2016 Transfer List:

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cwbytruckers said:
Good Lord if we had Kentucky's class you would complain
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I will be very happy with a top 100 6'8 or taller recruit that's isn't a transfer


If anyone thinks that's asking too much of Barnes then that's just plain being a homer at it's finest
 
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@JonRothstein: Ohio State transfer Daniel Giddens is considering Kentucky, Florida, FSU, Tennessee, Georgia, and Mississippi State, source told @CBSSports.
 
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BruinVol said:
I was talking about freshmen just like you asked.


Syracuse, Louisville, and KState all had 4star players outside of the top 50 producing with the numbers I posted.

Zero reason we can't do the same.
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How many freshman in a P5 conference averaged 20mpg 6ppg 4rpg 1bpg this past season, I'm all ears?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
How many freshman in a P5 conference averaged 20mpg 6ppg 4rpg 1bpg this past season, I'm all ears?
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Looks like a handful but what you have to consider is many of those names you listed were at programs where they played behind other top rated players

Again if Barnes is the elite recruiter we think he is he should be one of those able to pull that off especially considering that recruit should get every opportunity to play as there are no elite players on the roster ahead of them
 
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BruinVol said:
Looks like a handful but what you have to consider is many of those names you listed were at programs where they played behind other top rated players

Again if Barnes is the elite recruiter we think he is he should be one of those able to pull that off especially considering that recruit should get every opportunity to play as there are no elite players on the roster ahead of them
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And those handful of names are...

And Giddens was behind a guy headed to the NBA?

I don't expect Barnes to recruit like he did at Texas, so maybe that's where the disconnect is.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
And Giddens was behind a guy headed to the NBA?
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Yes but he played a lot. Right around that 20min mark

He may very well be a good one to get. 2 things Jump out that scare me about him. The fouls are extremely high and we know how Barnes won't deal with that

The other thing that jumps out is Ohs already have to centers committed the 16 class. Tells me they may very well may have been recruiting over him. Seems odd they would take 2 unless they knew he was leaving
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I don't expect Barnes to recruit like he did at Texas, so maybe that's where the disconnect is.
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I agree and don't think it will be as good but I don't think getting a top 100 big is unreasonable

If so then I am with you and would take this kid or the Tulane kid
 
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BruinVol said:
I agree and don't think it will be as good but I don't think getting a top 100 big is unreasonable

If so then I am with you and would take this kid or the Tulane kid
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No getting a top 75-100 kid is not unreasonable at all, but you basically seem to be saying that said player would be better immediately than Giddens, and that's where I disagree.

I think Giddens as a RS sophomore could easily be a 30mpg/9ppg/10rg/3bpg guy, I don't know if you can find any true freshman in the country outside the top 50 who's numbers resemble the ones I posted.

It seems pretty clear to me by the numbers I've shared that unless you get a top 25 type of guy that expecting more than 15-18mpg 3-5ppg 3-6rpg 1-2bpg is not very wise.
 
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Most freshman play behind experienced guys. Seems only Tennessee has no experience. So really there is no basis for any argument about freshman that makes sense to a Tennessee fan.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
No getting a top 75-100 kid is not unreasonable at all, but you basically seem to be saying that said player would be better immediately than Giddens, and that's where I disagree.

I think Giddens as a RS sophomore could easily be a 30mpg/9ppg/10rg/3bpg guy, I don't know if you can find any true freshman in the country outside the top 50 who's numbers resemble the ones I posted.

It seems pretty clear to me by the numbers I've shared that unless you get a top 25 type of guy that expecting more than 15-18mpg 3-5ppg 3-6rpg 1-2bpg is not very wise.
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Check the Syracuse, Louisville, and Kstate stats.

Also Va tech signed a kid right around the 100 mark rankings wise and he played one game. Scored 13 and played 30min. Looked like he was well on his way. I guess he got hurt?
 
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cwbytruckers said:
Most freshman play behind experienced guys. Seems only Tennessee has no experience. So really there is no basis for any argument about freshman that makes sense to a Tennessee fan.
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Correct so expecting higher production than the norm makes a lot sense in our case
 
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BruinVol said:
Check the Syracuse, Louisville, and Kstate stats.

Also Va tech signed a kid right around the 100 mark rankings wise and he played one game. Scored 13 and played 30min. Looked like he was well on his way. I guess he got hurt?
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BruinVol said:
Check the Syracuse, Louisville, and Kstate stats.

Also Va tech signed a kid right around the 100 mark rankings wise and he played one game. Scored 13 and played 30min. Looked like he was well on his way. I guess he got hurt?
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The numbers in your OP: 20mins 6pts 4rbd 1blk

Tyler Lydon is the only kid on Syracuse who fits that criteria of stats, and he doesn't fall into the 75-100 ranking being mentioned.

There's nobody on Louisville who matches that criteria and is a freshman.

There's nobody on Kansas Statw who matches that criteria and is a freshman.

That's a far cry from the handful of players you were trying to tell me there were, you literally couldn't even name 1 player who matches your criteria.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Dylan Osetowski is a transfer from Tulane who will have to sit out a year and will have 2 years left, Tennessee is one of the schools recruiting him..:

6'9" 255lbs as a sophomore: 32.4mpg 11.3ppg 8.3rpg 1.6apg 1.2spg 44%fg 27%3pt 68%ft
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Without seeing him play the only thing about him that screams 'NO' is that 44% from the field. That's not very good for a big against mid major competition.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
The numbers in your OP: 20mins 6pts 4rbd 1blk

Tyler Lydon is the only kid on Syracuse who fits that criteria of stats, and he doesn't fall into the 75-100 ranking being mentioned.

There's nobody on Louisville who matches that criteria and is a freshman.

There's nobody on Kansas Statw who matches that criteria and is a freshman.

That's a far cry from the handful of players you were trying to tell me there were, you literally couldn't even name 1 player who matches your criteria.
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Wade at Kstate

And Spaulding at Louisville


Here's the point of my opinion.


Looking at your #s it appears that about half of the top 50 bigs are "productive" as freshmen

Looking very quickly at the 50-100 guys it's appears that about 1/3 are "productive"


If any of those kids transfer out after being "unproductive" the chances those kids can ever develop into a "center piece" or all SEC type player goes down. Much less than the 1/3 IMO
 
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BruinVol said:
Wade at Kstate

And Spaulding at Louisville
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Neither guy meets the criteria listed.


Here's the point of my opinion.


Looking at your #s it appears that about half of the top 50 bigs are "productive" as freshmen

Looking very quickly at the 50-100 guys it's appears the are about 1/3 "productive"


If any of those kids transfer out after being "unproductive" the chances those kids can ever develop into a "center piece" or all SEC type player goes down. Much less than the 1/3 IMO
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Clearly your numbers aren't right as you told me there was a handful and I've still yet to see 1 guy who meets that's criteria.

It's pretty much common knowledge, typically guards are much more ready to contribute than big guys in basketball, it's not nearly as common to see a big man come in as a freshman and be a big time contributor (unless ranked accordingly).

Victor Ulayemno is an example, 2017 kid we are after who's ranked near what we've mentioned, not near a 5 star by any means. If he comes in ideally he's not seeing big minutes his freshman or probably even sophomore season, MPG/season ideally probably go 10-20-30-30...it's just not common to expect a big man ranked outside of the top guys to be a major contributor.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Neither guy meets the criteria listed.




Clearly your numbers aren't right as you told me there was a handful and I've still yet to see 1 guy who meets that's criteria.

It's pretty much common knowledge, typically guards are much more ready to contribute than big guys in basketball, it's not nearly as common to see a big man come in as a freshman and be a big time contributor (unless ranked accordingly).
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Agreed it does take bigs longer to contribute for sure

Those guys listed were at or close to all the benchmarks given.
 
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BruinVol said:
Agreed it does take bigs longer to contribute for sure

Those guys listed were at or close to all the benchmarks given.
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Close isn't at, and you would be the same way if the tables were turned. All that does is prove just how hard it is for you to find someone that fits that criteria, you're having to find guys who are "close", that's evidence enough.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Close isn't at, and you would be the same way if the tables were turned. All that does is prove just how hard it is for you to find someone that fits that criteria, you're having to find guys who are "close", that's evidence enough.
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Lol

I never said it was easy. All this board has talked about for a year now is how good a recruiter, evaluator of talent, and developer rick Barnes

If he is the HOF coach this board thinks he can a get in 2017 class that can be productive by putting up those numbers I posted
 
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#148
All these transfers that may or may not have good numbers. Sometimes a change of scenery or scheme helps. Oh wait that's only if our guys transfer out. I apologize. Go about your reading.
 
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#150
BruinVol said:
Lol

I never said it was easy. All this board has talked about for a year now is how good a recruiter, evaluator of talent, and developer rick Barnes

If he is the HOF coach this board thinks he can a get in 2017 class that can be productive by putting up those numbers I posted
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I've already addressed the recruiting, I don't think he's gonna be bringing in elite classes. The evaluator and developer only further proves my point, a guy typically doesn't get morphed overnight from a 75+ ranked guy to a NBA draft pick, that typically takes some time and effort, even more reason for those kinds of guys to be brought along and not just thrown in and have posters expecting them to put up 5* talent numbers right off the bat.

I think Alexander can develop into a SEC big, he wasn't as a freshman and he likely won't be as a sophomore, ideally he will be relied on as ~15mpg guy.
 
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