2016 Election Thread Part Deux

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1972 Grad said:
I thought it was quite clever. Some of you folks are driving me to Trump because he gets under your skin, and I didn't vote for him.
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It's becoming quite clear that many of the Trumpkins have skin just as paper-thin as the people they mock. Any insult to Dear Leader is met with denial, memes (although I will admit, they're very solid) and name-calling as they scurry back to their safe spaces.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Here is the way that I see it, just my opinion. People want to blame Trump for the violence. The fact is that these people are being paid to go to Trump rallies to provoke a reaction. If you send several mouthy, vulgar protestors to a Bernie rally, carrying signs and yelling at Bernie supporters, there will be more violence than you see at a Trump rally.
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You are right. There is no call for people to go into Trump rallies with the express intent of disruption. However, this took place outside where damned if the 1st Amendment doesn't protect them to say anything they want. Vulgarity or not.

1972 Grad said:
The girl was carrying a sign that said "Damn Donald there you go with the white supremacists again", or something very close to that, and shouting obscenities at Trump supporters. She got what she was looking for, which was a confrontation.
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Words hurt obviously. I hope those Trump supporters can find a safe place to get some counseling over a nasty sign.

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Now, what I would like you to do when you have about 4 minutes is to go to youtube.com, and type in "Bernie versus Trump who is more violent?" Look at the Joey salads video, and watch the reactions of people to the same guy carrying a Trump sign versus him carrying a Bernie sign. Watch the Bernie supporters get violent and completely lose it over a Trump sign.
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Yep, saw it earlier in this thread and saw the reactions. And like most videos on YouTube that desire a slanted outcome, this one very likely omitted some things as well. And you should know better than to take everything at face value.

But more to the point, this is somehow supposed to excuse a supposed grown ass man getting tapped by a teenage girl and another supposed grown ass man retaliating with a can of pepper spray?
 
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volbeast33 said:
I'm saying your opinion would be different if it didn't involve trump...... I'm voting third party for the first time ever bc I have no faith in any of the candidates.
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No it wouldn't. If this was a Cruz supporter or a Bernie supporter or had a Rubio supporter done that while he was running, I'd be saying the same thing.

But unfortunately for you, it happened at a Trump rally. So your argument is invalid.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You are right. There is no call for people to go into Trump rallies with the express intent of disruption. However, this took place outside where damned if the 1st Amendment doesn't protect them to say anything they want. Vulgarity or not.



Words hurt obviously. I hope those Trump supporters can find a safe place to get some counseling over a nasty sign.



Yep, saw it earlier in this thread and saw the reactions. And like most videos on YouTube that desire a slanted outcome, this one very likely omitted some things as well. And you should know better than to take everything at face value.

But more to the point, this is somehow supposed to excuse a supposed grown ass man getting tapped by a teenage girl and another supposed grown ass man retaliating with a can of pepper spray?
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Was it a man that had pepper spray? That's funny right there.... What kind of pu$$y carries pepper spray?
 
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Grand Vol said:
No it wouldn't. If this was a Cruz supporter or a Bernie supporter or had a Rubio supporter done that while he was running, I'd be saying the same thing.

But unfortunately for you, it happened at a Trump rally. So your argument is invalid.
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Unfortunate for me? I am not voting for trump.... I am not voting for Hillary....i really don't like anyone but I have seen your comments about similar situations and you are not so ready to feel sympathy for someone causing the confrontation..... She went looking for a fight and got it..... She was lucky that it didn't escalate into something much worse.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Unfortunate for me? I am not voting for trump.... I am not voting for Hillary....i really don't like anyone but I have seen your comments about similar situations and you are not so ready to feel sympathy for someone causing the confrontation..... She went looking for a fight and got it..... She was lucky that it didn't escalate into something much worse.
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Went looking for a fight? Forgive me while I laugh.

Takes a big man to escalate a situation with a teenage girl. So brave.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Went looking for a fight? Forgive me while I laugh.

Takes a big man to escalate a situation with a teenage girl. So brave.
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He didn't hit her.... The guy pushed her and then put his arms up and tried to walk away which she kept running towards and took a swing at him.... Not sure who did the pepper spray but if it was a man he deserves ridicule..... You act like the guy attacked her when he pushed her back and tries to walk away.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You are right. There is no call for people to go into Trump rallies with the express intent of disruption. However, this took place outside where damned if the 1st Amendment doesn't protect them to say anything they want. Vulgarity or not.



Words hurt obviously. I hope those Trump supporters can find a safe place to get some counseling over a nasty sign.



Yep, saw it earlier in this thread and saw the reactions. And like most videos on YouTube that desire a slanted outcome, this one very likely omitted some things as well. And you should know better than to take everything at face value.

But more to the point, this is somehow supposed to excuse a supposed grown ass man getting tapped by a teenage girl and another supposed grown ass man retaliating with a can of pepper spray?
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Question needing an honest answer:

A couple of rednecks go to a Bernie or Hillary rally and they are "outside, where damned if the 1st Amendment doesn't protect them to say anything they want. Vulgarity or not." Now, they are standing among hundreds of Hill/Bern supporters, and they are carrying signs saying that Bernie is a damn communist, or Hillary is a m### f##ing liar, and they are shouting obscenities at Hillary/Bernie supporters, and chanting "white lives matter" or "blue lives matter."

Then , a heated argument ensues, and the redneck takes a swing at the Dem supporter. What do you think happens to them? Did they get what they deserve, and is Hillary or Bernie responsible? Well......
 
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golfballs said:
Who do you think will be?
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Cruz most likely.

I didn't believe that Trump was topping out but his comments lately have been so alienating that I think he is going to top out at 30 - 35%.

Cruz could close the gap, maybe over take Trump.

I don't think either will hit 1237.

Hard to see a contested going to Kasich (though he's the only one beating Hillary and Sanders).

Outside chance they throw Paul Ryan into the mix.

More cynical than in a while that Hillary will be the winner.
 
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volbeast33 said:
He didn't hit her.... The guy pushed her and then put his arms up and tried to walk away which she kept running towards and took a swing at him.... Not sure who did the pepper spray but if it was a man he deserves ridicule..... You act like the guy attacked her when he pushed her back and tries to walk away.
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You watched the video? That looks like a "punch?"

I must have missed Mike Tyson coming from out of the blue with that hit.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You watched the video? That looks like a "punch?"

I must have missed Mike Tyson coming from out of the blue with that hit.
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I didn't say she was rocky but she took a swing at someone.... The guy pushed her .... Not hard enough to shove her on the ground and tried walking away.... If it was a man that pepper sprayed her then he deserves massive ridicule if it was a woman than its more understandable.... I don't think what happened deserves much discussion bc I didn't see a lot happening but I do believe the BLM people came looking for a fight
 
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Grand Vol said:
You watched the video? That looks like a "punch?"

I must have missed Mike Tyson coming from out of the blue with that hit.
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just watched it - no call for the pepper spraying.

that said, if you agitate you shouldn't be surprised if there are consequences deserved or not.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Question needing an honest answer:

A couple of rednecks go to a Bernie or Hillary rally and they are "outside, where damned if the 1st Amendment doesn't protect them to say anything they want. Vulgarity or not." Now, they are standing among hundreds of Hill/Bern supporters, and they are carrying signs saying that Bernie is a damn communist, or Hillary is a m### f##ing liar, and they are shouting obscenities at Hillary/Bernie supporters, and chanting "white lives matter" or "blue lives matter."

Then , a heated argument ensues, and the redneck takes a swing at the Dem supporter. What do you think happens to them? Did they get what they deserve, and is Hillary or Bernie responsible? Well......
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Let's be clear on the first qualification of your attempted trap here. Nothing she did could ever be construed as a "punch" by any means. Nothing. She's an overweight teenage girl that shoved at whomever she was having words with.

So would you like to redo your scenario with the accurate information?
 
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volinbham said:
Cruz most likely.

I didn't believe that Trump was topping out but his comments lately have been so alienating that I think he is going to top out at 30 - 35%.

Cruz could close the gap, maybe over take Trump.

I don't think either will hit 1237.

Hard to see a contested going to Kasich (though he's the only one beating Hillary and Sanders).

Outside chance they throw Paul Ryan into the mix.

More cynical than in a while that Hillary will be the winner.
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I continue to believe Cruz would be worse than Trump. Of the sewage pool of candidates we've been proffered, he's the most repulsive flotsam.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I didn't say she was rocky but she took a swing at someone.... The guy pushed her .... Not hard enough to shove her on the ground and tried walking away.... If it was a man that pepper sprayed her then he deserves massive ridicule if it was a woman than its more understandable.... I don't think what happened deserves much discussion bc I didn't see a lot happening but I do believe the BLM people came looking for a fight
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Bull. ****. There was no swing whatsoever. No angle on that video is ever going to portray a "swing" by any means.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Let's be clear on the first qualification of your attempted trap here. Nothing she did could ever be construed as a "punch" by any means. Nothing. She's an overweight teenage girl that shoved at whomever she was having words with.

So would you like to redo your scenario with the accurate information?
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Answer the question about what would happen to the 2 rednecks if they did exactly what she did at a Hillary/Bernie rally, and would Hillary/Bernie be responsible for whatever happened?
 
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