Academic report from GVX....

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StlCardinals2618 said:
Their grades could have dropped badly because of bad final grade scores, some teachers don't even focus on grades until the very end of the semester. We really don't know what happened.
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True if we were talking about just a small number but again this is widespread.
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#528
#528
zjcvols said:
Let's see. In the 23 months he took over, football academics are worse than they previously were...that says something.
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For one I dont know if they are worse, but lets assume they are. Why wouldn't they be considering all that has gone on and the shape he found the program? Are you ignoring that?

Lets call a spade a spade here. If he had gone 10-2 the past 2 years would you even be arguing this point?
 
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jp1 said:
For one I dont know if they are worse, but lets assume they are. Why wouldn't they be considering all that has gone on and the shape he found the program? Are you ignoring that?

Lets call a spade a spade here. If he had gone 10-2 the past 2 years would you even be arguing this point?
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Yes and no. I'm not going to lie. Despite the fact I want UT athletes to be students first, it's not going to happen on a consistent basis. So yes, it's an issue because it is depressing to see that. But no, it would be on the backburner and it wouldn't be that big of an issue. However, I think it does hurt the VFL program, which is used as the biggest recruiting tool here, and has an impact.
 
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zjcvols said:
Yes and no. I'm not going to lie. Despite the fact I want UT athletes to be students first, it's not going to happen on a consistent basis. So yes, it's an issue because it is depressing to see that. But no, it would be on the backburner and it wouldn't be that big of an issue. However, I think it does hurt the VFL program, which is used as the biggest recruiting tool here, and has an impact.
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Dooley's good at excuses:), it shouldn't matter too much if we are winning.
 
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#533
StlCardinals2618 said:
Is it that crazy to think though that around 30 players had 60-70% range on their grades and 20 of them failed their finals?
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The support staff is paid to monitor exactly where these kids are in EVERY class. If there was issues with potential classes being failed then DD knew about it. If he didn't the support staff should have already been fired.
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jp1 said:
Well you can either count the outgoing class or the incoming class.
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The outgoing class wasn't listed in the 24 number to my knowledge. If they were then 40% is too high. If not then roughly 40% are at issue.
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BruinVol said:
The support staff is paid to monitor exactly where these kids are in EVERY class. If there was issues with potential classes being failed then DD knew about it. If he didn't the support staff should have already been fired.
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There is so many variables in this that we don't know. Dooley may have known, the players may have studied hard, but still failed. We really don't know.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
There is so many variables in this that we don't know. Dooley may have known, the players may have studied hard, but still failed. We really don't know.
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I am sure a few of the kids at issue have given their best effort. I understand a 2.0 is a real achievement for a small number of kids. But again too many kids are at issue!
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BruinVol said:
I am sure a few of the kids at issue have given their best effort. I understand a 2.0 is a real achievement for a small number of kids. But again too many kids are at issue!
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We aren't going to agree on this. I believe at some point responsibility has to be put on the players. Effort on and off the field is on their shoulders IMO.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
We aren't going to agree on this. I believe at some point responsibility has to be put on the players. Effort on and off the field is on their shoulders IMO.
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I don't completely disagree with you. For a kid like Hughes I agree its up to the kid to change. I just don't believe we have 24 kids like him we are discussing here.
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BruinVol said:
I don't completely disagree with you. For a kid like Hughes I agree its up to the kid to change. I just don't believe we have 24 kids like him we are discussing here.
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Im not saying we do either, but players like Bray and Rogers party a lot. With how the season went, and the emotional trainwreck that they went through, Im sure it was hard on a lot of players so they probably weren't as focused as they needed to be. The locker room was disfunctional, its not hard to imagine that the players weren't exactly completely buying in to the coaches. If they don't get this fixed in this semester, which I heard is already good, or the summer then I will consider it a problem.
 
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#545
This is probably not going to be well received, but I look at it as it is the coaches job to keep people eligible but not anything beyond that. He is getting paid to win football games not have 4.0 students. As long as they are eligible come fall, I don't really care how many are on probation right now. If the students themselves want to be above the NCAA minimum then that is their responsibility to put in that work.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Im not saying we do either, but players like Bray and Rogers party a lot. With how the season went, and the emotional trainwreck that they went through, Im sure it was hard on a lot of players so they probably weren't as focused as they needed to be. The locker room was disfunctional, its not hard to imagine that the players weren't exactly completely buying in to the coaches. If they don't get this fixed in this semester, which I heard is already good, or the summer then I will consider it a problem.
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There's a guy being paid two million dollars a year to keep these things from happening.
 
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vol2013 said:
This is probably not going to be well received, but I look at it as it is the coaches job to keep people eligible but not anything beyond that. He is getting paid to win football games not have 4.0 students. As long as they are eligible come fall, I don't really care how many are on probation right now. If the students themselves want to be above the NCAA minimum then that is their responsibility to put in that work.
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That's fine I guess - but most of these guys don't have a future in the NFL... certainly not all of the 24 that are in trouble.. their futures depend on staying in school and getting a degree.
 
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#549
justingroves said:
There's a guy being paid two million dollars a year to keep these things from happening.
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It happens a lot. Players having to play for a coach that they didn't come to play for. Add to that fact that in the past 2 years, Dooley has been the farthest thing from a player's coach its really not that shocking. It happens quite a bit with new unproven coaches though.
 
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