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[LadyVol1908]

Anyone who takes anything from WER seriously is clearly not interested in reality.
Donnie Woods is a clickbait machine, not a purveyor of fact.

I do have to say, that account LOVES Caldwell and her system now. They used to throw shade at Tennessee all the time. Now most of the shade is towards Dawn and South Carolina!

 

[chuckiepoo]

I do have to say, that account LOVES Caldwell and her system now. They used to throw shade at Tennessee all the time. Now most of the shade is towards Dawn and South Carolina!

It’s all about the clicks…

 

[madtownvol]

Probably coming up with overuse from that time the coach said the disastrous late season slide was due to overuse. Honestly admitted she underestimated the physical demands and would adjust for that next yr.

Everyone could see and said they were spent physically and mentally. That’s why the two weeks btw tourneys was golden for them

The sports physiology of CKC's "system" is a little questionable. First, we need to clarify her subbing patterns which were not entirely consistent. She subbed less frequently later in the game, particularly in the 4th quarter and some games, her subbing patterns were overall less frenetic than in others.

None the less, she had more than a few games, where starters were subbed in less than 90 seconds and then players from the 2nd wave were subbed in less than a minute. I also tracked times when Tess, as one example, was in the game for 30 seconds, and so on.

I see value in the general idea. Players play in short intense spurts and the changing line-ups can have a disruptive effect on teams-- analytically it can be just as effective at breaking up a run as the magic time out.

But any athlete knows, it is a stressful on the body to come in and out of a game in a minute or 90 seconds. Muscles are just starting to get warmed up and boom your out and then have to come back in to high intensity action immediately.

Anyone doubting that this in and out pattern is subobtimal - try this: sprint 30 yards as hard you can then sit down wait 30 seconds, get up and sprint again 30 yards, sit for 30 seconds and then sprint again (at this point, you will have pulled a hamstring or some other muscle, so actually don't do this).

If CKC is going to continue in this system, she really needs to replace the conventional bench seats with exercise bikes so her core players can stay lose during their time off.

Physiogically, players would do better with 3-5 minute rotations.

 

[mudcat1973]

So judge stealing my idea
Must be volnation reader
On grandfather walk-ons in all sports in

Not exactly. The judge said she would prefer that they grandfather in existing student-athletes that would be cut from teams if roster limits were imposed. She did not make that a term or requirement of approving the settlement.

 

[Poultrygeist]

Kylee Kitts from UF is in the portal. The younger sister of Chloe is 2 inches taller at 6'4" with more meat on her bones. Supposedly a better shooter than her sister and has a do not contact label. Can't imagine she would come to SC as sisters they've competed against each other all their lives. I think Dawn wants the big girl from MSU.

 

[VintageFan]

What evidence do you have that backs up this statement?

There's no proof that any players or prospects are reluctant to commit to Tennessee because of Kim's system. But there's no proof that some aren't. And there's not likely to be any “proof” or “source” for either argument outside of the usual “someone told me that someone said” nonsense.

Similarly, the impressive incoming freshmen may be all that the Lady Vols need – or they may not. They might be unhappy if too many top portal players are brought in before they have a chance to learn the system and show what they can do – or they might not. There's no proof available now for either thesis.

Kim might change her system next year. Or she may not.

Do the LVs need more offense or more defense? More guards that can shoot threes or more tall forwards and centers who can run the floor?

Hey, there's not much else to do (unless you want to go on X and argue politics!) so let's keep the good-natured opinions and conjectures coming until we see what actually happens.

 

[LadyVol1908]

Physiogically, players would do better with 3-5 minute rotations.

This!!!! I’m actually a big fan of the mass substitutions, just not the frequency! I’ve always said I would run a similar system if I ever coached basketball, but instead in intervals of 3-5 minutes. The 30-90 seconds just doesn’t make sense to me, physically or mentally.

 

[Ladyvols4ever!]

This!!!! I’m actually a big fan of the mass substitutions, just not the frequency! I’ve always said I would run a similar system if I ever coached basketball, but instead in intervals of 3-5 minutes. The 30-90 seconds just doesn’t make sense to me, physically or mentally.

Why do people keep saying 90 seconds. It varies. More often than not it's a couple minutes. Sometimes longer, sometimes shorter depending on what's happening in the game. People sound like she doesn't make adjustments to what's going on.

 

[Puppeteer]

Because a title in year one was a reasonable goal, eh? Guarantee you didn't have a loss in Knoxville in the cards when the season started.

But let's be real—I kinda think it goes without saying that your disposition means you're not gonna give the Lady Vols the benefit of the doubt. No offense, but objectivity isn't really the starting point here.

EDIT: Case in point, the "time will tell" remark is funny because, looking at the data we've got so far, Coach Caldwell's done an excellent job recruiting talent. Why should we (you) automatically assume the future will be different? I know one answer to that question.

I don't know it will be different...in fact I hope it succeeds. I am not the typical "I hate Tennessee" uconn fan. I want Tennessee, UConn, South Carolina, LSU etc etc to stay relevant and on top of their games.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Probably coming up with overuse from that time the coach said the disastrous late season slide was due to overuse. Honestly admitted she underestimated the physical demands and would adjust for that next yr.

Everyone could see and said they were spent physically and mentally. That’s why the two weeks btw tourneys was golden for them

One of the objectives of the "mass" substitution is to tire out your opponent so you can take advantage of the fatigue. Iy worked very well last and at allure previous stops. With more talented players on the team in future years, a lot of improvement is expected. Improvements in rebounding, field goal percentages from both 2&3 pointers, as well as better defense.. I see improvement in all phases of the game next year and years to come. Better players equals better teams.

 

[creekdipper]

Kylee Kitts from UF is in the portal. The younger sister of Chloe is 2 inches taller at 6'4" with more meat on her bones. Supposedly a better shooter than her sister and has a do not contact label. Can't imagine she would come to SC as sisters they've competed against each other all their lives. I think Dawn wants the big girl from MSU.

I still think SC is the best bet.

 

[SATXVolFan82]

Okkkkkkkkk, I’m waiting for a commitment. wya BOOM

 

[DarkPhoenix]

This!!!! I’m actually a big fan of the mass substitutions, just not the frequency! I’ve always said I would run a similar system if I ever coached basketball, but instead in intervals of 3-5 minutes. The 30-90 seconds just doesn’t make sense to me, physically or mentally.

I was going to give my personal experience on pressing the whole game, but I’ll just say you can play longer stretches without coming out the game. If you watch every game you’ll see substitutions coming in when they haven’t really run up and down the court much at all, it looks like it’s more of a time based and not fatigue based system.

 

[And1]

Why do people keep saying 90 seconds. It varies. More often than not it's a couple minutes. Sometimes longer, sometimes shorter depending on what's happening in the game. People sound like she doesn't make adjustments to what's going on.

Those opposed to the system keep saying 30-90 seconds as if that was gospel, when in reality it is rarely that. All you have to do is go back and watch the games.

 

[Orange Maniac]

I think the quick 90 seconds substitution is to see how the opposing team handles the match ups and whether they get confused with who they are supposed to guard. It kind of gives a read on how well the opponent prepared for the system.

 

[LadyVol1908]

Those opposed to the system keep saying 30-90 seconds as if that was gospel, when in reality it is rarely that. All you have to do is go back and watch the games.

Watched every single game and give or take 10-15 seconds. The point is, the subbing is infrequent and it could possibly serve her better if she left them in longer.

 

[madtownvol]

Those opposed to the system keep saying 30-90 seconds as if that was gospel, when in reality it is rarely that. All you have to do is go back and watch the games.

It is not about being opposed to the system but what happens. In my post, I pointed out that CKC's sub patterns change as the game goes on and some games are different than others.

But, the LVs had more than a few games where the first and 3rd quarters were marked by a series of quick subs. In the last game, against TX., for example, Coop came off the bench, sank a three and went back to the bench in less than 60 seconds, It happens.

You can look a the play-by-play reports in LV websites and see the sub patterns. For example, against Uconn the 1st quarter had a mass sub after 90 seconds, then another after 60 seconds, then another after 60 seconds, then another after 60 seconds, then after 60 and then after 60.

They used an almost identical pattern against GA. So we have the same pattern in their best win and worst loss.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

The sports physiology of CKC's "system" is a little questionable. First, we need to clarify her subbing patterns which were not entirely consistent. She subbed less frequently later in the game, particularly in the 4th quarter and some games, her subbing patterns were overall less frenetic than in others.

None the less, she had more than a few games, where starters were subbed in less than 90 seconds and then players from the 2nd wave were subbed in less than a minute. I also tracked times when Tess, as one example, was in the game for 30 seconds, and so on.

I see value in the general idea. Players play in short intense spurts and the changing line-ups can have a disruptive effect on teams-- analytically it can be just as effective at breaking up a run as the magic time out.

But any athlete knows, it is a stressful on the body to come in and out of a game in a minute or 90 seconds. Muscles are just starting to get warmed up and boom your out and then have to come back in to high intensity action immediately.

Anyone doubting that this in and out pattern is subobtimal - try this: sprint 30 yards as hard you can then sit down wait 30 seconds, get up and sprint again 30 yards, sit for 30 seconds and then sprint again (at this point, you will have pulled a hamstring or some other muscle, so actually don't do this).

If CKC is going to continue in this system, she really needs to replace the conventional bench seats with exercise bikes so her core players can stay lose during their time off.

Physiogically, players would do better with 3-5 minute rotations.

That is one opinion. I think the substitution patterns will change as the talent of the squad increases. I agree that I the late third quarters, and most of the fourth quarter, the "better" players play longer and at a different offensive pace. We beat this year's NATIONAL CHAMPS with this pattern. the fatigue which we saw late in the season should not carry over to the future. I also believe that shot selection in the first and second quarters will improve ass the talent improves. I do not believe that quick substitutions result in increased injuries when the players are in good condition. Our basketball team will be in good physical condition.

 

[madtownvol]

I think the quick 90 seconds substitution is to see how the opposing team handles the match ups and whether the get confused with who they are supposed to guard. It kind of gives a read on how well the opponent prepared for the system.

That is a plausible explanation. But, I think it just often led to the LVs have bad offensive starts without any flow. Not a lot of benefit to confusing the other team if your own squad is discombobulated.

 

[mudcat1973]

Women's Basketball vs UT Martin on 11/7/2024 - Box Score - University of Tennessee Athletics

The official box score of Women's Basketball vs UT Martin on 11/7/2024

utsports.com

Click on play by play
You can see every sub patterns first game don't have to rewatch
Easy gotten for any game

 

[DeerPark12]

I was going to give my personal experience on pressing the whole game, but I’ll just say you can play longer stretches without coming out the game. If you watch every game you’ll see substitutions coming in when they haven’t really run up and down the court much at all, it looks like it’s more of a time based and not fatigue based system.

Well, the idea is that every opponent is always being defended by and trying to defend a fresher player. It’s the element of the “system“ that gives the biggest advantage. It allows a slightly less talented player to at least have the fatigue edge which helps overcome the talent edge. Then, once your roster is built up with talented players, it allows a more talented and fresher player to dominate.

People are going to continue to be skeptical, but the “system“ has passed just about every test so far. There are certainly some players that don’t want to play in the system, just like there are players that don’t want to play in a defense-first system or a forward-oriented offense. Not every player is for every program and vice versa. That doesn’t mean that she’s not going to sign talented players, as she already has, but it does mean that this isn’t going to be the right fit for everybody.

They are active and recruiting players out of the portal. But the one player they are not going to sign is one that is transferring to a school to be the unquestioned star player or one of a couple of unquestioned stars on a team. I think long-term this program will be built much more through recruiting than it will through the portal. Last year was an outlier because she had to build a roster that was under talented and depleted. Personally, I think that is going to make this time of year absolutely insufferable on this board, because we’re going to have the same conversations every year. They are going to sign at least two players out of the portal. But they’re not going to do it at the expense of the system, the rest of the roster, or the long-term growth of the program. You don’t have to like that, or agree with it, but it is what is going to happen.

 

[Rickster]

There's no proof that any players or prospects are reluctant to commit to Tennessee because of Kim's system. But there's no proof that some aren't.

I don't know what good it does to speculate on a dissatisfaction that is not present but that throws shade on the coaching staff. There could be a lot of more appropriate subjects to discuss

 

[Volfan2012]

Don't quite understand why we sub so early in the game and as quickly as we do. Second half not nearly as quick and we've played fourth quarters where we only sub once or twice. The final breakdown looks really close to most teams. Spearman, Whitehorn, and Cooper would've played more if they hadn't got in foul trouble so often in the first half of the game.
I don't know if the subbing affects the defense, but we gave up way to many second chance points in all the games and lost most of the ones we lost because of allowing rebounds and scores on first misses. That is the reason I think players that can stop the offensive putbacks is what we need to win a lot more games.
This usually means a big inside presence who can defend, rebound, and score.

 

[chuckiepoo]

I don't know what good it does to speculate on a dissatisfaction that is not present but that throws shade on the coaching staff. There could be a lot of more appropriate subjects to discuss

 

[mudcat1973]

Women's Basketball vs UT Martin on 11/7/2024 - Box Score - University of Tennessee Athletics

The official box score of Women's Basketball vs UT Martin on 11/7/2024

utsports.com

Click on play by play
You can see every sub patterns first game don't have to rewatch
Easy gotten for any game

First quarter of the season.
8:49 4 subs out
7:09 4 subs out
4:56 5 subs out
3:38 5 subs out
2:34 5 subs out
1:36 5 subs out
1:00 2subs out
0:24 1 subs out
Easy anyone fan or recuit to check for there self.