2016 Transfer List:

#77
#77
BruinVol said:
Dude you can't read

I said one of two things

Either a problem off the field OR lack of fitting in was the likely the reason for transfer

Either way I trust a guy that has recruited at an elite level over a long period of years in the 17 class over a kid that left a program for whatever reason
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Like I said, you'll be the first one to bash Barnes for missing on Obiagu and taking a lesser rated 3* guy instead, you've made it clear there's nothing he can do right in your mind.
 
#78
#78
bleedingTNorange said:
Like I said, you'll be the first one to bash Barnes for missing on Obiagu and taking a lesser rated 3* guy instead, you've made it clear there's nothing he can do right in your mind.
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If he can't get an elite big guy in the 2017 class then yes he will deserve criticism for sure

I believe his track record suggest he will and I have confidence he will get that done
 
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BruinVol said:
Either a problem off the field OR lack of fitting in was the likely the reason for transfer
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Or it's neither, and he just wants a fresh start for any other number of reasons. He was praised for his ecfort and attitude by his coach, and a clear path to playing time seems apparent with Thompson leaving for the NBA.

Your hard line opinions (most often assumptions with no basis) are what people find frustrating in your posting habits.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Or it's neither, and he just wants a fresh start for any other number of reasons. He was praised for his ecfort and attitude by his coach, and a clear path to playing time seems apparent with Thompson leaving for the NBA.

Your hard line opinions (most often assumptions with no basis) are what people find frustrating in your posting habits.
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You see it's not a hard line opinion. I play the %s.

I used words such as "likely" and "lessons the chances"

It's an opinion based on odds and knowing the history of transfers over the years

Could this kid be An outlier? Sure and if we get him I hope he is
 
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BruinVol said:
If he can't get an elite big guy in the 2017 class then yes he will deserve criticism for sure

I believe his track record suggest he will and I have confidence he will get that done
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Like I said, I would put the percentages very low of us landing a top 50 ranked big man in the '17 class, guess we will see.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Like I said, I would put the percentages very low of us landing a top 50 ranked big man in the '17 class, guess we will see.
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Then the wrong man is coaching us.


The 16 class should fill every other piece of the puzzle. Shouldn't be hard to sell the "center piece" to an elite big with that much time to build relationships in recruiting.

Keep in mind top 50 isn't my bench mark it seems to be yours. 4star top 100 talent is what I am talking about
 
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BruinVol said:
Then the wrong man is coaching us.


The 16 class should fill every other piece of the puzzle. Shouldn't be hard to sell the "center piece" to an elite big with that much time to build relationships in recruiting.

Keep in mind top 50 isn't my bench mark it seems to be yours. 4star top 100 talent is what I am talking about
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Top 50 > Top 100 talent majority of the time.

As my post on last years posts proved you shouldn't expect some huge contribution from a post recruit that's not top 20 overall. Yet you're sitting here saying how a 4 star ranked 95 in the country should come in and be the centerpiece for the Vols as a freshman down low? That seems like a pretty foolish line of thinking on multiple levels, but whatever you say Bruin.

I'll ride with a former top 50 redshirt sophomore down low who's had a year to practice with the Vols over a top 100 true freshman post player who's only been in the program a few months, I'm guessing as usual most disagree with your stance on this one.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Top 50 > Top 100 talent majority of the time.

As my post on last years posts proved you shouldn't expect some huge contribution from a post recruit that's not top 20 overall. Yet you're sitting here saying how a 4 star ranked 95 in the country should come in and be the centerpiece for the Vols as a freshman down low? That seems like a pretty foolish line of thinking on multiple levels, but whatever you say Bruin.

I'll ride with a former top 50 redshirt sophomore down low who's had a year to practice with the Vols over a top 100 true freshman post player who's only been in the program a few months, I'm guessing as usual most disagree with your stance on this one.
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Your post showed that this kid performed toward the bottom of the list you gave

Now if you want to suggest that those on the list averaging 8 or more PTs and over 20min a game want to transfer it's pretty easy to see that those guys are going to live up to those rankings.

Those kids averaging less than 5 points with minutes in the teens have taken the first steps toward being overrated
 
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BruinVol said:
Your post showed that this kid performed toward the bottom of the list you gave

Now if you want to suggest that those on the list averaging 8 or more PTs and over 20min a game want to transfer it's pretty easy to see that those guys are going to live up to those rankings.

Those kids averaging less than 5 points with minutes in the teens have taken the first steps toward being overrated
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Toward the bottom of the list in PPG, however offense is his current weakness, he's 5th in mpg on the list, but ranks 6th in RPG and 3rd in BPG, he's a guy who IMO would be a 8ppg/10rpg/3.5bpg as a redshirt sophomore. I don't feel confident at all in Tennessee finding a true freshman in the 75-100 range who's gonna come in and do that immediately.

Again, my post proves that expecting a true freshman to come in who's a high 3 star low 4 star, and be the "centerpiece of a team" is pretty damn insane.

What about Osetowki, would you pass on him for a shot with a 2017 kid as well?
 
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BruinVol said:
Lol


Where would Alexander's numbers fit on that list?


About the same as this kids I would think
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If Alexander is putting up those numbers as a junior I will be very pleased, it would also mean that a "centerpiece big man" doesn't have nearly as much of a need on the roster.

How Alexander develops physically will be important, if he gets strong but remains just as athletic he could definitely see time at the 4 with a guy like Giddens or Yurtseven on the roster.
 
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#91
bleedingTNorange said:
If Alexander is putting up those numbers as a junior I will be very pleased, it would also mean that a "centerpiece big man" doesn't have nearly as much of a need on the roster.

How Alexander develops physically will be important, if he gets strong but remains just as athletic he could definitely see time at the 4 with a guy like Giddens or Yurtseven on the roster.
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Alexander is going to be a hoss when he gets some weight on. A lot of you guys don't have confidence in our staff developing players. However if you look at how some of the guys progressed during this season should give us all confidence they know what they are doing.
 
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#92
cwbytruckers said:
Alexander is going to be a hoss when he gets some weight on. A lot of you guys don't have confidence in our staff developing players. However if you look at how some of the guys progressed during this season should give us all confidence they know what they are doing.
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I'm excited for Alexander, however I think he can likely be a much more effective 4/5 a lot sooner than he can be a 5/4. A lot of that has to do with the roster makeup which is unfortunate because that's out of players control, but it's a part of it.
 
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#94
Of the incoming freshmen. Is there a potential Duke Crews or Tyler Smith type player among them? Other than the videos that have been posted I honestly have no idea what to expect from this class.
 
#95
#95
bleedingTNorange said:
If Alexander is putting up those numbers as a junior I will be very pleased, it would also mean that a "centerpiece big man" doesn't have nearly as much of a need on the roster.

How Alexander develops physically will be important, if he gets strong but remains just as athletic he could definitely see time at the 4 with a guy like Giddens or Yurtseven on the roster.
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My op was saying there wasn't much difference in giddens and Alexander's freshmen numbers
 
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cwbytruckers said:
Of the incoming freshmen. Is there a potential Duke Crews or Tyler Smith type player among them? Other than the videos that have been posted I honestly have no idea what to expect from this class.
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Smith wasn't a freshmen for us. I don't recall crews having off the chart numbers so hopefully Williams or fulk can get close to his production
 
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BruinVol said:
My op was saying there wasn't much difference in giddens and Alexander's freshmen numbers
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There's actually a pretty decent difference in the PPG department which was your chief complaint about Giddens.

You never responded to my question about Osetowski?
 
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