'19 CA QB JT Daniels (Georgia commit)

[sjt18]

There’s a big difference in playing time options for 5 starting OL and backups with plenty of snaps vs an ideal starting quarterback’s tho? That you admit?

Of course it isn't the exact same thing. But the point was about the feelings of guys who will get less or possibly no playing time due to the transfer in of a better player. In either situation, someone is eventually left out. And potentially an OL that thought they might have a legitimate shot at starting one day... could find themselves hopelessly buried and decide transfer.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

I don't think UT can win 9 with JG. I'm not sure UT can win 8 with JG.

We literally just did.

And I stopped reading after that

 

[TrippieRedd]

Of course it isn't the exact same thing. But the point was about the feelings of guys who will get less or possibly no playing time due to the transfer in of a better player. In either situation, someone is eventually left out. And potentially an OL that thought they might have a legitimate shot at starting one day... could find themselves hopelessly buried and decide transfer.

You lose one or two lineman to transfer it’s easier because you recruit 3-4 every year lmao

You get 1 maybe 2 QB’s a year. So if 1-2 transfer you’re ****ed espcially if it’s your elite one.

Here’s an example for you.
Richmond and Tatum went bye bye, didn’t hurt us

We lose Maurer and HB
well we MIGHT have JT for another year and we have Shrout with NO 2021 QB commit.

 

[sjt18]

And Daniels got better as his FR year went on. His best two games were the last two. He threw for 337 against UCLA and 349 against ND, which was a playoff team that year. He was 18 of 19 in the 1st half of the Notre Dame game and set a school record for completions with 37.

Thanks. By comparison, I don't think someone could make a sound case that JG got better in the last two games of his RS Jr year.

My "hobby horse" opinion is that he has innate weaknesses in processing reads and anticipation of throws. I think coaches who game plan well to capitalize on those weaknesses have stopped UT's O without too much regard to how talented their defensive players are. IU and Vandy were bottom half of UT's schedule in terms of defensive talent.

 

[butchna]

Of course it isn't the exact same thing. But the point was about the feelings of guys who will get less or possibly no playing time due to the transfer in of a better player. In either situation, someone is eventually left out. And potentially an OL that thought they might have a legitimate shot at starting one day... could find themselves hopelessly buried and decide transfer.

If they’re “hopelessly buried” at fourth string or lower maybe. If you’re a second string OL you’re one snap from starting or netting plenty of snaps...and the previous 3rd stringer behind you is on the clock. Iron Man big uglies aren’t trending when everybody’s over 300lbs and we still have human ligament and tendons.

 

[RyanWalkerPGH]

We scored over 30 points against a Power 5 opponent once last season (South Carolina) and JG didn't even play half the game. It's embarrassing. We need to do whatever we can to jump start the offense. Playing conservatively because of JG's inadequacy isn't gonna get it done or beat any of our big rivals.

 

[sjt18]

We literally just did.

And I stopped reading after that

Who was the best OOC opponent on UT's schedule last fall? Probably a 7-6 BYU team, right? A team that would not have been bowl eligible if UT's QB play early in the season had not been so bad that Pruitt tried a "not ready" true Fr. That ain't OU in Norman.

Furman came closer to beating GSU than UT did behind JG.

I would be willing to forget that... if not for JG's performance in those last two games. That won't get it done against even Charlotte.

Assuming JG as the starter, ESPN or someone predicted UT would lose to South Carolina. I don't think you can argue that USCe is more talented than UT at any position except QB.

 

[sjt18]

If they’re “hopelessly buried” at fourth string or lower maybe. If you’re a second string OL you’re one snap from starting or netting plenty of snaps...and the previous 3rd stringer behind you is on the clock. Iron Man big uglies aren’t trending when everybody’s over 300lbs and we still have human ligament and tendons.

I think you forgot the original thing you challenged me on. You appear to be agreeing that you take the best players you can get regardless of what someone down the depth chart might do in response.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Who was the best OOC opponent on UT's schedule last fall? Probably a 7-6 BYU team, right? A team that would not have been bowl eligible if UT's QB play early in the season had not been so bad that Pruitt tried a "not ready" true Fr. That ain't OU in Norman.

Furman came closer to beating GSU than UT did behind JG.

I would be willing to forget that... if not for JG's performance in those last two games. That won't get it done against even Charlotte.

Wait I’m confused ... so we didn’t just win 8 games with JG? Because I couldn’t sworn we did.

 

[butchna]

I think you forgot the original thing you challenged me on. You appear to be agreeing that you take the best players you can get regardless of what someone down the depth chart might do in response.

Didn’t realize I was “challenging” you boss! I DISAGREED with your comparison of adding OL’s via transfer vs quarterbacks. Different dynamic? Mebbe a little?

 

[UTSuave’]

Are people forgetting that HB was ok with possibly coming in last years class with another QB?...(Haynes King) to be exact..why would this one be any different? I think this pick up effects BM and JT more than anything

 

[Ron Swanson]

We literally just did.

And I stopped reading after that

Don’t forget how he was the main reason we started 0-2. He was also benched multiple times and the only reason Pruitt kept putting him back out there is because he had no other options. Maurer kept smashing his head on the ground and Shrout clearly wasn’t ready.

Don’t you remember how badly JG played at times!?! Is that really the guy you want starting this fall? Even without spring ball I’d give HB the start game 1 and take my chances. JG is a head case who doesn’t have “it”.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

If Pruitt told Bailey that he’s our QB for the future, then it wouldn’t make sense to bring in Daniels.

Whether we like it or not, JG is going to start due to already having in game experience. Again, I don’t agree with this but most everybody knows who Pruitt is going to give the nod too this season.

That’s my only knock off I have against Pruitt right now.

 

[Joe Dirt]

Also, I know you’re like “if it pisses HB off and he leaves” blah blah blah, but think about this, you take another QB, you piss off Maurer as well, he also leaves. You’re left with JT D and JT S, with no elite QB commits for the future.

This is that loser mindset they keep referring to. #7-5

 

[TrippieRedd]

This is that loser mindset they keep referring to. #7-5

Technically you’re correct because we won’t win after this season if JT comes here and others leave.

 

[butchna]

Are people forgetting that HB was ok with possibly coming in last years class with another QB?...(Haynes King) to be exact..why would this one be any different? I think this pick up effects BM and JT more than anything

Untested rumor. He ever state that in an interview? There was another rumor during the season that HB was opening his recruitment. If King was a fellow commit would that have been more a likelihood? In any case, adding Daniels would be like adding another alpha QB to the same class...after the fact. Still different tho. If we’re still doing hypotheticals, Daniels picking us, arriving whenever it’s allowed, learning the offense and connecting with the other skill players AND winning the starting job is on a razor thin timetable...which decreases the odds of him having a NFL early declaration level season.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Don’t forget how he was the main reason we started 0-2. He was also benched multiple times and the only reason Pruitt kept putting him back out there is because he had no other options. Maurer kept smashing his head on the ground and Shrout clearly wasn’t ready.

Don’t you remember how badly JG played at times!?! Is that really the guy you want starting this fall? Even without spring ball I’d give HB the start game 1 and take my chances. JG is a head case who doesn’t have “it”.

Poster said we don’t win 8 games with JG.

I said, we just did.

That is all.

Let’s not make this out like I’m suggesting JG is the answer.

edit: Also we win vs BYU if not for Taylor’s gaffe and Warriors whif.

 

[RyanWalkerPGH]

Poster said we don’t win 8 games with JG.

I said, we just did.

That is all.

Let’s not make this out like I’m suggesting JG is the answer.

edit: Also we win vs BYU if not for Taylor’s gaffe and Warriors whif.

I could be wrong, but when people say 8 games I assume they are saying 8 regular season wins.

 

[Joe Dirt]

Technically you’re correct because we won’t win after this season if JT comes here and others leave.

I get the fear of the the QB room bottoming out. Kind of. But you don't factor in bringing in another transfer if that happens. OU brought in transfers for four straight years and still landed Rattler (and kept him for a RS year).

If JT came here and we went 9-3, and we lost 2-3 QB's, I think a lot of transfers as well as incoming freshman would be extremely interested in coming here. I don't think we are just going to run into a situation where we suddenly have no options at the position.

Edit: the guys we are worried about losing were not priority recruits that were hard to land. Hell, we took Shrout as a panic move in Pruitt's abbreviated class after Martinez and the kid who went to IU decommitted. Shrouts and Mauers are dime a dozen.

 

[cncchris33]

Lol smh, I’ll take JG over meniscus tear

I wouldn’t take JG over a corpse. Your anti-Daniels campaign is approaching D4H territory. Tennessee isn’t in a position to turn down a former 5* QB with talent. It would be different if he were a grad transfer with one year to play and mediocre career stats plus coming off of a season ending injury. Instead, he’s a rSO with a year of starting experience, obvious talent, and a really good OC in Chaney to help put the pieces together.

 

[TrippieRedd]

I wouldn’t take JG over a corpse. Your anti-Daniels campaign is approaching D4H territory. Tennessee isn’t in a position to turn down a former 5* QB with talent. It would be different if he were a grad transfer with one year to play and mediocre career stats plus coming off of a season ending injury. Instead, he’s a rSO with a year of starting experience, obvious talent, and a really good OC in Chaney to help put the pieces together.

You want to throw $100 in the ring as well?

 

[cncchris33]

You want to throw $100 in the ring as well?

$100 on what?

 

[TrippieRedd]

$100 on what?

That you think JT is an upgrade which means more than 8 wins.

 

[Joe Dirt]

That you think JT is an upgrade which means more than 8 wins.

I think you're missing the point. The point isn't to automatically win more games, it's to improve the position which would ultimately affect the W column. You need competition at every position.

I mean hell, I'd love for JT to come here and HB to be so fu*king good he beats him out and JT never plays.

At the end of the day, you need as many good player at the position as possible.

 

[cncchris33]

That you think JT is an upgrade which means more than 8 wins.

How is a bet like that graded? Let’s say we land JTD and JG still starts the season out as the starter due to his familiarity in the system, and goes 1-3. Daniels takes over and goes 6-2 the rest of the way and we finish 7-5. Clearly JTD was an upgrade in that scenario, but I lose the bet because JG put me in a hole to start the season?

Nah, I’ll pass.

I just want to win and have the best players possible. I have no doubt that JTD is better than at least one scholarship QB we have. If he comes here and the worst QB transfers, then we upgraded, and hopefully the most talented player at every position plays.