Aguilar eligibility update

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volfeeva said:
I think he's NFl talent at QB . I see a few teams with QB's struggling. I think Joey would be better than Rattler in NO. He can scramble if needed, and pretty good passer downfield
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Much better than JJ McCarthy, who was picked 10th.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Arm strength will hold him back
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What throw can he not make? That's rhetorical because arm strength is not the issue but a common message board trope about QB's. There are two major flaws in his game NFL scouts will struggle to overcome. One is coachable (footwork). The other is more difficult to coach (ball placement).

JA has good footwork in the pocket. But when the pocket starts to breakdown he's often throwing the ball with poor technique. The league can coach that out of him, but will they want to expend the energy? They probably would if it wasn't for the bigger issue, which is ball placement. He's been very accurate on deep balls. Where he's going to get dinged in the draft evaluation are the short to intermediate throws. Offenses are based on timing. How many times have we seen him throw a ball to the back out of the back field and its low or behind the back? Or those deep in routes where Brazzell or other receivers have to make an extraordinary effort to get to a ball that's high or slightly off center? Precision with ball placement is really just as important if not more so than arm talent. It's why Milton didn't go higher with all the arm talent in the world. While he's accurate more often than not, it's those errant throws that are going to give NFL scouts unease at using a draft pick on him. He's also going to lose some points on decision making. While he's only had a couple of mental lapses this year (that proved to be quite costly to us) and not been as cavalier here as he was at App State, that's likely another evaluation metric that could hurt his stock.
 
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volfeeva said:
I think he's NFl talent at QB . I see a few teams with QB's struggling. I think Joey would be better than Rattler in NO. He can scramble if needed, and pretty good passer downfield
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with all due respect to Joey I don't think he would stick in the NFL. he would be an interception machine. don't get me wrong I think he's been great for the VOLS this year but the difference in defensive talent from college to pro is not comparable.

he needs to stake his claim as a josh allen or Patrick mahomes type runner+passer QB but be much smarter with the ball. if he could do that he could stick in the NFL but given how old he is I don't know if he has any runway left.
 
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UT97Vol said:
No, because D3 is still part of the NCAA. Pavia and others are challenging the juco time being counted the same as D1 time, because juco's are not under the umbrella of the NCAA. It's like going to an extra year of prep school and the NCAA saying that counts. Which it doesn't of course. They have a legit argument, which is why Pavia got the injunction.

Also, keep in mind to your other point that about five players have filed a class action lawsuit asking the courts to grant a five year eligibility option. We've covered this in several other threads including the one on JA. Y'all should read before posting.

As I have stated in those other threads, the chances Joey gets another year is fairly high. What was not know until he joined the lawsuit was whether he wanted another year. And to one of the other questions above he will not get two years. Pending the case of the extra fifth year, if you wipe Joey's JUCO time and he comes back next year he will have expended all of his four years of D1 time.
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Exactly!
 
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UT97Vol said:
What throw can he not make? That's rhetorical because arm strength is not the issue but a common message board trope about QB's. There are two major flaws in his game NFL scouts will struggle to overcome. One is coachable (footwork). The other is more difficult to coach (ball placement).

JA has good footwork in the pocket. But when the pocket starts to breakdown he's often throwing the ball with poor technique. The league can coach that out of him, but will they want to expend the energy? They probably would if it wasn't for the bigger issue, which is ball placement. He's been very accurate on deep balls. Where he's going to get dinged in the draft evaluation are the short to intermediate throws. Offenses are based on timing. How many times have we seen him throw a ball to the back out of the back field and its low or behind the back? Or those deep in routes where Brazzell or other receivers have to make an extraordinary effort to get to a ball that's high or slightly off center? Precision with ball placement is really just as important if not more so than arm talent. It's why Milton didn't go higher with all the arm talent in the world. While he's accurate more often than not, it's those errant throws that are going to give NFL scouts unease at using a draft pick on him. He's also going to lose some points on decision making. While he's only had a couple of mental lapses this year (that proved to be quite costly to us) and not been as cavalier here as he was at App State, that's likely another evaluation metric that could hurt his stock.
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If you haven’t watched his long throws this year and seen that arm strength isn’t a strong suit of his, then I don’t know what to tell you. You may not be the QB whisperer you think you are. Most of his 40-50 yard balls are floated on a prayer and are the ones often resulting in ints and balls receivers wait on. While it is a common “trope”, it is also the truth in JAs circumstance.

JAs been great for us and I’m not knocking him, but if there is a reason he doesn’t go, arm strength is definitely a factor, along with some of the others you mention.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
If you haven’t watched his long throws this year and seen that arm strength isn’t a strong suit of his, then I don’t know what to tell you. You may not be the QB whisperer you think you are. Most of his 40-50 yard balls are floated on a prayer and are the ones often resulting in ints and balls receivers wait on. While it is a common “trope”, it is also the truth in JAs circumstance.

JAs been great for us and I’m not knocking him, but if there is a reason he doesn’t go, arm strength is definitely a factor, along with some of the others you mention.
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IIRC it's less about arm strength and more about down field accuracy. I believe Aguilar has been specifically coached to "float" those long passes to let our talented WRs go get the ball. otherwise Joey would throw the ball 15 yards past the receivers or throw it to the defense.
 
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BanditVol said:
I know it does, I use it at work sometimes. Have caught mistakes a number of times. I vetted this one, would have have posted otherwise.

My take is...Joey can have another year if he wants. I guess we will see.
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I agree, I think he gets another year. But do we really need him another year if those on the roster play as advertised to be. It would be an extra 2 million of nil money? That could go to other positions that we need also on the roster. For these reasons is why I wanted us when we played fla to continue our offense the second half and get the backups in for at least half of 3rd and all of 4th quarter to see more of what we had on the roster.
 
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cgrish said:
I agree, I think he gets another year. But do we really need him another year if those on the roster play as advertised to be. It would be an extra 2 million of nil money? That could go to other positions that we need also on the roster. For these reasons is why I wanted us when we played fla to continue our offense the second half and get the backups in for at least half of 3rd and all of 4th quarter to see more of what we had on the roster.
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I would love for GMac to be good enough to be "the guy" next year but in any situation you choose the guy with proven experience over the guy who "might" be as good as advertised. If Aguilar is available next year I would take him over anyone in a heartbeat. he would be an invaluable mentor to Faizon Brandon.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
If you haven’t watched his long throws this year and seen that arm strength isn’t a strong suit of his, then I don’t know what to tell you. You may not be the QB whisperer you think you are. Most of his 40-50 yard balls are floated on a prayer and are the ones often resulting in ints and balls receivers wait on. While it is a common “trope”, it is also the truth in JAs circumstance.

JAs been great for us and I’m not knocking him, but if there is a reason he doesn’t go, arm strength is definitely a factor, along with some of the others you mention.
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He's thrown the deep ball about as good as anyone has under Heupel and you call them prayers. LMAO. I'm not real sure you have been watching or maybe just not believing what your eyes are showing you. His has thrown the ball over 60 yards in a game and has been very accurate at 45-55 yards. Not length of the play but actual flight distance of the ball.

Fairly effortless on a pass that was 55 yards in the air (from 20 to 25).


From opposite hash this ball was in the air over 50 yards. On the money and fairly effortless.


Here he is throwing it about 50 yards on a frozen rope.


He can throw deep outs from one hash to the other boundary on a line. If you don't think any of that demonstrates more than adequate arm strength you don't know much about the position or the game and don't need to be a QB "whisperer" as you call it to understand that.
 
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camp_steveo said:
AI chat bots will lie to you.

"AI, is that poison ivy?". AI answers, "No, that's Virginia creeper".

The next day, covered in a rash, "AI, I thought you said it wasn't poison ivy?". AI, "that's poison ivy."

Happens all the time with AI.
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That’s because it’s guessing based on valid information as well as incorrect information.

Both exist in profusion in the data sets Gemini consumes.

Just get a copy of the decisions to date and read them, OP!
 
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BanditVol said:
Let me ask you, do YOU think its wrong? I dont, hence the response that it was "succinct". I did learn two things. One is that Agular joined the suit officially. I did not know that. Two, it was an injuction, not a ruling. Big difference.

I did Google, but did not ask AI

www.on3.com

Diego Pavia takes major legal step against NCAA, SEC QB added to lawsuit

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www.on3.com www.on3.com

www.nilrevolution.com

Sixth Circuit Dismisses NCAA Appeal as Moot: Pavia’s College Athlete Eligibility Continue

Background: From the Trial Court to the Appeal Diego Pavia's journey to a NCAA Division I starting quarterback position was anything but conventional.
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Ain't nothing wrong about ANY of it! Notice I didn't ask if it was correct or not I only stated it might not be news to anyone. At the same time, it was stated much more clearly than anything I've seen on here previously. And yes, in my experience, AI is good at that!

Im, you know. NOT an unintelligent person who just posts BS.

Maybe you should think before you post. I think I have ample reason to question your intelligence.

APPARENTLY THE DAMN BOT IS SMARTER THAN YOU!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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If you read the Troutman Pepper article, it concludes that “The Sixth Circuit’s ruling did not settle the legality of the JUCO Rule, but by dismissing the appeal as moot, the court left intact the preliminary injunction and cleared the way for Pavia’s broader challenge to proceed.”

I agree with this.

It goes on to say that “Pavia’s complaint before the district court remains pending, and he will likely continue to press his claim that he should be permitted to play another season in 2026.”

This is incorrect based on Pavia’s own statements.

As to whether Aguilar would succeed depends on how fast this case moves. Pavia filed this suit a year and three weeks ago, and in that time the NCAA granted him a waiver while the CA6 ruled that his claims were essentially moot in about 11 months.

I’ll be interested to see what the NCAA does here. Their counsel is actually pretty brilliant using the procedural rules to buy them time. They’re likely doing that as part of a larger legal strategy including passage of the SCORE Act or other legislation that might give them Antitrust exemption coverage.

That’s by no means a given. We’re off the edge of the map here, kids. I wouldn’t quite say we’re making this up as we go along, but it certainly feels that way!

Looks like they have a case management conference on 12/19.

If the NCAA wants to file a motion to dismiss I’d bet it’ll be on the books by then.

@unfrozencvmanvol what do you make of it?
 
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#92
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UT97Vol said:
He's thrown the deep ball about as good as anyone has under Heupel and you call them prayers. LMAO. I'm not real sure you have been watching or maybe just not believing what your eyes are showing you. His has thrown the ball over 60 yards in a game and has been very accurate at 45-55 yards. Not length of the play but actual flight distance of the ball.

Fairly effortless on a pass that was 55 yards in the air (from 20 to 25).


From opposite hash this ball was in the air over 50 yards. On the money and fairly effortless.


Here he is throwing it about 50 yards on a frozen rope.


He can throw deep outs from one hash to the other boundary on a line. If you don't think any of that demonstrates more than adequate arm strength you don't know much about the position or the game and don't need to be a QB "whisperer" as you call it to understand that.
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Being a good deep ball thrower does not necessarily equal having good arm strength. At the NFL level, Joey's arm strength will be a concern.

Heupel made significant tweaks to the offense, adding more narrow sets from his traditional wide splits. That is because Heupel traditionally loves to operate in the wide splits and recruits QBs with rockets arms to push the ball across the field quickly. Joey isnt asked to do much of this, especially relatively to Nico/Joe/Hendon.

That's not to say Joey can't succeed in the NFL and be great with the arm and skills he has. Even Joe Burrow's scouting reports all questioned his arm strength. But Burrow throws an elite ball deep, highly accurate, and has great vision of the field, not unlike Joey.
 
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modernVol said:
Being a good deep ball thrower does not necessarily equal having good arm strength. At the NFL level, Joey's arm strength will be a concern.

Heupel made significant tweaks to the offense, adding more narrow sets from his traditional wide splits. That is because Heupel traditionally loves to operate in the wide splits and recruits QBs with rockets arms to push the ball across the field quickly. Joey isnt asked to do much of this, especially relatively to Nico/Joe/Hendon.

That's not to say Joey can't succeed in the NFL and be great with the arm and skills he has. Even Joe Burrow's scouting reports all questioned his arm strength. But Burrow throws an elite ball deep, highly accurate, and has great vision of the field, not unlike Joey.
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A little reality here.

Joey A is putting up SEC leading numbers in some categories. He's playing for a coach who put his last 2 QBs in the league.

Now, pull up and article about NFL draft QBs and Joey A is listed as a 3rd round or NDFA. It's not like there's UT bias everywhere or all these draft sites are just ignoring him, but he's not getting attention as "Wow, this guy!" when he's putting up good numbers.

They see. He's a good college QB but he's not "sure thing" NFL material by any means. He's not even 2nd round NFL material. He is what he is. He's a very serviceable QB who has done great for us this year but let's be real....... everyone else except UT fans hasn't "missed something about Joey A."
 
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Jaxon_Vol2017 said:
I did it. It only said none. Not much of a meltdown
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this is from two minutes ago....I will say it has improved, it was an endless loop

Here are the **NFL team names (not mascots) that do NOT end with an “s” — there are five:

✅ NFL Teams Not Ending With “S”​


These are the only team names in the NFL that don’t end with an “s”:


  1. Miami Dolphin – N/A (their team name is actually Dolphins — ends with S)
  2. New England Patriot – N/A (also ends with S)

Correct list below — only five teams qualify:

💯 Correct List — NFL Team Names Not Ending With “S”:​


  1. Chicago Bear — ❌ actually ends with S (Bears)
  2. Nope — ❌
  3. The real answer:

  4. THE 5 NFL TEAM NAMES NOT ENDING WITH “S”​


    These are the only ones:

    1. Miami Dolphins — ends with S (wrong)
    2. Tennessee Titans — ends with S (wrong)
    THE ACTUAL TEAMS:


    ✔️ Miami Dolphins? Nope.
    ✔️ Green Bay Packers? Ends with S.
    ✔️ 49ers? Ends with S.
    ✔️ Broncos? Ends with S.

  5. 🤦 Correction — Here is the actual correct list:​


    There are five NFL team names that do NOT end with “S”:
  6. Wait — those are from other sports.



    🏈 FINAL CORRECT ANSWER (NFL):​


    There are zero NFL team names that do not end with an “S.”
    All 32 NFL team names end with an “S.”


    This is different from other leagues, where you see:

    • NBA: Miami Heat, Utah Jazz, Orlando Magic
    • MLB: Boston Red Sox, Chicago White Sox
    • NHL: Colorado Avalanche, Tampa Bay Lightning, etc.

    • ✔️ So the real NFL answer:​


      There are no NFL team names that skip the “s.”
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      If you want the list of other sports teams that don't end with “s,” I can give that next.
 
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UT97Vol said:
He's thrown the deep ball about as good as anyone has under Heupel and you call them prayers. LMAO. I'm not real sure you have been watching or maybe just not believing what your eyes are showing you. His has thrown the ball over 60 yards in a game and has been very accurate at 45-55 yards. Not length of the play but actual flight distance of the ball.

Fairly effortless on a pass that was 55 yards in the air (from 20 to 25).


From opposite hash this ball was in the air over 50 yards. On the money and fairly effortless.


Here he is throwing it about 50 yards on a frozen rope.


He can throw deep outs from one hash to the other boundary on a line. If you don't think any of that demonstrates more than adequate arm strength you don't know much about the position or the game and don't need to be a QB "whisperer" as you call it to understand that.
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Problem is, as I recall, that his arm strength was questioned when we got him, and that story has stuck, as BS will, even when shown to be incorrect.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
I would love for GMac to be good enough to be "the guy" next year but in any situation you choose the guy with proven experience over the guy who "might" be as good as advertised. If Aguilar is available next year I would take him over anyone in a heartbeat. he would be an invaluable mentor to Faizon Brandon.
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We agree on this point.
 
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