2018 Midterm Election Thread

[luthervol]

So, you don't want to answer?

You know that is an answer.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I don't know. I didn't even read the article.

Ah... Interesting.

 

[Orange_Crush]

You know that is an answer.

You're saying that it costs society more to service and support the wealthy? That's an unexpected direction. Can you prove that? Or are you just going to make a one sentence answer about street facing property in a hypothetical neighborhood?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I think all death row inmates should be in the 80% bracket.

So you choose to deflect.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Personally I think if you ad MORE burden on society, you should pay more, not less. How about that one luther?

Luther's response is that they are incapable, so someone has to step up. He does this after calling it their "fair" share. I'd like his logical argument that it's fair.

 

[GAVol]

That's the great debate. I obviously think the wealthier you are, the more you should pay.

That makes no sense. It's an INCOME tax; not an asset tax.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I think all death row inmates should be in the 80% bracket.

Yes. That is what he did.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Two d's in add, oh enlightened one.

Mine is a typo. Your mistake was pure ignorance.

 

[luthervol]

You're saying that it costs society more to service and support the wealthy? That's an unexpected direction. Can you prove that? Or are you just going to make a one sentence answer about street facing property in a hypothetical neighborhood?

My contention is that the people with the most, receive the most benefit.
I'll defer to Bill Gates.
Vols won! UGA lost! My son scored his first varsity TD last night in a great game and my wife and I are headed out to see a movie.

 

[Orange_Crush]

My contention is that the people with the most, receive the most benefit.
I'll defer to Bill Gates.
Vols won! UGA lost! My son scored his first varsity TD last night in a great game and my wife and I are headed out to see a movie.

That's not a rational argument. That's a bald assertion.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

My contention is that the people with the most, receive the most benefit.
I'll defer to Bill Gates.
Vols won! UGA lost! My son scored his first varsity TD last night in a great game and my wife and I are headed out to see a movie.

What do you mean 'defer to Bill Gates'? He created more taxpayers than you can count.

OC said your argument wasn't rational. It isn't reasonable either.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Luther needs to

What do you mean 'defer to Bill Gates'? He created more taxpayers than you can count.

OC said your argument wasn't rational. It isn't reasonable either.

Luther needs to clarify whether the rich get more benefit from society, or whether they cost society more to maintain. I don't think he can support either argument, but each claim would require different arguments.

And he would also need to support a system that charged more based on benefit, as opposed to cost.

 

[Orange_Crush]

My contention is that the people with the most, receive the most benefit.
I'll defer to Bill Gates.
Vols won! UGA lost! My son scored his first varsity TD last night in a great game and my wife and I are headed out to see a movie.

Oh, and congratulations to your son. Offensive or defensive touchdown? You said he plays both sides of the ball.

 

[volfanhill]

My contention is that the people with the most, receive the most benefit.
I'll defer to Bill Gates.
Vols won! UGA lost! My son scored his first varsity TD last night in a great game and my wife and I are headed out to see a movie.

Congrats on the second half of your post. Good times.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Luther needs to

Luther needs to clarify whether the rich get more benefit from society, or whether they cost society more to maintain. I don't think he can support either argument, but each claim would require different arguments.

And he would also need to support a system that charged more based on benefit, as opposed to cost.

Any rationale and reasonable person knows that luther's taxation philosophy is COMPLETELY based on needs and feelz. He tries (and fails) to persuade people based on the size of a wealthy person's house and that kind of nonsense (because higher valued houses as we all know DO pay more tax). I would wager a million VN bucks that if Kushner paid zero taxes, he was using the laws to his advantage. And to that I say good for him, and would his accountant take any new clients.

 

[GAVol]

That's not a rational argument. That's a bald assertion.

unfortunately...That's typically the way any tax debate goes.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Any rationale and reasonable person knows that luther's taxation philosophy is COMPLETELY based on needs and feelz. He tries (and fails) to persuade people based on the size of a wealthy person's house and that kind of nonsense (because higher valued houses as we all know DO pay more tax). I would wager a million VN bucks that if Kushner paid zero taxes, he was using the laws to his advantage. And to that I say good for him, and would his accountant take any new clients.

I will wait for Luther's argument, but there is no way that I can conceive that the rich are a bigger net burden to society than the poor. No way. Income tax aside, the mathematics of their sales tax verse assistance used would be ridiculous compared to sales tax to assistance used by the poor. And when it comes to industry leaders and business owners, you would have to consider job creation and the sales tax created from that, etc.

I will hang up and listen to him give a rational and reasonable argument that the rich paying more is "fair".

 

[Orange_Crush]

unfortunately...That's typically the way any tax debate goes on either side.

Perhaps. I just hear that phrase "fair share" far too often with no support given as to why it is fair. And I'm not sure emotional appeals are enough to justify taking from others.

 

[volfanhill]

I will wait for Luther's argument, but there is no way that I can conceive that the rich are a bigger net burden to society than the poor. ".

I am sure he is referring to celebrities, and certain former VP’s, who have enormous carbon footprints all the while lecturing us peons about global warming. Oh wait no he’s not.

 

[GAVol]

Perhaps. I just hear that phrase "fair share" far too often with no support given as to why it is fair. And I'm not sure emotional appeals are enough to justify taking from others.

The problem is that most won't take the time to even read the article and realize how intellectually dishonest it is in an attempt to imply that a guy with a good accountant is a tax cheat. That's all in the world the left wants to do with Trump's tax returns.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Kushner

Once again, people who know **** all about taxes and accounting spouting off idiocy. When you take depreciation you lower your basis in that asset. You buy a building for 100 and depreciate it for 39 years. After 39 years your cost basis in the building is zero. So when you sell the building for 100, you pay taxes on 100. This has been the norm for decades. But as usual I don’t expect any of the dopes at the NYT to crack a book or educate themselves.

 

[Orange_Crush]

The problem is that most won't take the time to even read the article and realize how intellectually dishonest it is in an attempt to imply that a guy with a good accountant is a tax cheat. That's all in the world the left wants to do with Trump's tax returns.

Notice what happened when the question was asked if he actually paid no taxes. There was a whole lot of posturing with zero facts in this thread.

 

[Mick]

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[C-south]

Everyone should pay. I don’t get the “wealthy needs to pay their fair share” crap when the funny thing is the crying comes from people who pay 0% or get a once a year welfare check for being a greater burden on the system. Reward failure and punish success....the liberal way.

 

[hog88]

I expect to pay my fair share, do you not?

I try to pay as little as I have to.