Aguilar eligibility update

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This may be a rehash. Apologies if so. Then disclaimer. This is the Google AI response, "your mileage may vary", but I don't seen anything below that seems incorrect. If it is, correct me! (or google AI, more properly).

Google AI response to "Pavia Lawsuits" (I thought there were two, but there is only one). Further commentary below!


The "Pavia lawsuit" refers to a lawsuit filed by Vanderbilt quarterback Diego Pavia against the NCAA to challenge rules that limit eligibility for athletes who previously attended junior college. The lawsuit argues these rules violate antitrust laws by restricting players' ability to earn Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) compensation and compete at the Division I level. Other athletes, like Tennessee quarterback Joey Aguilar, have joined the suit.

Legal basis: The lawsuit argues that the NCAA's "JUCO Eligibility Limitation Bylaws," specifically the "Five-Year Rule" and "Eligibility Clock," unfairly restrains competition in the labor market for college athletes.

Legal status: A preliminary injunction was granted, allowing Pavia to play in the 2025 season without counting his JUCO years against his eligibility. The NCAA has issued a blanket waiver for the 2025-26 season, but the lawsuit is seeking a more permanent, nationwide change.

Expansion: The lawsuit has been amended to include several other players, including Joey Aguilar, who are also former junior college athletes with eligibility concerns.
Future implications: A successful challenge could permanently alter how the NCAA counts junior college seasons against an athlete's Division I eligibility, potentially allowing many more athletes to have more seasons of competition.

Pavia's future: While the lawsuit is designed to set a precedent, Pavia himself has stated that 2025 will be his final season and he does not plan to seek a seventh year of eligibility.
NCAA's response: The NCAA and power conferences are lobbying Congress to pass legislation that would grant them antitrust protection to set their own eligibility rules and prevent lawsuits like this one.

Commentary: Assuming all of the above is correct, what prevents Joey from asking the courts to extend the injunction another year? Or TWO????

Here is my understanding.

Two years at City College of San Francisco. He has already gotten credit for the one year (2019) he played there as part of the injunction. The other year was the COVID year (2020), and thus does not apply either way to eligibility (NCAA just pretends it never happened one way or the other).

Two years Diablo Valley (2021-2022), which I have confirmed is a two-year school also.

Seems simple to me, he has TWO MORE YEARS, provided the court will grant them.

Tell me I'm wrong!

As for him burning his redshirt at CCSF in 2019...if it don't count, it don't count! Simple logic. Regardless, one more year would be fantastic. Can groom the 5-star while winning a naty (provided our defense returns to 2024 form or some approximation thereof).

Apologize if this all has already been covered, but that AI bot put it all so succinctly, it was an eye opener to me. Anyone else? Or is this old hat? I searched threads, but not long.
 
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I find AI offensive
I consider social media a pox on society...a scourge...a curse. But it will look like a Sunday social compared to the impact AI will have on society. It's already made "truth" nearly extinct. People now have to question everything. Someone said a few years ago that truth would eventually be the most valuable thing on the Internet. That's the truth.

Just wait until it is used as a weapon and a tool for controlling us. It's coming.
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You asked the AI to tell you everything else. Why not just ask the AI to tell you why you're wrong?

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Let me ask you, do YOU think its wrong? I dont, hence the response that it was "succinct". I did learn two things. One is that Agular joined the suit officially. I did not know that. Two, it was an injuction, not a ruling. Big difference.

I did Google, but did not ask AI




Ain't nothing wrong about ANY of it! Notice I didn't ask if it was correct or not I only stated it might not be news to anyone. At the same time, it was stated much more clearly than anything I've seen on here previously. And yes, in my experience, AI is good at that!

Im, you know. NOT an unintelligent person who just posts BS.

Maybe you should think before you post. I think I have ample reason to question your intelligence.

APPARENTLY THE DAMN BOT IS SMARTER THAN YOU!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
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Let me ask you, do YOU think its wrong? I dont, hence the response that it was "succinct". I did learn two things. One is that Agular joined the suit officially. I did not know that. Two, it was an injuction, not a ruling. Big difference.

I did Google, but did not ask AI




Ain't nothing wrong about ANY of it! Notice I didn't ask if it was correct or not I only stated it might not be news to anyone. At the same time, it was stated much more clearly than anything I've seen on here previously. And yes, in my experience, AI is good at that!

Im, you know. NOT an unintelligent person who just posts BS.

Maybe you should think before you post. I think I have ample reason to question your intelligence.

APPARENTLY THE DAMN BOT IS SMARTER THAN YOU!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I have no idea if you're right or wrong. You said "Tell me I'm wrong." I said why not just ask the AI to tell you why you're wrong. I don't know what it would say, It's a joke about just having the AI do the work, rather than asking other people to do the work. And maybe a bit of a joke about asking the AI to evaluate its own work. The AI could say its work was flawless; that'd be pretty funny I suppose. But I don't know, and the moment has passed, frankly.

Don't know why that warrants "questioning my intelligence" but you do you.
 
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AI chat bots will lie to you.

"AI, is that poison ivy?". AI answers, "No, that's Virginia creeper".

The next day, covered in a rash, "AI, I thought you said it wasn't poison ivy?". AI, "that's poison ivy."

Happens all the time with AI.
 
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This may be a rehash. Apologies if so. Then disclaimer. This is the Google AI response, "your mileage may vary", but I don't seen anything below that seems incorrect. If it is, correct me! (or google AI, more properly).

Google AI response to "Pavia Lawsuits" (I thought there were two, but there is only one). Further commentary below!


The "Pavia lawsuit" refers to a lawsuit filed by Vanderbilt quarterback Diego Pavia against the NCAA to challenge rules that limit eligibility for athletes who previously attended junior college. The lawsuit argues these rules violate antitrust laws by restricting players' ability to earn Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) compensation and compete at the Division I level. Other athletes, like Tennessee quarterback Joey Aguilar, have joined the suit.

Legal basis: The lawsuit argues that the NCAA's "JUCO Eligibility Limitation Bylaws," specifically the "Five-Year Rule" and "Eligibility Clock," unfairly restrains competition in the labor market for college athletes.

Legal status: A preliminary injunction was granted, allowing Pavia to play in the 2025 season without counting his JUCO years against his eligibility. The NCAA has issued a blanket waiver for the 2025-26 season, but the lawsuit is seeking a more permanent, nationwide change.

Expansion: The lawsuit has been amended to include several other players, including Joey Aguilar, who are also former junior college athletes with eligibility concerns.
Future implications: A successful challenge could permanently alter how the NCAA counts junior college seasons against an athlete's Division I eligibility, potentially allowing many more athletes to have more seasons of competition.

Pavia's future: While the lawsuit is designed to set a precedent, Pavia himself has stated that 2025 will be his final season and he does not plan to seek a seventh year of eligibility.
NCAA's response: The NCAA and power conferences are lobbying Congress to pass legislation that would grant them antitrust protection to set their own eligibility rules and prevent lawsuits like this one.

Commentary: Assuming all of the above is correct, what prevents Joey from asking the courts to extend the injunction another year? Or TWO????

Here is my understanding.

Two years at City College of San Francisco. He has already gotten credit for the one year (2019) he played there as part of the injunction. The other year was the COVID year (2020), and thus does not apply either way to eligibility (NCAA just pretends it never happened one way or the other).

Two years Diablo Valley (2021-2022), which I have confirmed is a two-year school also.

Seems simple to me, he has TWO MORE YEARS, provided the court will grant them.

Tell me I'm wrong!

As for him burning his redshirt at CCSF in 2019...if it don't count, it don't count! Simple logic. Regardless, one more year would be fantastic. Can groom the 5-star while winning a naty (provided our defense returns to 2024 form or some approximation thereof).

Apologize if this all has already been covered, but that AI bot put it all so succinctly, it was an eye opener to me. Anyone else? Or is this old hat? I searched threads, but not long.
I'm lost, why would they grant him two years if it's agreed four is the maximum? City College is a junior college just like Diablo. He played two years at App State, then one at UT. That leaves one more year as a possibility, if granted. The whole issue is should junior college eligibility be assessed against someone, when there is little to no possibility for NIL benefits. It punishes those who attended JC unfairly vis a vis those who went straight to a four year college. Am I wrong?
 
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I'm lost, why would they grant him two years if it's agreed four is the maximum? City College is a junior college just like Diablo. He played two years at App State, then one at UT. That leaves one more year as a possibility, if granted. The whole issue is should junior college eligibility be assessed against someone, when there is little to no possibility for NIL benefits. It punishes those who attended JC unfairly vis a vis those who went straight to a four year college. Am I wrong?
So, could a player who played D3, with little chance of NIL, argue that they deserve to be able to sign and play 4 years of D1 if offered because of NIL opportunities?

What about a player who played in the pre-NIL era, should they be able to come back because to not let them play now denies them NIL opportunities?

What you're doing is eroding the "timing out" of players in college, so when players begin to sue to play beyond 4 or 5 years because the NCAA is "denying them NIL opportunities" what's your answer? Why just 4 or 5 years? Why not 10?
 
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Interesting question, can we afford to pay Joey what he'd be worth for an extra year AND pay the top QB recruit??? Not to mention all the money tied up on the OL - wait, our defense also needs help!
 
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So, could a player who played D3, with little chance of NIL, argue that they deserve to be able to sign and play 4 years of D1 if offered because of NIL opportunities?

What about a player who played in the pre-NIL era, should they be able to come back because to not let them play now denies them NIL opportunities?

What you're doing is eroding the "timing out" of players in college, so when players begin to sue to play beyond 4 or 5 years because the NCAA is "denying them NIL opportunities" what's your answer? Why just 4 or 5 years? Why not 10?
Hey, I was just giving my understanding of what the suit is about. Show up in court and plead your case.
 
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AI chat bots will lie to you.

"AI, is that poison ivy?". AI answers, "No, that's Virginia creeper".

The next day, covered in a rash, "AI, I thought you said it wasn't poison ivy?". AI, "that's poison ivy."

Happens all the time with AI.
I know it does, I use it at work sometimes. Have caught mistakes a number of times. I vetted this one, would have have posted otherwise.

My take is...Joey can have another year if he wants. I guess we will see.
 
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I'm lost, why would they grant him two years if it's agreed four is the maximum? City College is a junior college just like Diablo. He played two years at App State, then one at UT. That leaves one more year as a possibility, if granted. The whole issue is should junior college eligibility be assessed against someone, when there is little to no possibility for NIL benefits. It punishes those who attended JC unfairly vis a vis those who went straight to a four year college. Am I wrong?
My understanding is, he has FOUR years of JUCO, but one is gone due to COVID and does not count either way. Thus, he has, effectively, three years of JUCO, and three of D1. He has been given back ONE year of JUCO.

Thus, two remain. He could win back one or two. IMO.

I'll settle for one. ;)
 
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I have no idea if you're right or wrong. You said "Tell me I'm wrong." I said why not just ask the AI to tell you why you're wrong. I don't know what it would say, It's a joke about just having the AI do the work, rather than asking other people to do the work. And maybe a bit of a joke about asking the AI to evaluate its own work. The AI could say its work was flawless; that'd be pretty funny I suppose. But I don't know, and the moment has passed, frankly.

Don't know why that warrants "questioning my intelligence" but you do you.
Okay, if it was a joke. Didn't come across that way. Sounded like you were accusing me of not vetting it prior to posting. I did, of course. I know AI can be wrong, all it does is aggregate information that is already out there.
 
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I’m going on nothing other than the recent rulings that have left pretty much every previous NCAA rule null and void when it comes to the student athlete relationship but based on how the Supreme Court has ruled on other areas I think Joey gets it and the 5 years to play rule is dead and as long as a student is enrolled they will be eligible.

The next step is they are no longer even students and just paid players to represent the school in the same way a coach is. Minor league football similar to AAA baseball farm teams.
 
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I’m going on nothing other than the recent rulings that have left pretty much every previous NCAA rule null and void when it comes to the student athlete relationship but based on how the Supreme Court has ruled on other areas I think Joey gets it and the 5 years to play rule is dead and as long as a student is enrolled they will be eligible.

The next step is they are no longer even students and just paid players to represent the school in the same way a coach is. Minor league football similar to AAA baseball farm teams.
I fear you are correct. Pandora's Box has been opened & is running rampant. 🙁
 
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I know it does, I use it at work sometimes. Have caught mistakes a number of times. I vetted this one, would have have posted otherwise.

My take is...Joey can have another year if he wants. I guess we will see.
I agree with you. Just wanted to point that out. I wasn't trying to be critical.

If we get Aguilar back the sky is the limit.
 
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I hope the lawsuit fails and JA moves on with his life. If the ruling goes their way it will be <5 years before someone wants to continue to play as long as they are enrolled in college. Then another lawsuit and before we know it we have 33 year old men playing collegiate sports. It needs to stop and i hope it stops now.

If the ruling goes their way, hopefully Congress will enact laws allowing the NCAA to have some power again. Which is not something i hoped to ever say.
 
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I consider social media a pox on society...a scourge...a curse. But it will look like a Sunday social compared to the impact AI will have on society. It's already made "truth" nearly extinct. People now have to question everything. Someone said a few years ago that truth would eventually be the most valuable thing on the Internet. That's the truth.

Just wait until it is used as a weapon and a tool for controlling us. It's coming.
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While i do agree with you regarding AI..the Mr Rogers and Bob Ross AI vids ate freaking hilarious and are probably AI at its peak.
 
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