'19 CA QB JT Daniels (Georgia commit)

[TrippieRedd]

Because JG is a 7-5 QB and you may be cool with that but the rest of us want better results. Whether you realize it or not JTD is an immediate upgrade to the QB room. He’s better than any QB on the roster not named Bailey. And he might be better than HB. Hope we get to find out.

I’d be willing to bet money that JT doesn’t get us past 7-8 wins

 

[VolInDayton]

Keller type of impact

I honestly forget, Did Keller come in cause people to transfer? What was our current roster like when he announced he came in? I know Dormady went to sit in Houston before finding some success in the MAC where he lost in championship to Miami. Will McBride ended up at Lamar.

Even if you think they are comparable players (which I don't see at all) we needed depth at QB when we took Keller and I don't know what it cost us besides a scholarship by taking him.

 

[TrippieRedd]

I honestly forget, Did Keller come in cause people to transfer? What was our current roster like when he announced he came in? I know Dormady went to sit in Houston before finding some success in the MAC where he lost in championship to Miami. Will McBride ended up at Lamar.

Even if you think they are comparable players (which I don't see at all) we needed depth at QB when we took Keller and I don't know what it cost us besides a scholarship by taking him.

Even if you take JT, bet Pruitt rides with JG.
He will sit JG, then JT will come in look good for a game, our new “savior”, we get to a good team and we lose, then everyone goes to volnation to complain about how we took him and wasted a scholly.

 

[Ron Swanson]

I’d be willing to bet money that JT doesn’t get us past 7-8 wins

If JTD becomes a Vol I’ll bet you $100 we win 9+. And we definitely won’t if JG is the starter all season.

 

[TrippieRedd]

If JTD becomes a Vol I’ll bet you $100 we win 9+.

Sounds good to me.

 

[MrVolton]

I’d be willing to bet money that JT doesn’t get us past 7-8 wins

Smart money is on 7-8 wins regardless of who the QB is. QB play cost us at least 3 maybe 4 games last year though. There are only 4 teams on the schedule that are more talented than us. JT could make the difference in us stealing one of those and getting to 9.

 

[VolInDayton]

Even if you take JT, bet Pruitt rides with JG.
He will sit JG, then JT will come in look good for a game, our new “savior”, we get to a good team and we lose, then everyone goes to volnation to complain about how we took him and wasted a scholly.

I can't keep straight the complaints about how Pruitt handles our QBs. People hate that he is loyal to JG. Then some are critical that he had too short of leash and it wasn't fair to anyone that he played QB roulette.

All I know is once we changed how we managed our QB situation we finished the season strong which gives me confidence in the staff.

 

[sjt18]

Because JG is a 7-5 QB and you may be cool with that but the rest of us want better results. Whether you realize it or not JTD is an immediate upgrade to the QB room. He’s better than any QB on the roster not named Bailey. And he might be better than HB. Hope we get to find out.

Don't agree with all of your opinions here but it seems that some are vested in NOT wanting JG's job challenged

 

[Ron Swanson]

Don't agree with all of your opinions here but it seems that some are vested in NOT wanting JG's job challenged

It’s the weirdest thing, many people don’t want more than one good QB at a time. It’s mind blowing. They get attached to a guy and the thought of bringing in someone better upsets them. Very strange...

 

[TrippieRedd]

Don't agree with all of your opinions here but it seems that some are vested in NOT wanting JG's job challenged

Biggest worry is potentially losing Maurer, Shrout, Bailey if we take JT.

I’m just doing what ifs. We get JT and we lose Bailey or even 2 of those dudes then what? We have no elite QB commits for the future. So one good season then after that we go back to 6-6, 7-5?

You think one 9 win season will change recruiting?

 

[sjt18]

I can't keep straight the complaints about how Pruitt handles our QBs. People hate that he is loyal to JG. Then some are critical that he had too short of leash and it wasn't fair to anyone that he played QB roulette.

All I know is once we changed how we managed our QB situation we finished the season strong which gives me confidence in the staff.

I honestly don't know how he could have handled it much better with an underperforming RS Jr starter.

He gave JG a chance then replaced him reluctantly with someone who wasn't ready to handle the whole job. He then worked JG back in because of his experience running an O in college. JG is a flawed QB. Fatally flawed IMO. So getting the wins they got after that start to me indicates Pruitt couldn't have handled it much better.

I would give improvements on D and the OL far more credit than any of the QB's.

 

[sjt18]

Biggest worry is potentially losing Maurer, Shrout, Bailey if we take JT.

If they run from a challenge right away then are they a QB you can win with? I think one or two of them at least will transfer regardless if UT continues to sign great QB prospects. But you don't get championship caliber QB's by not taking guys who might be better than the guys on your roster.

I’m just doing what ifs. We get JT and we lose Bailey or even 2 of those dudes then what? We have no elite QB commits for the future. So one good season then after that we go back to 6-6, 7-5?

I think Daniels has 3 years to play, right? So if you do not lose everyone this year and recruit a great one next year... you're covered. It isn't realistic to think that 5 or 6 guys who have a real opportunity to start will stay in the same room... knowing they may never start.

You think one 9 win season will change recruiting?

No but your risks of returning to mediocrity are much worse if you don't try to get the best players you can regardless of the feelings of current players. Players have to understand that a coach's job is to recruit players capable of beating them out. Did you see the video recently posted? The guy absolutely NAILED it.

 

[UTSuave’]

Pruitt went into that game a Bama boy but left a TN boy. I really think that's when things changed

@coskramer ya damn straight! Ole boy was pissed and to be honest I think it all started when they randomly called time to discuss some bs! When we were on the verge of scoring,JG called the auditable and JJ became the QB in the wildcat that was the biggest foul up I’ve ever seen in college football and to this day I still don’t think Pruitt got a clear explanation as to why they did that.he won’t forget it this year.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

It’s the weirdest thing, many people don’t want more than one good QB at a time. It’s mind blowing. They get attached to a guy and the thought of bringing in someone better upsets them. Very strange...

People are just afraid that Bailey will bounce. I get that. If JT comes in and Bailey chooses to transfer and then JT goes to the draft, that leaves us where at QB in 2021? Most like Shrout and Maurer are gone also so that would have us bringing in a freshman in Salter maybe, and who else?

I'm with you that I want JT badly, but I can understand the hesitancy with wondering what would happen with Bailey.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Biggest worry is potentially losing Maurer, Shrout, Bailey if we take JT.

I’m just doing what ifs. We get JT and we lose Bailey or even 2 of those dudes then what? We have no elite QB commits for the future. So one good season then after that we go back to 6-6, 7-5?

You think one 9 win season will change recruiting?

So you’ve been saying you don’t think JTD is all that good but you also say you’re worried that if he comes the other QB’s might leave? Which is it? He’s not that good or you’re afraid he might be really good and scare off some lesser talent?

Stop with that mindset. It’s Pruitts job to bring in the best of the best year after year. Just like Rucker and that guy in the video talked about, if he’s not trying to upgrade every spot, every year, he will lose his job to an upgrade.

The proper mindset is recruit the best possible players all the time, never worry about who might get their feelings hurt and transfer. That’s for losers and betas. Winning teams are full of alphas, 4 deep at every position from coaches down to kickers. It’s time our fans act accordingly.

 

[UTSuave’]

"Cost us the game" is when the game is in hand, or close to it. Guarantano made a bad play in that spot that put the game out of reach, but saying it "cost us the game" is unreasonable.

Best case scenario after that play, we are still down 28-19, on the road, to the #1 team in the country, without Bituli, halfway through the 4th quarter. What would be the win expectancy, down by a touchdown and still needing a PAT, a TD, a 2-pt conversion, and a defensive shutout just to tie the damn game? 5% 10%? 20%? It didn't help, but certainly didn't "cost us the game."

You know what else cost us a remote CHANCE at winning the game? Bituli foolishly targeting and missing the 2nd half. Toots foolishly targeting the prior game and missing the 1st half. A backup LB getting drunk and disorderly and released from the team. Wright and Calbert both getting penalties inside the 10 yard line on the same drive. Crappy punting. You get the idea...

Dude!...what sport do you think this is? Soccer?..hockey? If we scored we are only down 8 with 7+ minutes left with momentum swinging our way..not even factoring in the touchdown they robbed us from.bituli shouldn’t have got a targeting call because it wasn’t targeting.the wr stared bracing for the impact and clinched (which is a natural instinct) and resulted in the strick zone being off after bituli had already made his move. That is why I think “targeting” should be looked at both sides and not just one,favoring the ball carrier..with that logic I’m assuming you were in favor of the “roughing the passer” call he got when bituli just tried to stand up After making a tackle on the qb?..that whole game was bs! And it was winnable even after suffering “key losses” at “key positions” being down 8 points in football is nothing we all have seen far greater comebacks in sports like tennessee vs Indiana..that’s beating the odds.the odds were far greater in our favor at bama...go back and watch the whole game up until that point.

 

[UTSuave’]

Because JG is a 7-5 QB and you may be cool with that but the rest of us want better results. Whether you realize it or not JTD is an immediate upgrade to the QB room. He’s better than any QB on the roster not named Bailey. And he might be better than HB. Hope we get to find out.

 

[sjt18]

You guys really want a QB that had a mediocre freshman season and to top it off he is coming off an injuy.

Daniels' Fr year was MUCH better than JG's. JG beat his 14 TD's only as a RS JR and his interceptions rose to almost the same level as the coaches appeared to push him to take more chances. The best comparison is probably JG's 3rd year as a RS Soph since he was "the" starter all year. Both guys missed a game due to injury iirc.

Daniels:
yard- 2672
completion %- 59.5
ypa- 7.4
ypc- 12.4
yd/gm- 242.9
TD- 14
INT- 10
Att/gm- 33

JG as a 3rd year QB:
yards- 1907
completion %- 62.2
ypa- 7.8
ypc- 12.5
ypg- 158.9
TD- 12
INT- 3
Att/gm- 20.5

You could spend a lot of time debating the ways one guy was better than the other and vice versa. But outside of yds per game and INTs those are pretty comparable numbers. But.... one guy was a true Fr who his coach ran the offense through. The other was a 3rd year player who the coach tried to avoid risks with.

Daniels was better than JG as a RS Fr and it isn't close.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

I think we win 9 with or without JTD @Ron Swanson

Provided the season isn’t shortened, obv.

I think the loss of spring/summer sucks the life out of any HB starting freshman year hope for me.... but I can’t underestimate Chaneys impact. I think JG, Shrout, and Mauer all improve year two with him. I’m such a homer that I expect Shrout to be classically decent when it’s all said and done.

I think JTD improves the QB room for sure and might lead to us getting to Atlanta.... but I definitely think we’re a 9 win team this year.

 

[sjt18]

So you’ve been saying you don’t think JTD is all that good but you also say you’re worried that if he comes the other QB’s might leave? Which is it? He’s not that good or you’re afraid he might be really good and scare off some lesser talent?

Stop with that mindset. It’s Pruitts job to bring in the best of the best year after year. Just like Rucker and that guy in the video talked about, if he’s not trying to upgrade every spot, every year, he will lose his job to an upgrade.

The proper mindset is recruit the best possible players all the time, never worry about who might get their feelings hurt and transfer. That’s for losers and betas. Winning teams are full of alphas, 4 deep at every position from coaches down to kickers. It’s time our fans act accordingly.

The satisfaction with mediocrity in some corners of this fanbase has been a major problem IMO for years. I've called people out repeatedly over the years for setting expectations too low. What fans expect matters... though many seem not to believe it.

Glad Pruitt didn't consider the other OL's feelings when he took Mays... a guy who said some pretty offensive things on his way to sign with UGA.

Not a poke at you personally @TrippieRedd. Just an attitude that has been much too prevalent through this long walk through the desert.

 

[sjt18]

I think we win 9 with or without JTD @Ron Swanson

Provided the season isn’t shortened, obv.

I think the loss of spring/summer sucks the life out of any HB starting freshman year hope for me.... but I can’t underestimate Chaneys impact. I think JG, Shrout, and Mauer all improve year two with him. I’m such a homer that I expect Shrout to be classically decent when it’s all said and done.

I think JTD improves the QB room for sure and might lead to us getting to Atlanta.... but I definitely think we’re a 9 win team this year.

I don't think UT can win 9 with JG. I'm not sure UT can win 8 with JG.

That said, they can't win 9 with Shrout or Maurer either unless their management of the O and mistakes improve significantly. Both appear to offer more than JG purely as throwers. Both have shown the ability to anticipate receivers and properly lead them into catches. Much more so than JG even as a 4th year QB. But their mistakes and any shortcomings managing the O can be just as deadly as JG's flaws.


People place a lot of hope in HB but he is a Fr and has to catch up in many ways even if he is the best thrower... which is not a foregone conclusion.

 

[butchna]

The satisfaction with mediocrity in some corners of this fanbase has been a major problem IMO for years. I've called people out repeatedly over the years for setting expectations too low. What fans expect matters... though many seem not to believe it.

Glad Pruitt didn't consider the other OL's feelings when he took Mays... a guy who said some pretty offensive things on his way to sign with UGA.

Not a poke at you personally @TrippieRedd. Just an attitude that has been much too prevalent through this long walk through the desert.

There’s a big difference in playing time options for 5 starting OL and backups with plenty of snaps vs an ideal starting quarterback’s tho? That you admit?

 

[sjt18]

PS.... I have no idea if Daniels would help UT or not. He appears to have talent. He had a very good Fr year on a very, very bad team. But I am 100% for upgrading the roster if that's what Pruitt thinks.

 

[snowvols]

Daniels' Fr year was MUCH better than JG's. JG beat his 14 TD's only as a RS JR and his interceptions rose to almost the same level as the coaches appeared to push him to take more chances. The best comparison is probably JG's 3rd year as a RS Soph since he was "the" starter all year. Both guys missed a game due to injury iirc.

Daniels:
yard- 2672
completion %- 59.5
ypa- 7.4
ypc- 12.4
yd/gm- 242.9
TD- 14
INT- 10
Att/gm- 33

JG as a 3rd year QB:
yards- 1907
completion %- 62.2
ypa- 7.8
ypc- 12.5
ypg- 158.9
TD- 12
INT- 3
Att/gm- 20.5

You could spend a lot of time debating the ways one guy was better than the other and vice versa. But outside of yds per game and INTs those are pretty comparable numbers. But.... one guy was a true Fr who his coach ran the offense through. The other was a 3rd year player who the coach tried to avoid risks with.

Daniels was better than JG as a RS Fr and it isn't close.

And Daniels got better as his FR year went on. His best two games were the last two. He threw for 337 against UCLA and 349 against ND, which was a playoff team that year. He was 18 of 19 in the 1st half of the Notre Dame game and set a school record for completions with 37.

 

[TrippieRedd]

People are just afraid that Bailey will bounce. I get that. If JT comes in and Bailey chooses to transfer and then JT goes to the draft, that leaves us where at QB in 2021? Most like Shrout and Maurer are gone also so that would have us bringing in a freshman in Salter maybe, and who else?

I'm with you that I want JT badly, but I can understand the hesitancy with wondering what would happen with Bailey.

This.

Take JT, fine. If we win only 8 games, I’m going to @ every person in this thread and talk crap for a year. It will only get worse if we lose a QB or two in the process.

Kind of hard to be elite when/if all you’re QB’s transfer.