2020 UT passing UF recruiting

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The Original Fade said:
He will be run out of town soon for only losing to the national champs and a #4 12-2 Georgia with a backup QB in 2019. Florida fans have standards, and this is unacceptable
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Sarcasm noted, but the OP (secking) never said that Dan Mullen wasn't a good coach, or that Mullen wasn't a good recruiter. The point of this thread, before it was hijacked, was to simply point out that Florida has had more attrition than what is normal to their signing classes under Mullen. The 2019 Florida signing class, in particular, was not as good as it originally appeared to be because of who didn't get in. However, as I pointed out in an above post, Mullen has compensated for this by effectively working the transfer portal.

If you Gator fans/posers can stop hijacking threads for just a minute, the valid point to be made here, is that recruiting services should re-rank the classes after the August camp has begun and those are the only rankings which should ever be relevant, because it doesn't do anyone any good to sign a bunch of 4 and 5 star players who don't end up enrolling in school. However, whenever any fans or analysts cite class rankings, they invariably only use the final class rankings from February. This fails to account for attrition and can give a false impression of how much talent a team actually has.

Finally, I don't understand why so many posters on here get so defensive when it comes to any hint of criticism levied against Florida. Some of you guys make it easy to forget that VolNation is, in fact, a University of Tennessee sports-based fan forum.
 
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onevol74 said:
So we have beaten 3 teams with a winning record in the last 25 games? OK, I will give you 4 games in the last 25.
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You can find reasons to be positive and you can find reasons to be negative. It seems like you would rather be negative. This program was 4-8 in 2017, with precious little future NFL Draft talent on it. Butch Jones didn't beat a team from the SEC West in 5 seasons. Jeremy Pruitt has already beaten two in 2.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Sarcasm noted, but the OP (secking) never said that Dan Mullen wasn't a good coach, or that Mullen wasn't a good recruiter. The point of this thread, before it was hijacked, was to simply point out that Florida has had more attrition than what is normal to their signing classes under Mullen. The 2019 Florida signing class, in particular, was not as good as it originally appeared to be because of who didn't get in. However, as I pointed out in an above post, Mullen has compensated for this by effectively working the transfer portal.

If you Gator fans/posers can stop hijacking threads for just a minute, the valid point to be made here, is that recruiting services should re-rank the classes after the August camp has begun and those are the only rankings which should ever be relevant, because it doesn't do anyone any good to sign a bunch of 4 and 5 star players who don't end up enrolling in school. However, whenever any fans or analysts cite class rankings, they invariably only use the final class rankings from February. This fails to account for attrition and can give a false impression of how much talent a team actually has.

Finally, I don't understand why so many posters on here get so defensive when it comes to any hint of criticism levied against Florida. Some of you guys make it easy to forget that VolNation is, in fact, a University of Tennessee sports-based fan forum.
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so....objective analysis of other teams or coach‘s success is not allowed here. Got it 👍🏻

BTW, if Pruitt was having the type of attrition UF is having, guys like you would spin it as Pruitt cleaning house and getting rid of dead weight, making room for more higher profile players, blah blah blah
 
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The Original Fade said:
so....objective analysis of other teams or coach‘s success is not allowed here. Got it 👍🏻

BTW, if Pruitt was having the type of attrition UF is having, guys like you would spin it as Pruitt cleaning house and getting rid of dead weight, making room for more higher profile players, blah blah blah
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You missed the point. The OP (secking) never said that Mullen wasn't a good coach, or that Mullen wasn't a good recruiter. He merely pointed out that they have had some attrition to their signing classes. Isn't that allowed? Why are you so defensive about that? It is strange to see on a Tennessee sports-based fan forum. You guys do love your Gators on here... that's for damn sure.

And for crying out loud, nobody is ever going to spin losing multiple 4 star signees, who just signed, as a positive development for a program.
 
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08Vol said:
What are you talking about? UF has finished the season ranked in the AP top 10 in both of Mullen’s first 2 years. It is highly likely that Pruitt will never end a season with UT ranked in the top 10 and we aren’t calling for his head.
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"highly likely that Pruitt will never end a season with UT ranked in the top 10...." I'm thinking coach Pruitt is really glad that's been cleared up - no pressure now, he can just focus on being mediocre and just barely getting by as an SEC coach.
 
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TCNC53 said:
"highly likely that Pruitt will never end a season with UT ranked in the top 10...." I'm thinking coach Pruitt is really glad that's been cleared up - no pressure now, he can just focus on being mediocre and just barely getting by as an SEC coach.
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No true fan is going to be that negative. We have too many Gator/Dawg fans on VolNation posing as Tennessee fans.
 
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secking said:
Some, yes. They know he doesn’t live for recruiting like Meyer, Pruitt, and Saban do which results in good results, not great ones. 11 years and not even a division title. Yes, I know SECW, but he only was better than 4th in the west one time.
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That was with Dak Prescott. Mullen is a good coach, not a great one.
 
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secking said:
Some, yes. They know he doesn’t live for recruiting like Meyer, Pruitt, and Saban do which results in good results, not great ones. 11 years and not even a division title. Yes, I know SECW, but he only was better than 4th in the west one time.
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But look where he was laboring and the handicaps he faced. I know no one wants to here this, but I think he is one of the best coaches in the country. I agree, maybe not the best recruiter, but I think as a teacher and coach as good as there is. If you want a recruiter for the sake of winning the recruiting war (regardless of the recruit fitting the culture or system) then we have most recently suffered a guy I will recommend.
 
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08Vol said:
You can check my history on this site if you don’t think I’ve been suffering with this team for the past 15 or so years. Every year UT can pencil in 3 losses until Pruitt can show he can beat one of our big 3 rivals b/c Saban, Smart, and Mullen aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. A 3 loss team won’t be in the top 10. Over the past 2 years Pruitt’s teams have been out scored a combined 255-86 against UF, UGA, & Bama. UT offensive productio was so bad last year that if you combined UT’s points from these 3 games it still wouldn’t have been enough to beat any of them alone.
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If you have only been suffering for 15 years, you have a long way to go my friend.:) Seriously ,not necessarily this year but for sure starting in 2021 it will be rare for Tennessee to lose to all three of those teams in the same year. Half the time we will win 2 out of the three. Now if we beat all three in the same year, then you are messing with my longevity plan. For you see , I have prayed to the good Lord to please let me live long enough to see Tennessee beat Alabama , Georgia and Florida all in the same year.
 
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onevol74 said:
Facts are facts. We have not been close to Mullen in the last two years. Show me and I will believe.
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However it has been said before and I will say it again. Look at what Pruitt had to work with talent wise and what Mullen had to work with. Now maybe the playing field for Pruitt is leveling. We will see.
 
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I normally just post this stuff in the RF but since it's sort of on topic - I think recruiting is improving and we're holding on to our guys so far - and from a development & performance standpoint the rebuild appears to be moving in the right direction. jmo

These tables are scoring on and against only SEC competition. Each year has a different range between the best performing and worst performing team. I broke that range into 5 auto adjusting brackets to measure the quality of the unit. jmo.

Green = Elite; Blue = Good; Yellow = Average; Pink = Bad; Red = Abysmal.

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08Vol said:
What are you talking about? UF has finished the season ranked in the AP top 10 in both of Mullen’s first 2 years. It is highly likely that Pruitt will never end a season with UT ranked in the top 10 and we aren’t calling for his head.
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I'm so used to stupid posts like these it's become comical.
 
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The Original Fade said:
so....objective analysis of other teams or coach‘s success is not allowed here. Got it 👍🏻

BTW, if Pruitt was having the type of attrition UF is having, guys like you would spin it as Pruitt cleaning house and getting rid of dead weight, making room for more higher profile players, blah blah blah
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If he was losing 4 and 5 star SIGNEES before their first season? I couldn’t argue that some wrong **** was going down.
 
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08Vol said:
What are you talking about? UF has finished the season ranked in the AP top 10 in both of Mullen’s first 2 years. It is highly likely that Pruitt will never end a season with UT ranked in the top 10 and we aren’t calling for his head.
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Highly likely, hmmmmm. Who did you want for the head coach. You are also blind us if you say you haven’t seen anyone call for his head.
 
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savannahfan said:
However it has been said before and I will say it again. Look at what Pruitt had to work with talent wise and what Mullen had to work with. Now maybe the playing field for Pruitt is leveling. We will see.
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That’s part of the argument I just don’t buy. They took over very similar teams with similar records from the previous year
 
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DaddyChad said:
Talent gap is closing, Mullen still has a lot of years of experience and usually he was playing superior talent with lesser talent on his team. Tennessee closing the talent gap is promising, we still have to beat their ass though.
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I have always thought Mullen is over rated as a head coach.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No true fan is going to be that negative. We have too many Gator/Dawg fans on VolNation posing as Tennessee fans.
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The last time UT finished ranked in the top 10 was 2001. 7 years under Fulmer and 4 coaches later haven’t accomplished that again. I would love to be proven wrong, but we have been stuck behind UF since 05,Bama since 07, and UGA since Kirby showed up in 17. A 3 loss team isn’t going to make the top 10.
 
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bigdan said:
That’s part of the argument I just don’t buy. They took over very similar teams with similar records from the previous year
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While that is true, let's take a look at the respective levels of NFL Draft caliber talent on the Florida and Tennessee football teams in both 2018 and 2019. Here are the players from the respective schools who have been drafted since Dan Mullen coached his first game at Florida, and since Jeremy Pruitt coached his first game at Tennessee (both tenures began in the fall of 2018). It's 12 to 2 in favor of the Gators:

Florida (12)

Players drafted in 2019 (5):

Jawaan Taylor (2nd Round - 35th Pick Overall)
Jachai Polite (3rd Round - 68th Pick Overall)
C.J. Gardner-Johnson (4th Round - 105th Pick Overall)
Vosean Joseph (5th Round - 147th Pick Overall)
Jordan Scarlett (5th Round - 154th Pick Overall)

Players drafted in 2020 (7):

C.J. Henderson (1st Round - 9th Pick Overall)
Van Jefferson (2nd Round - 57th Pick Overall)
Jabari Zuniga (3rd Round - 79th Pick Overall)
Jonathan Greenard (3rd Round - 90th Pick Overall)
La' Mical Perine (4th Round - 120th Pick Overall)
Freddie Swain (6th Round - 214th Pick Overall)
Tyrie Cleveland (7th Round - 252nd Pick Overall)

Tennessee (2)

Players drafted in 2019 (0):

Players drafted in 2020 (2):

Darrell Taylor (2nd Round - 48th Pick Overall)
Jauan Jennings (7th Round - 217th Pick Overall)

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NFL Draft talent doesn't tell the whole story and it's fair to point out that WR Van Jefferson transferred in from the portal after Dan Mullen was hired, so he deserves credit for obtaining Jefferson. However, for the most part, it is fair to say that Mullen inherited more talent at Florida than Jeremy Pruitt did at Tennessee. The tale of the tape from the last two NFL Drafts bears that out.
 
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08Vol said:
The last time UT finished ranked in the top 10 was 2001. 7 years under Fulmer and 4 coaches later haven’t accomplished that again. I would love to be proven wrong, but we have been stuck behind UF since 05,Bama since 07, and UGA since Kirby showed up in 17. A 3 loss team isn’t going to make the top 10.
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None of this, has anything to do with Jeremy Pruitt's tenure (outside of 2018 and 2019).
 
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Pride85 said:
Highly likely, hmmmmm. Who did you want for the head coach. You are also blind us if you say you haven’t seen anyone call for his head.
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Last time UT finished ranked in the top 10 was 2001 so yes highly likely. I wanted Mullen but our AD waited to pull the trigger on him since he didn’t want to pay Butch’s buyout. After the Schiano garbage I thought Pruitt was the best option available. After watching 2 seasons I think the odds are much higher that Pruitt is fired by Jan 2023 than UT being ranked in the top 10 in Jan 2023.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
None of this, has anything to do with Jeremy Pruitt's tenure.
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What it shows is how hard it is for a SEC school to finish in the top 10 since the conference is so top heavy. This isn’t the Big12 where a Baylor like rise can happen. But end of the day my views are based on the 25 games I’ve watched Pruitt coach and his recruiting so far.
 
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08Vol said:
What it shows is how hard it is for a SEC school to finish in the top 10 since the conference is so top heavy. This isn’t the Big12 where a Baylor like rise can happen. But end of the day my views are based on the 25 games I’ve watched Pruitt coach and his recruiting so far.
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So are mine, and I like what I see on the recruiting front so far. Pruitt is doing as well as any reasonable fan could expect, in conjunction with where he started from, and the results on the field.

If you are a real Tennessee fan (and I don't think you are, but I don't care either. It's not important.) then you should spend your time doing other things besides posting on VolNation. It isn't healthy for anyone to be THIS negative about something they care about. Nobody gives up on a coach this early in his tenure and during a 6 game winning streak, while the coach is recruiting well.
 
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