2022 NFL Offseason Thread

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Plecoptera said:
Suing your prospective employer probably isn't the best way to get a job. However, Flores shouldn't have been fired and deserves another chance somewhere.
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If it's something that can be proven then I can understand his decision to bring it up. That would be a major scandal indeed. But I agree he shouldn't have been fired. It was one of the better coaching jobs of the season, and there were several of them this year.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I am glad to know about the incentivized tanking and I believe he can tie it into the discriminatory theme. "I'm the token black guy who was supposed to tank them through a rebuild. They tried to pay me for losses. They fired me for winning."

I mean, WTF. The optics are completely horrible, racism or not. That's a scandal without race involved.
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Unless Stephen Ross is the biggest dolt on the face of the earth (and maybe he is), I have a hard time believing that story. There’s no way that would have been approved by the NFL in a contract. Now tanking is real and coaches know they go into rebuilds all the time. But I can’t believe that Stephen Ross literally offered him 100K loss. He was really going to pay him an extra, under the table $1.4M if he went 2-14? Come on.
 
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zjcvols said:
Unless Stephen Ross is the biggest dolt on the face of the earth (and maybe he is), I have a hard time believing that story. There’s no way that would have been approved by the NFL in a contract. Now tanking is real and coaches know they go into rebuilds all the time. But I can’t believe that Stephen Ross literally offered him 100K loss. He was really going to pay him an extra, under the table $1.4M if he went 2-14? Come on.
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Why is it so hard to believe?
 
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Word is there are 2 other black coaches trying to turn this into class action.
 
#33
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n_huffhines said:
Why is it so hard to believe?
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You actually think an NFL owner was willing to pay an NFL coach under the table to lose? Really? The consequences of that are so much greater than the reward. Why not just add an extra $1M to the contract per year as a show of good faith? If Ross actually did that then he’s the dumbest owner in sports history.
 
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I think the NFL will be more interested in the claims of owners paying a head coach to throw games than claims of racism.

The Rooney Rule is a poor policy with good intentions. Unless there’s email or proof of someone not hiring him because he’s black I don’t see how it can realistically go anywhere.

Ownership throwing games? That risks damaging the NFL brand. Especially with their recent gambling partnerships.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I think the NFL will be more interested in the claims of owners paying a head coach to throw games than claims of racism.

The Rooney Rule is a poor policy with good intentions. Unless there’s email or proof of someone not hiring him because he’s black I don’t see how it can realistically go anywhere.

Ownership throwing games? That risks damaging the NFL brand. Especially with their recent gambling partnerships.
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No one has a realistic alternative. It boils down to individual businesses hiring who they want. Rooney Rule at least makes them jump through some hoops.
 
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butchna said:
No one has a realistic alternative. It boils down to individual businesses hiring who they want. Rooney Rule at least makes them jump through some hoops.
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I agree. I don’t see how any team can be forced to hire a head coach other than the one they really want.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I agree. I don’t see how any team can be forced to hire a head coach other than the one they really want.
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This Flores thing isn't about who got hired or him not getting the job. It's about the ******** he had to go through so that the NFL can pretend they are doing something to encourage minority opportunities.

I don't think anybody involved from the NFL side is necessarily racist. They're just making business decisions that only regard race in terms of public perception and how they can leverage it for PR, and it's caught up with them
 
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n_huffhines said:
The rules aren't intended to force anyone to hire anyone they don't really want and they don't work that way in reality either. This Flores thing isn't about who got hired or him not getting the job. It's about the ******** he had to go through so that the NFL can pretend they are doing something to encourage minority opportunities.

I don't think anybody involved from the NFL side is necessarily racist. They're just making business decisions that only regard race in terms of public perception and how they can leverage it for PR, and it's caught up with them
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I get all that. I know what the Rooney Rule does.

His lawsuit might be to bring attention to the NFL policies but it also reeks of sour grapes. He interviewed for a job that he didn’t get? Why is that the Giants fault? Why are they being sued? They followed the NFL policy in hiring. Why are the Broncos being sued?

I’ve believed the Rooney Rule was stupid ever since it was created for this reason. Teams will hire who they want. In one years time when the Cowboys fire McCarthy if Jerry wants Payton and Payton wants to be the HC are there going to be lawsuits because the black candidate knew the job was already filled? No but Dallas has to interview one regardless.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I get all that. I know what the Rooney Rule does.

His lawsuit might be to bring attention to the NFL policies but it also reeks of sour grapes. He interviewed for a job that he didn’t get? Why is that the Giants fault? Why are they being sued? They followed the NFL policy in hiring. Why are the Broncos being sued?

I’ve believed the Rooney Rule is stupid ever since it was created for this reason. Teams will hire who they want. In one years time when the Cowboys fire McCarthy if Jerry wants Payton and Payton wants to be the HC are there going to be lawsuits because the black candidate knew the job was already filled? No but Dallas has to interview one anyway regardless.
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Yeah, sorry I realized I misunderstood your post and just edited my response.

To your prior point about Flores having to prove he wasn't hired because of his skin color...I see no indication he is alleging that.

I'm sure he's sour. I'm sure he's sour he got fired after winning. I'm sure he's sour he doesn't have a job after being the most proven guy on the market, behind Harbaugh. But how he feels has nothing to do with whether or not the NFL is liable for this farce. It's a deceptive practice to pretend you are interviewing a minority for a job you already know is going to somebody else, all for the sake of public perception. Flores was a pawn in this fraudulent charade. He will win. As you say, the Rooney rule is stupid and now they're going to pay for it. In this case, Flores can support with evidence that it was a charade, which makes it different than all the times we suspected it was a charade.
 
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n_huffhines said:
This Flores thing isn't about who got hired or him not getting the job. It's about the ******** he had to go through so that the NFL can pretend they are doing something to encourage minority opportunities.

I don't think anybody involved from the NFL side is necessarily racist. They're just making business decisions that only regard race in terms of public perception and how they can leverage it for PR, and it's caught up with them
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So remove the Rooney Rule and go back to the good ole days when Tony Dungy can't even get an interview and Marion Campbell gets multiple chances. Don't see how that's better.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, sorry I realized I misunderstood your post and just edited my response.

To your prior point about Flores having to prove he wasn't hired because of his skin color...I see no indication he is alleging that.

I'm sure he's sour. I'm sure he's sour he got fired after winning. I'm sure he's sour he doesn't have a job after being the most proven guy on the market, behind Harbaugh. But how he feels has nothing to do with whether or not the NFL is liable for this farce. It's a deceptive practice to pretend you are interviewing a minority for a job you already promised to somebody, all for the sake of public perception. Flores was a pawn in this fraudulent charade. He will win. As you say, the Rooney rule is stupid and now they're going to pay for it. In this case, Flores can support with evidence that it was a charade, which makes it different than all the times we suspected it was a charade.
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Belichick doesn't work for the Giants...or Bills. What he "hears" isn't PROOF. NFL fights this all the way til a grounded court rules in their favor.
 
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butchna said:
So remove the Rooney Rule and go back to the good ole days when Tony Dungy can't even get an interview and Marion Campbell gets multiple chances. Don't see how that's better.
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Who suggested that?
 
#43
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butchna said:
Belichick doesn't work for the Giants...or Bills. What he "hears" isn't PROOF. NFL fights this all the way til a grounded court rules in their favor.
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Nobody said it's proof. It's support. Bellichick literally said he heard it from both Bills and Giants, and who actually doubts him on that? It's pretty convincing support.
 
#44
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butchna said:
Belichick doesn't work for the Giants...or Bills. What he "hears" isn't PROOF. NFL fights this all the way til a grounded court rules in their favor.
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This is what I was going to say. Belichick could have heard that said Daboll aced the interview. Answered every question perfect. Said all the things they wanted to hear for their future plans. That’s not proof of anything. He’s not sitting in with the teams making the hire.
 
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TheDeeble said:
This is what I was going to say. Belichick could have heard that said Daboll aced the interview. Answered every question perfect. Said all the things they wanted to hear for their future plans. That’s not proof of anything. He’s not sitting in with the teams making the hire.
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You think he's telling Daboll "....I heard you are their guy." when all he heard was he had aced the interview? I put the odds of that at near zero. I mean, based on what we see, it appears BB's texting Brian to congratulate him. That was the entire point of the exchange, as I understand it.

Nobody said it's proof. It's just really strong support, and I think it will be pretty convincing in court. This isn't criminal court and burden of proof is low (more likely than not).
 
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n_huffhines said:
You think he's telling Daboll "....I heard you are their guy." when all he heard was he had aced the interview? I put the odds of that at near zero. I mean, based on what we see, it appears BB's texting Brian to congratulate him. That was the entire point of the exchange, as I understand it.

Nobody said it's proof. It's just really strong support, and I think it will be pretty convincing in court. This isn't criminal court and burden of proof is low (more likely than not).
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Support for what? That the Giants believed they had their next head coach before the entire interview process was complete? I don’t think that’s anything groundbreaking or surprising. One candidate may stand out. That can happen. Daboll was listed as a favorite before the interview process began.

Like I said before. If Jerry interviews Sean Payton next year for the Cowboys HC job should there be lawsuits if someone suggests Payton was going to get the job all along? Despite interviewing however many candidates they interview?
 
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#47
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TheDeeble said:
Support for what? That the Giants believed they had their next head coach before the entire interview process was complete? I don’t think that’s anything groundbreaking or surprising. One candidate may stand out. That can happen. Daboll was listed as a favorite before the interview process began.

Like I said before. If Jerry interviews Sean Payton next year for the Cowboys HC job should there be lawsuits if someone suggests Payton was going to get the job all along? Despite interviewing however many candidates they interview?
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Will Flores win his case? Would coach candidate X win his case in this Dallas/Payton hypothetical? The answers are yes and probably no, because.....Flores can support his case.
 
#48
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n_huffhines said:
You think he's telling Daboll "....I heard you are their guy." when all he heard was he had aced the interview? I put the odds of that at near zero. I mean, based on what we see, it appears BB's texting Brian to congratulate him. That was the entire point of the exchange, as I understand it.

Nobody said it's proof. It's just really strong support, and I think it will be pretty convincing in court. This isn't criminal court and burden of proof is low (more likely than not).
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Doesn’t matter what he HEARD. He’s not an agent of any team other than the Patriots…and it’s hearsay. First sane judge who holds up the letter of the law tosses this.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Will Flores win his case? Would coach candidate X win his case in this Dallas/Payton hypothetical? The answers are yes and probably no, because.....Flores can support his case.
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If he wins then I hopes he has more than a couple of Belichick texts.

But I'm still not seeing a grand conspiracy of wrongdoing. Let's assume the Giants knew they wanted Daboll after they brought him in for a 2nd interview. How is that illegal, wrong, against the rules or whatever it should be called? They held interviews with 3 more candidates after Daboll's 2nd interview.


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