2015 NBA Finals Thread

#927
#927
GahLee said:
Irving had a very good defensive effort in game one but he plays a style that still slows Curry to get his. Dellevadova is playing a frustrating style of defense. He's face guarding and constantly putting hands on Curry. Therein lies the difference, Irving used his athletic ability to make plays and simply stay in front of Curry, where Matthew is playing him with pure physicality and grit.
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I said he had a good defensive game, but he's not frustrating Curry like Delly has. Curry is used to guys playing him like Kyrie did, he's not used to Dellys style. Its throwing him off which is messing with the whole offense. I do think he will figure it out next game, but its been killing him these past 2 games.
 
#929
#929
One of the huge factors is the refs are letting them play, for the most part. Like that Mosgov/Green collision last night...no-call was the right call, but that gets called 9/10 times. Not in this series.
 
#930
#930
n_huffhines said:
Actually, for once I was basing my analysis on what I see. I just threw in 4 steals and 7 boards to support my point. I don't see what you're talking about. IMO, Curry would destroy Delly if there wasn't so much help. He can get around Delly pretty easy, IMO. He stays on Curry's hip because the other guys slow him down.
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What? You said he's more athletic and threw in stats. How is that not stat based? When Curry is off the ball he can't shake free at all, Delly is able to stay on his hip cause that's all he has to do. That's the difference.
 
#931
#931
n_huffhines said:
Actually, for once I was basing my analysis on what I see. I just threw in 4 steals and 7 boards to support my point. I don't see what you're talking about. IMO, Curry would destroy Delly if there wasn't so much help. He can get around Delly pretty easy, IMO. He stays on Curry's hip because the other guys slow him down.
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Curry is getting his ass handed to him by Dellevadova. What are you talking about?
 
#933
#933
volinreallife said:
Ass handed with a lot of help.

Nobody is hitting anything for gs and that allows all defenders to key on curry.
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Sure thing. You, like most people probably ball watch. Watch him guard Curry when he doesn't have the ball.

Also, help defense is a thing. It's a help defense league.

You and others need to stop pretending that he isn't absolutley doing an amazing job on Curry.
 
#934
#934
I tried to find a video of all Curry's misses this series, and this is the best I could do. Here are all 13 of Curry's 3 point misses in game 2. Dellavadova only defended him on 4 of the 13, and he was only in his face on two of the shots (behind him on one, and the other one he was stumbling and late to close out).

So, it looks like game 2 was a team effort, at least.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_PtpFmWPMY[/youtube]
 
#936
#936
n_huffhines said:
I tried to find a video of all Curry's misses this series, and this is the best I could do. Here are all 13 of Curry's 3 point misses in game 2. Dellavadova only defended him on 4 of the 13, and he was only in his face on two of the shots (behind him on one, and the other one he was stumbling and late to close out).

So, it looks like game 2 was a team effort, at least.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_PtpFmWPMY[/youtube]
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Perfect timing
 
#939
#939
BadJerry20 said:
Perfect timing
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It's a copout to say people ball watch. We can't argue that. You can say he does a better job off the ball, but I can't find a video that confirms or refutes that. It takes the conversation to a place that is 100% hearsay.
 
#941
#941
n_huffhines said:
It's a copout to say people ball watch. We can't argue that. You can say he does a better job off the ball, but I can't find a video that confirms or refutes that. It takes the conversation to a place that is 100% hearsay.
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Pay attention to the whole floor and you can argue it. It's not my problem I watch basketball differently than you and notice the whole floor.
 
#942
#942
n_huffhines said:
It's a copout to say people ball watch. We can't argue that. You can say he does a better job off the ball, but I can't find a video that confirms or refutes that. It takes the conversation to a place that is 100% hearsay.
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No it doesn't. He's in Steph's jersey at all times. It's infuriating to have a player face guard you. That's not relying on help defense. That's your team saying to you "your man, cover him. " Most players have to defend space and be accountable for help. Dellevadova isn't doing that for the most part. He's been given the assignment and so far he's flourished at it.

Watch when Shumpert guards Curry, he allows more space because he's bigger and more athletic. He probably instinctively believes that he can make up the space. It doesn't work. Dellevadova is doing everything that frustrates a player. Picking up at half court, off ball pressure, face guarding and constantly having hands on him.

Simply put, he's playing Curry in a manner in which most players are afraid to. Give him credit.
 
#943
#943
I think Curry is missing all of these shots because Delly (and Kyrie too to an extent) is roughing him up a little and getting in his head before the ball even reaches his hands.
 
#944
#944
BadJerry20 said:
Pay attention to the whole floor and you can argue it. It's not my problem I watch basketball differently than you and notice the whole floor.
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Why do you assume I don't watch the whole floor? God, you guys are arrogant. It's like I'm talking to basketball royalty right now. Teach me how to watch the whole floor, please.
 
#945
#945
BadJerry20 said:
Pay attention to the whole floor and you can argue it. It's not my problem I watch basketball differently than you and notice the whole floor.
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I rarely watch the ball, always been that way. I like to watch the action of the play and try and see what it is a team is trying to do.

It's easy to do because you can always switch back to the ball and see the shot. And it's not like there isn't going to be a replay.

Take Curry's most incredible shot last night. He has the ball on the right wing and starts to cross court, I stop watching him and see that two screens are being set and then a third, before he ever got past the first screen I knew Curry was about to get a good look. It ended up being more contested than I thought it would be.

Not many people watch the game that way, it's the only way I can.
 
#946
#946
GahLee said:
I rarely watch the ball, always been that way. I like to watch the action of the play and try and see what it is a team is trying to do.

It's easy to do because you can always switch back to the ball and see the shot. And it's not like there isn't going to be a replay.

Take Curry's most incredible shot last night. He has the ball on the right wing and starts to cross court, I stop watching him and see that two screens are being set and then a third, before he ever got past the first screen I knew Curry was about to get a good look. It ended up being more contested than I thought it would be.

Not many people watch the game that way, it's the only way I can.
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How the hell did you see all that? It's damn amazing!
 
#947
#947
n_huffhines said:
Why do you assume I don't watch the whole floor? God, you guys are arrogant. It's like I'm talking to basketball royalty right now. Teach me how to watch the whole floor, please.
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Considering you frame everything in black and white and ignore circumstance and context and on top of that you operate in the margins in regards to statistical measure it's hard to assume you watch the game at all. Let alone do more than the average dolt who stares at the ball.
 
#948
#948
GahLee said:
Considering you frame everything in black and white and ignore circumstance and context and on top of that you operate in the margins in regards to statistical measure it's hard to assume you watch the game at all. Let alone do more than the average dolt who stares at the ball.
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How many screens can you keep up with on any given play? I want something to shoot for. I wanna take my basketball watching to new levels.
 
#949
#949
n_huffhines said:
How the hell did you see all that? It's damn amazing!
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Most people don't watch that way. They ball watch. It's natural. I'm not saying I'm smarter than other people but most people watch it as it happens. I'm watching the third screener get in to position well before Steph starts his action on the other side of the court.

Doing that, you can see what is going to happen before it does. Doesn't make me smarter just means I watch the game differently.
 
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