4 Dollar Gas

#76
#76
rwemyss said:
I agree. Just thought I'd head it off before it did. Cleaning up threads where it gets to name calling isn't fun.

I see two people who disagree and neither budges... no sense in beating the dead horse.
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i actually take that a little personal. I like kiddiedoc, seems like a good guy. I'd never resort to name calling on him just because we have differing views on the gas price problem.
 
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#83
People who own a boat know this, but most others don't. Boat is really an acronym. It stands for (b)reak (o)ut (a)nother (t)housand.
 
#84
#84
kiddiedoc said:
Thanks for the hint of relativity. I just don't understand how a reasonable notice of price inflation suddenly turns into a war upon the bourgeoisie.
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an Immanuel Kant reference, try and work in "proletariat" next...

nice job
 
#85
#85
So am I out of line complaining about the price to fill up my gasoline powered, gold-plated, diamond encrusted nose hair trimmer?

I got it at Bourgeoisie's R Us
 
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#90
all this sort of reminds me about John Edwards' blathering on about two Americas.
 
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#91
kev20 said:
Wasting even more money. I'm pretty sure cars will still run fine on lesser grades.

But, since my dad and I were talking about this very fact yesterday, I will ask you all here. Are there seperate tanks in the ground at the gas station for the different grades of fuel? Or, are they seperated in the big tankers that come to fill up the tanks in the ground? Where does the process happen?
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Actually, I have done work on my engine and engine control computer's fuel mapping to increase both power and mileage. It requires the use of 92 octane. My engine would last maybe two oil changes (I do them every 2,000 miles) on 87 octane gas. That also has to do with the fact that Oregon and Washington have basically the worst standards for fuel in the country. Most companies with decent gasoline here (Texaco, Shell, Chevron, some 76 stations; none of that Space Age or Arco crap) put extra detergents in higher octane fuel that not only make your car run better should you need it, but also promote the long-term cleanliness of any engine. Like I said, that's just the case here.

Different octane fuels always stay separate.

rwemyss said:
Not necessarily true. For naturally aspirated engines, your assumption would be correct for the most part. On turbo/supercharged engines it is a completely different story... also depends on how the ECU was tuned at the factory.

Can my turbocharged car run on 87? Sure can, but you will find that the engine doesn't run as smooth, and can have preignition problems (early detonation).
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(This is more of a general statement, Wemus; not directed at you) higher octane rating basically means a fuel's ability to resist combustion. The higher the rating, the better the combustion. This works particularly well for things like forced induction engines, or high compression engines, where you're basically cramming a lot more air/fuel mixture in to a smaller space. In this case, regular unleaded will blow up before it's supposed to, which essentially causes you to lose power. Long term, this sort of thing can actually damage pistons and even cylinder walls. I would call it absolutely necessary to run 92 octane fuel on forced induction cars.
 
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milohimself said:
(This is more of a general statement, Wemus; not directed at you) higher octane rating basically means a fuel's ability to resist combustion. The higher the rating, the better the combustion. This works particularly well for things like forced induction engines, or high compression engines, where you're basically cramming a lot more air/fuel mixture in to a smaller space. In this case, regular unleaded will blow up before it's supposed to, which essentially causes you to lose power. Long term, this sort of thing can actually damage pistons and even cylinder walls. I would call it absolutely necessary to run 92 octane fuel on forced induction cars.
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No problem. I do believe you just expanded on what I said. :) :good!:
 
#93
#93
BigPapaVol said:
How do you know he's not filming the Deadliest Catch on weekends?
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i'm fairly certain that if he was using his boat for anything other than leisurely enjoyment, he would have said that way back at the beginning of this debate.

that said, i see what you're saying.
 
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#98
I decided to share my own personal adjustment to the gas situation. I have a Mazda 626 that is almost 10 years old (I bought it new the day we beat Florida in '98). It has been a good car for me and has no real resale value, so I kept it around as the third emergency car when I got my truck a couple of years ago ('03 Silverado Z71 Extended cab).

I have been driving the truck as my primary vehicle lately and honestly hadn't driven the 626 in about 9 months. When I filled up my truck last Friday it cost me 93 bucks (87 octane). The next day I took my car in for a tune up and new battery. Now the truck is the emergency vehicle or when we ride together as a whole family.
 
#99
#99
volfanbill said:
i just struggle to understand how you can complain about it if all you're going to do is help fuel the problem even more. No pun intended there, it's just too late for me to come up with a better word.

It is a completely different thing in my mind to be struggling to fill up your hyundai or toyota or whatever fuel economy car you are driving just so you can make it to work in order to afford shelter, food and health care for your family than it is to be complaining when you are filling up sports cars and Hummers and boats.
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I'd imagine that kiddiedoc works hard and bought the boat and Hummer at a time when the cost of fuel was not a threat to the livelihood of his family. Times have changed. What once was affordable is now expensive. That's a justifiable complaint.
 
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