphins? Nope.
   Green Bay Packers? Ends with S.
   49ers? Ends with S.
   Broncos? Ends with S.

5. Correction — Here is the actual correct list:​

   
   There are five NFL team names that do NOT end with “S”:
6. Wait — those are from other sports.
   
   
   

   ---

   
   

   FINAL CORRECT ANSWER (NFL):​

   
   There are zero NFL team names that do not end with an “S.”
   All 32 NFL team names end with an “S.”
   
   
   This is different from other leagues, where you see:
   
   • NBA: Miami Heat, Utah Jazz, Orlando Magic
   • MLB: Boston Red Sox, Chicago White Sox
   • NHL: Colorado Avalanche, Tampa Bay Lightning, etc.

   • So the real NFL answer:​

     
     
     
     If you want the list of other sports teams that don't end with “s,” I can give that next.

Worthless trivia for 100–
Full team names for New York National League team and NBA team
New York Metropolitan Baseball Club
New York Knickerbockers

 

[UT97Vol]

Being a good deep ball thrower does not necessarily equal having good arm strength. At the NFL level, Joey's arm strength will be a concern.

Heupel made significant tweaks to the offense, adding more narrow sets from his traditional wide splits. That is because Heupel traditionally loves to operate in the wide splits and recruits QBs with rockets arms to push the ball across the field quickly. Joey isnt asked to do much of this, especially relatively to Nico/Joe/Hendon.

That's not to say Joey can't succeed in the NFL and be great with the arm and skills he has. Even Joe Burrow's scouting reports all questioned his arm strength. But Burrow throws an elite ball deep, highly accurate, and has great vision of the field, not unlike Joey.

That’s why I mentioned his ability to throw deep outs from the other hash and provided that 50 yard throw on a line video against Kentucky. He has plenty of arm strength. But has other issues.

 

[UT97Vol]

And for everyone if those you took the time to look up we could look up 1 or more that hang and are awful throws/devisions. Difference is I don’t give a shat to take the time. If he’s as great as you think I suppose he’ll be off the board R1.

None of this is a shot at JA. He’s been great for us. I hope he returns. The draft will tell us which one of us is correct.

How is it going to tell us which one is correct? Especially since I don’t think he’s getting drafted. But it’s not because of arm strength. I mean granted he’s not a Joe Milton but who is but him. As I have stated and demonstrated he has enough arm strength but has other things that scouts are going to be concerned about, which is what I stated from the outset in my initial post on this topic.

 

[sami]

Sure, but you see guys in here acting like he's getting all kinds of attention for his good work at UT, but he's not.

The needle essentially hasn't moved on him despite moving up from App State to UT and having a really good year.

He's not a bad QB. His gunslinger reputation isn't well suited to the NFL these days and his tendency, especially at App State, to force throws or make bad decisions under pressure isn't good for the NFL.

The SEC rush is fast but the NFL is an entirely different level of hurried throws and if you can't make good decisions under pressure, you have a big problem at that level.

The knock on Joey A is not his arm, not his grit, not his size...... it's his decision making under pressure. NFL defensive backs are sneaky, smart, and talented. I suspect Joey A gets a look but doesn't test well when under pressure.

And not only that, but NFL coaching staffs are very adept at exposing any weaknesses and scheming to capitalize on them. They can make a player with questionable tendencies look awfully bad in a hurry.

 

[WiseOlVol]

Being a good deep ball thrower does not necessarily equal having good arm strength. At the NFL level, Joey's arm strength will be a concern.

Heupel made significant tweaks to the offense, adding more narrow sets from his traditional wide splits. That is because Heupel traditionally loves to operate in the wide splits and recruits QBs with rockets arms to push the ball across the field quickly. Joey isnt asked to do much of this, especially relatively to Nico/Joe/Hendon.

That's not to say Joey can't succeed in the NFL and be great with the arm and skills he has. Even Joe Burrow's scouting reports all questioned his arm strength. But Burrow throws an elite ball deep, highly accurate, and has great vision of the field, not unlike Joey.

Hall of Fame QBs without Joe Milton arms:

Joe Montana
Steve Young
Drew Brees
Bart Starr
Roger Staubach
Fran Tarkenton
Ken Stabler
Bob Griese
Sonny Jurgensen
John Unitas

 

[StarRaider]

This may be a rehash. Apologies if so. Then disclaimer. This is the Google AI response, "your mileage may vary", but I don't seen anything below that seems incorrect. If it is, correct me! (or google AI, more properly).

Google AI response to "Pavia Lawsuits" (I thought there were two, but there is only one). Further commentary below!


The "Pavia lawsuit" refers to a lawsuit filed by Vanderbilt quarterback Diego Pavia against the NCAA to challenge rules that limit eligibility for athletes who previously attended junior college. The lawsuit argues these rules violate antitrust laws by restricting players' ability to earn Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) compensation and compete at the Division I level. Other athletes, like Tennessee quarterback Joey Aguilar, have joined the suit.

Legal basis: The lawsuit argues that the NCAA's "JUCO Eligibility Limitation Bylaws," specifically the "Five-Year Rule" and "Eligibility Clock," unfairly restrains competition in the labor market for college athletes.

Legal status: A preliminary injunction was granted, allowing Pavia to play in the 2025 season without counting his JUCO years against his eligibility. The NCAA has issued a blanket waiver for the 2025-26 season, but the lawsuit is seeking a more permanent, nationwide change.

Expansion: The lawsuit has been amended to include several other players, including Joey Aguilar, who are also former junior college athletes with eligibility concerns.
Future implications: A successful challenge could permanently alter how the NCAA counts junior college seasons against an athlete's Division I eligibility, potentially allowing many more athletes to have more seasons of competition.

Pavia's future: While the lawsuit is designed to set a precedent, Pavia himself has stated that 2025 will be his final season and he does not plan to seek a seventh year of eligibility.
NCAA's response: The NCAA and power conferences are lobbying Congress to pass legislation that would grant them antitrust protection to set their own eligibility rules and prevent lawsuits like this one.

Commentary: Assuming all of the above is correct, what prevents Joey from asking the courts to extend the injunction another year? Or TWO????

Here is my understanding.

Two years at City College of San Francisco. He has already gotten credit for the one year (2019) he played there as part of the injunction. The other year was the COVID year (2020), and thus does not apply either way to eligibility (NCAA just pretends it never happened one way or the other).

Two years Diablo Valley (2021-2022), which I have confirmed is a two-year school also.

Seems simple to me, he has TWO MORE YEARS, provided the court will grant them.

Tell me I'm wrong!

As for him burning his redshirt at CCSF in 2019...if it don't count, it don't count! Simple logic. Regardless, one more year would be fantastic. Can groom the 5-star while winning a naty (provided our defense returns to 2024 form or some approximation thereof).

Apologize if this all has already been covered, but that AI bot put it all so succinctly, it was an eye opener to me. Anyone else? Or is this old hat? I searched threads, but not long.

 

[vol94fan]

Anyone think Joey has an outside chance to be drafted??

He has been very persistent in his career, overcoming many obstacles. I would not count him out.

 

[Good Ol' Charlie Brown]

Nope. Undrafted free agent at best. Think he ends up in some lessor league or it all ends with his last game for UT.

I'd root for him at the UFL level

 

[INDEFENSE]

The NFL is more of a short to mid range game and I believe he would do fine with some NFL coaching. Chicago has a very good backup they signed to an extension who isn't known for a strong arm but is heady and moves the ball down the field with smart throws. I do believe that a fair amount of JA's interceptions this year are due to WR's falling down and the ball bouncing off the hands of the receivers. the draft picks that tend to fail the most are in fact the ones with the strong arms that never adjust their throws or don't see the field well. Say what you will but IMO JA sees the field and goes through his reads good enough to be drafted. Again Bears bacup was not drafted and got a second contract while several QB's drafted in the first three rounds never see a second contract. This is all to say I believe he has the traits to make an NFL team but as always scouts and GM's make mistakes all the time, there is NO fool proof way to know, not for the NFL and damn straight not for a HS player. I like JA as a QB, with a better defense we are definitely a playoff contender but I for one hope he goes to the draft. I am not a fan of what all this is doing to the college game, he's had his time it's time for others to get their shot.

 

[BanditVol]

I agree, I think he gets another year. But do we really need him another year if those on the roster play as advertised to be. It would be an extra 2 million of nil money? That could go to other positions that we need also on the roster. For these reasons is why I wanted us when we played fla to continue our offense the second half and get the backups in for at least half of 3rd and all of 4th quarter to see more of what we had on the roster.

As to the "other guys", see under "Iamaleava"

 

[Rickyvol77]

Hall of Fame QBs without Joe Milton arms:

Joe Montana
Steve Young
Drew Brees
Bart Starr
Roger Staubach
Fran Tarkenton
Ken Stabler
Bob Griese
Sonny Jurgensen
John Unitas

I agree with your point actually, but this list has too many QBs from the 1960s and 70s....It's a different game today and most of these guys wouldn't be great

 

[NighthawkVol]

Aguilar doesn't have a bad arm. He just doesn't have a cannon. He has enough arm strength, though.

A lot of arm strength (or lack thereof) is the result of mechanics. When Joey got to UT, he had a bad habit of throwing high. That habit still rears its ugly head sometimes, but has been reduced because Heupel and Halzle worked on his mechanics/footwork with him. He wasn't getting that kind of QB development at JUCO/App State.

Remember, he just arrived at the end of May. With a full offseason this year, I bet he can tweak his mechanics even more to improve accuracy and maybe at a tick to his fastball.