2020 UT passing UF recruiting

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99gator said:
For sake of argument......

Winning a national title is hard. We've played football for over 110 years now and have 3 of them. So, predicting a guy ain't going to win one isn't really going out on a limb. People forget that because we've had some dynasties recently (Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma) that it just isn't the norm. And so, everyone is waiting for those dynasties to fall and for someone new to become the next dynasty.....and I hate to tell people, but in the SEC, it's not going to happen. The kind of thing that's going to happen (IMO) is the exact kind of thing LSU did this past year. Fielding good teams and everything falls into place for a magical year.

People's perspectives have just become almost comical. Kirby Smart gets mocked and he's easily one of the best college football coaches in America right now. It's not close. But, people talk about him like he's a bum.

Dan Mullen is a really, really good football coach. And whether anyone here wants to admit it or not, people here weren't predicting 10-3 in year one and 11-2 in year two with two NY6 bowl wins. And over half of those wins came with a QB who most here would argue is a worse QB than JG.
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I feel this is accurate.. you mention the dynasties. There are cracks in the armor. LSU did everybody a favor by laying the lumber to the big boys. It might have been a flash in the pan- they lose a lot of talent. But what it did was open the door for guys like Pruitt, Smart and Mullen to recruit guys. The message is: If you go to. (Fill in the blank with dynasty team) there is no guarantee you get that natty ring by your senior year. Thank you Joe Burrow, you athletic freak!
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No true fan is this negative about a 2nd year coach on a 6 game winning streak, who is recruiting as well as Pruitt currently is. You are honestly holding the last two years vs Georgia and Alabama against Pruitt, considering what he started with? Look, I understand Battered Vol Syndrome, but your posts are over the top with negativity. They read more like the rants of a rival fan, who is posing.
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UGA and Bama are a pretty high bar. Over the past 2 years Pruitt’s teams have been out scored by Vandy and Mizzou. The negativity is due to the team still looking sloppy and players out of place in their 25th game under Pruitt. The offense looks lost in most games. In Pruitt’s 23rd game as head coach the offense put up 526 yards and only scored 24 points.
 
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99gator said:
For sake of argument......

Winning a national title is hard. We've played football for over 110 years now and have 3 of them. So, predicting a guy ain't going to win one isn't really going out on a limb. People forget that because we've had some dynasties recently (Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma) that it just isn't the norm. And so, everyone is waiting for those dynasties to fall and for someone new to become the next dynasty.....and I hate to tell people, but in the SEC, it's not going to happen. The kind of thing that's going to happen (IMO) is the exact kind of thing LSU did this past year. Fielding good teams and everything falls into place for a magical year.

People's perspectives have just become almost comical. Kirby Smart gets mocked and he's easily one of the best college football coaches in America right now. It's not close. But, people talk about him like he's a bum.

Dan Mullen is a really, really good football coach. And whether anyone here wants to admit it or not, people here weren't predicting 10-3 in year one and 11-2 in year two with two NY6 bowl wins. And over half of those wins came with a QB who most here would argue is a worse QB than JG.
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It's fair to point out that he is compensating for it by working the transfer portal as well as anyone right now, but it's still true that Mullen has had some unusually high attrition from your last two signing classes. I'm not sure if it's a red flag or not... but I wouldn't completely dismiss it as a problem if it persists.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It's fair to point out that he is compensating for it by working the transfer portal as well as anyone right now, but it's still true that Mullen has had some unusually high attrition from your last two signing classes. I'm not sure if it's a red flag or not... but I wouldn't completely dismiss it as a problem if it persists.
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The main complaint/concern I have is landing the “everybody’a all-American” difference maker that every championship team has.

Typically, it’s at Qb but other positions as well.

But, those schools that I mentioned earlier have multiple guys doing video game stuff every week and that’s what separates them from everyone else.

JMO
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Are Florida fans calling for Mullen to be fired?
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You may be using sarcasm here, not sure. Forgive me if you are.

But no, heck no. If you find a UF fan calling for Mullen to be fired, chances are, they’re posing as a UF fan.

Mullen is 21-5, back to back NY6 Bowl wins, has UF fans about as excited as they can be over this upcoming season, preseason top 5/6 likely, many predicting UF to win the SECe and many projecting them as a serious playoff contender. And yes, we’re pleased with the direction of recruiting, especially when you consider how he brings in huge transfers to supplement his already good recruiting. Do we want perennial top 5 classes, of course! But for now we’re getting top 10 classes, and that’ll do.

No Gator fan wants him fired.
 
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99gator said:
The main complaint/concern I have is landing the “everybody’a all-American” difference maker that every championship team has.

Typically, it’s at Qb but other positions as well.

But, those schools that I mentioned earlier have multiple guys doing video game stuff every week and that’s what separates them from everyone else.

JMO
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He’s got a few “everybody’s All Americans” in this recent class. Gervon Dexter, Derek Wingo, Xavier Henderson and JaQuanvion Fraziars are can’t miss dudes, to name a few. Also, QB Anthony Richardson, he’s a future superstar...
 
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08Vol said:
UGA and Bama are a pretty high bar. Over the past 2 years Pruitt’s teams have been out scored by Vandy and Mizzou. The negativity is due to the team still looking sloppy and players out of place in their 25th game under Pruitt. The offense looks lost in most games. In Pruitt’s 23rd game as head coach the offense put up 526 yards and only scored 24 points.
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mercy son. If you can’t see a difference between year one and 2 you are blind. I don’t know how good Pruitt is but he is better than we have had in years. Some of the CBJ players rolled over on him because they had no heart and didn’t want to go to a bowl game because it would require more practice. Last year they still had plenty of holes but played hard, team ball. His recruits are playing early and playing well. I don’t know how Many games we win this year but we are moving forward. sounds like you are the guy that would be Ok with a bad season so you could say you knew it all along.
 
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secking said:
BC-7 tackles, 20 total
LL-136 yds total
JS-15 catches, 157 yds in 2 years

It might be a fresh start is what they need, might be they were overrated
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We should look at Mullen’s past results with transfers while at UF. Guys like Van Jefferson, Tre Grimes, Jon Greenard have been more than contributors, they’ve been absolute studs. Several others have been starters: Jean Delance, Adam Shuler, Tommy Townsend, Marlon Dunlap. And others have been solid role players.

Now we get to see what a bunch of former 5-star guys can do; Cox, Lingard and Shorter plus the Pouncey cousins. The biggest transfer of this offseason was Stewart Reese, the 6’6” 330 pounder from Miss State. This immediately inserts a guy who can play Guard or Tackle on the o-line and has three years starting experience against the Bama’s and LSU’s of the world.

Mullen has been absolutely masterful in his use of the transfer portal. It’s a big part of why UF may win the national title in 2020.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It's fair to point out that he is compensating for it by working the transfer portal as well as anyone right now, but it's still true that Mullen has had some unusually high attrition from your last two signing classes. I'm not sure if it's a red flag or not... but I wouldn't completely dismiss it as a problem if it persists.
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Fair post. The 2019 signing class had unusually high attrition, agree. I don’t think you can say that about the 2020 class, in fact, after 2019, 2020 has been pretty dang good. Someone mentioned Leonard Manual, he was never in this class, never officially offered because they knew he wouldn’t qualify. I think he’s with Ole Miss now (apparently they’ll take about anyone) or JUCO. Isaiah Walker left because he didn’t like working out apparently, and didn’t like the tough love he was getting from UF coaches during quarantine. John Brown hurts because he was a stud, but apparently didn’t quite qualify. So UF has lost two. After 5 or 6 last year, 2 is peanuts.

And as you rightly mentioned, for every loss, the hole is more than plugged by the portal. For example, when they lost o-lineman Walker they brought in Stewart Reese, former starter at Miss State, just a few weeks later.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
@08Vol .... This is what the posts of a Gator fan should look like. You should try it some time. Get Freak to change your moniker to "08Gator". You won the BCS Championship that year, so you should like it.

Nobody likes a poser, dude.
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Facts are facts. We have not been close to Mullen in the last two years. Show me and I will believe.
 
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08Vol said:
UGA and Bama are a pretty high bar. Over the past 2 years Pruitt’s teams have been out scored by Vandy and Mizzou. The negativity is due to the team still looking sloppy and players out of place in their 25th game under Pruitt. The offense looks lost in most games. In Pruitt’s 23rd game as head coach the offense put up 526 yards and only scored 24 points.
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Who have we beaten with a winning record?
 
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OK. Florida's falling apart again this year. Before we play them this fall, they'll have 9 players suspended and 3 coaches with Covid19. We will still find a way to wet the bed and let them win!

Sorry for the negNancy, but I've been hearing this same thing for the past 7-8 years. We've won ONE time since Wilhoit redeemed himself in 2004! Once. It's just hard to believe.
 
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Ok so a Georgia fan (aka Rusty Mansell) creates a thread about Florida on Volnation and we have dirty nasty punk @$$ Gators on here talking about theiR $#!+ team....whats wrong here?
 
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99gator said:
I can't believe this ****. I was worried in 2018 when Tennessee scored two touchdowns. I gave Mullen a pass with it being year 1 and all. But, in 2019, Tennessee got in the red zone again and almost scored a touchdown last year too.

I told my brother right then and there, Mullen ain't the guy. Dude didn't even win the division at Mississippi State. Mississippi State! I was like how hard can it be. Yeah, beating LSU and Auburn is really easy when you're coach at Starkvegas. Hello, it's Starkvegas. And then, to get manhandled year after year by Nick Saban and Alabama. I mean, who lets that happen? You're Mississippi Freakin State. You beat Alabama 17 percent of the time. You don't think you could go out there and beat Alabama during the best run in that sorry program's history.

This is just further confirmation of the fact that Mullen ain't the guy.

I've seen a few fan posts lately saying Tennessee is being ranked higher as a better tailgating experience, has a better helmet and is competing for virtual national championships while Florida is out there doing.....what, exactly? Social Distancing?

Time to get your head out of your rear, Dan. Tick Tock, Dan. September is coming and JG isn't confused about both helmets having a "T" on them anymore.

I'm so done right now. So done.
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gator...we get manhandled by bama ga and uf every year ad we aren't starkvegas.....
 
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99gator said:
I can't believe this ****. I was worried in 2018 when Tennessee scored two touchdowns. I gave Mullen a pass with it being year 1 and all. But, in 2019, Tennessee got in the red zone again and almost scored a touchdown last year too.

I told my brother right then and there, Mullen ain't the guy. Dude didn't even win the division at Mississippi State. Mississippi State! I was like how hard can it be. Yeah, beating LSU and Auburn is really easy when you're coach at Starkvegas. Hello, it's Starkvegas. And then, to get manhandled year after year by Nick Saban and Alabama. I mean, who lets that happen? You're Mississippi Freakin State. You beat Alabama 17 percent of the time. You don't think you could go out there and beat Alabama during the best run in that sorry program's history.

This is just further confirmation of the fact that Mullen ain't the guy.

I've seen a few fan posts lately saying Tennessee is being ranked higher as a better tailgating experience, has a better helmet and is competing for virtual national championships while Florida is out there doing.....what, exactly? Social Distancing?

Time to get your head out of your rear, Dan. Tick Tock, Dan. September is coming and JG isn't confused about both helmets having a "T" on them anymore.

I'm so done right now. So done.
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I can't wait to beat FL
 
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Any SEC coach who has average success in SEC has to be able to recruit, and Mullen may not be top tier elite there, but he can coach. I think Smart, on the other hand is an elite recruiter, but Mullen probably trumps him on x's and o's. Neither are "Saban" dominant, so, there's opportunity for us to infuse ourselves in the three headed chase. I don't really care about UF or UGA trajectory, as long as we're on the move...neither are going away any time soon, unless they start making self induced unforced error decisions like UTAD (pre-fulmer) or FSU. To some extent, a stronger SEC E starts to chip away at SEC W recent years of dominance...even if Bama doesn't falter, a stronger east puts much more pressure on the likes of TaM/Aub...and even LSU w/o their all world QB.

Just my opinion, but if Pruitt is successful, I think SEC will develop more into a league where a team like Auburn or LSU flashes dominance for a year or two, then falls back a bit. The team that starts to develop TOP TIER QB's...like Bama or Clemson has the best chance at longer term dominance. Right now, Bama is only SEC team that has accomplished this.
 
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99gator said:
For sake of argument......

Winning a national title is hard. We've played football for over 110 years now and have 3 of them. So, predicting a guy ain't going to win one isn't really going out on a limb. People forget that because we've had some dynasties recently (Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma) that it just isn't the norm. And so, everyone is waiting for those dynasties to fall and for someone new to become the next dynasty.....and I hate to tell people, but in the SEC, it's not going to happen. The kind of thing that's going to happen (IMO) is the exact kind of thing LSU did this past year. Fielding good teams and everything falls into place for a magical year.

People's perspectives have just become almost comical. Kirby Smart gets mocked and he's easily one of the best college football coaches in America right now. It's not close. But, people talk about him like he's a bum.

Dan Mullen is a really, really good football coach. And whether anyone here wants to admit it or not, people here weren't predicting 10-3 in year one and 11-2 in year two with two NY6 bowl wins. And over half of those wins came with a QB who most here would argue is a worse QB than JG.
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Franks was terrible. But he could use his feet. JG can't run or throw consistently.

However, had he not gotten hurt against UK, then you all lose that game. Trask might have never gotten a chance . You all don't win 11 games with Franks as the guy.
 
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08Vol said:
I need to see 3 things before I’ll believe any UT coach can get us to the top 10.
1) elite QB development
2) upsetting a top 10 team in the road
3) not getting blown out by UF, UGA, & Bama

The winning streak is nice but the vocal leaders from the offense and defense are gone. Those guys will not be easy to replace.
Recruiting rankings don’t really matter this time of year since most teams don’t have a lot of commitments. Our current recruiting score of 259.13 would have put us at 12th in the 2020 class and been 2 points lower than our 2020 ranking.
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Don't need Elite QB development. Need consistent QB play in the confines of our offense. T Martin was not elite and won a national Championship. Casey Clausen wasn't Elite but was one of the winningest QBs in UT history.

Yes i do agree we can't get blown out by UF, Bama, and UGA every season. Goes without saying. But Pruitt took us from 5-7 to 8-5 with a very unstable QB situation. Just imagine when he does get good QB play...

Bama and UGA had a significant talent edge coming into last year.
Gaurantano gave the game away against Bama. Our thin defense wasn't complete against UGA and they wore us down. Both games were actual games for about 3 qtrs. Bama up until the last 5 mins.

Again. Way to early to say Pruitt can't get us there.
 
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onevol74 said:
Facts are facts. We have not been close to Mullen in the last two years. Show me and I will believe.
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Did I say otherwise? I was referring to @08Vol's comment that it was highly likely that Tennessee would never finish ranked in the top 10 with Jeremy Pruitt as head coach. I think that was suspiciously negative. I don't believe that a true Tennessee fan would be so negative about a head coach after just two seasons, who is on a six game winning streak and recruiting as well as Jeremy Pruitt currently is.

I didn't said a damn word about Dan Mullen in that post which you replied to... Get a clue.
 
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