'17 MS RB Cam Akers (FSU commit 12/27)

[Catbone]

Firing a HC and his entire staff after an 8-4 season (albeit a very disappointing season), with wins against UF and UGA is not being a "realist"; it's a juvenile, knee-jerk reaction.

My goodness, people act like UT has been averaging 10 wins a year with multiple SEC Championships for the past decade. This year was a major disappointment, but it was light years better then what we've seen the past decade.

Now, if Butch goes 6-6 next year, then there should be a change.

Butch should be fired mid season if we are headed for 6-6.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Fair enough. I agree light years would be an overstatement

See Bruin..this is how you do it. When you make a stupid comment all you gotta say is..Yeah I overcooked that one a little.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

The UT brand is doing just fine, just ask Trey Smith. That were two of his main points in one interview after he committed. He loved what the UT brand could do for him and for his own brand. Is FSU a slightly bigger brand at the moment? One can definitely argue that, right or wrong. But I can also say that our brand is very strong and one of the top brands in the nation.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Firing a HC and his entire staff after an 8-4 season (albeit a very disappointing season), with wins against UF and UGA is not being a "realist"; it's a juvenile, knee-jerk reaction.

My goodness, people act like UT has been averaging 10 wins a year with multiple SEC Championships for the past decade. This year was a major disappointment, but it was light years better then what we've seen the past decade.

Now, if Butch goes 6-6 next year, then there should be a change.

It has been a lot better. Once again however the term "light years" just doesn't apply. Light years better would have been actually winning the east, having a sound and disciplined team at the beginning before the injury devastation, and not having the multitude of off field problems that could and should have been avoided...and most of all NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES BARRING THE BLACK PLAGUE WIPING OUT THE TEAM...LOSE TO FREAKIN VANDY....EVER.

 

[BruinVol]

See Bruin..this is how you do it. When you make a stupid comment all you gotta say is..Yeah I overcooked that one a little.

I didn't overcook anything unless you think 77-17 and 44-42 are programs that are close together. The gap between the two program's brand is massive. That's just the records for the two programs since 2010 and doesn't mention NFL drafts, bowl games, recruiting rankings, National titles......etc. Cam Akers knows of no such Tennessee team that was as good as the FSU team this year which was one of their worst. The gap is huge. Same can be said about the 2000s and the 90s as well. They only lost 13 games for an entire decade of the 90s. That's crazy to think of.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I didn't overcook anything unless you think 77-17 and 44-42 are programs that are close together. The gap between the two program's brand is massive. That's just the records for the two programs since 2010 and doesn't mention NFL drafts, bowl games, recruiting rankings, National titles......etc. Cam Akers knows of no such Tennessee team that was as good as the FSU team this year which was one of their worst. The gap is huge. Same can be said about the 2000s and the 90s as well. They only lost 13 games for an entire decade of the 90s. That's crazy to think of.

You are so thick headed...thanks for playing. I'll let one of the guys who like arguing with brick walls take over.

 

[jspvol76]

Butch should be fired mid season if we are headed for 6-6.

I sure hope they don't let him go if we lose a few early games.

 

[BruinVol]

You are so thick headed...thanks for playing. I'll let one of the guys who like arguing with brick walls take over.

Anyone that doesn't think FSU is way ahead(pick your wording) of the Tennessee program is much worse than thick headed. They are just plain biased beyond being able to discuss any kind of reality.

 

[MwB]

Anyone that doesn't think FSU is way ahead(pick your wording) of the Tennessee program is much worse than thick headed. They are just plain biased beyond being able to discuss any kind of reality.

It's strange you would say people are thick headed, didn't you argue about Akers not visiting for like 9 pages before you retracted your statement and apologized?

 

[Mike4Vols]

You are so thick headed...thanks for playing. I'll let one of the guys who like arguing with brick walls take over.

He's bating you (and everybody). I honestly think he's a troll planted here to stir up traffic. He has admitted to purposely trolling people in the past.

The only reason I see his posts are when other people argue with him. Ignore him and your life will be less stressful.

 

[NeverWe'llSever]

I didn't overcook anything unless you think 77-17 and 44-42 are programs that are close together. The gap between the two program's brand is massive. That's just the records for the two programs since 2010 and doesn't mention NFL drafts, bowl games, recruiting rankings, National titles......etc. Cam Akers knows of no such Tennessee team that was as good as the FSU team this year which was one of their worst. The gap is huge. Same can be said about the 2000s and the 90s as well. They only lost 13 games for an entire decade of the 90s. That's crazy to think of.

FSU has certainly accomplished more than us in the past 30 years but they weren't that much better than us in the 2000's. They had 1 title birth in 2000 and decayed from there after that loss, much like the 2001 Vols team after that SEC championship loss. 2010's is another story entirely. Their success compared to ours is a huge gap. Lots of double digit winning seasons and a national title. They are in a much weaker conference though, so conference championships and those winning records aren't as impressive to me, but that 2013 NC speaks for itself.

 

[BruinVol]

It's strange you would say people are thick headed, didn't you argue about Akers not visiting for like 9 pages before you retracted your statement and apologized?

Yes. I am not afraid to apologize when I am wrong. This isn't one of those times. FSU is WAY ahead of the Vols program. You can word it anyway you want but it's true.

 

[sanddune50]

Dear gracious man. Do I need to post evidence that FSUs program is WAAAAY ahead of ours now?

I mean come on it's obvious

Only to the video gamers that think 2010 has any relevance to today's programs. Not ot mention, your arguments are very linear and short sighted. Forget the level of competition the teams have played during the 90s up until 2008 when Tennessee was competitive. All we go by is records. No other outside factors just records. By your logic I guess Boise State was 'light years' ahead of solid power 5 teams as well.

 

[BruinVol]

FSU has certainly accomplished more than us in the past 30 years but they weren't that much better than us in the 2000's. They had 1 title birth in 2000 and decayed from there after that loss, much like the 2001 Vols team after that SEC championship loss. 2010's is another story entirely. Their success compared to ours is a huge gap. Lots of double digit winning seasons and a national title. They are in a much weaker conference though, so conference championships and those winning records aren't as impressive to me, but that 2013 NC speaks for itself.

Good post. The ACC is why I posted they almost will always assuredly win more games per year than is over a period of a decade. If Tennessee were to average 10 games a year and they average 11 I would said the two programs are about equal figuring in the handicapping nature of the SEC now but it hasn't been even close to that.

 

[sanddune50]

Yes. I am not afraid to apologize when I am wrong. This isn't one of those times. FSU is WAY ahead of the Vols program. You can word it anyway you want but it's true.

I couldn't careless about an apology. I just find it sad when someone seems so sure of themselves and not see how basic their thinking is at the same time. Without the injuries this team would fare well with FSU and their leaky defense.

 

[sjt18]

Firing a HC and his entire staff after an 8-4 season (albeit a very disappointing season), with wins against UF and UGA is not being a "realist"; it's a juvenile, knee-jerk reaction.

Nope. It is just a matter of looking at his "whole body of work".

We were told in year one that it was OK that the team played poorly, got blown out, and lost to a Vandy team with a bowl on the line because it was his first year and not his players.

In year two, the excuses were youth and depth with everyone pointing to years 3 and 4. UT lost at least one winnable game against a flat out horrible UF team.

Year 3, the meltdown losses primarily due to in game strategy have been well discussed. In a season where the Vols were probably a good gameday HC away from playing in the SEC CG.... they settled for 8-4. ALL Jones supporters pointed to year 4 as the break out year.

Year 4 was actually a worse performance than year 3. Yes there were wins over UF and UGA but the team didn't really play to potential at any point during the year. The USCe and Vandy losses are probably the two worst... and most meaningful of Jones' tenure.

Excuses? Plenty.

Injuries was a big excuse. But this isn't the first year that UT has had high injuries under Jones and he did NOTHING to change things in S&C. There was internal turmoil within a team that pretty obviously had an entitled view.

Jones has underperformed the talent on UT's roster in each of his 4 years. Year 4 was the WORST of all.

No realistic person denies he's done some good things or even thinks UT will fire him this year. But his job ultimately is to do all of those good things AND coach at a championship level. He hasn't. UT won't fire him. They probably wouldn't have even if Hart weren't leaving. But he's probably operating on borrowed time now.

My goodness, people act like UT has been averaging 10 wins a year with multiple SEC Championships for the past decade. This year was a major disappointment, but it was light years better then what we've seen the past decade.

So you lower the bar for Jones because UT has been bad? Jones' job isn't to be better than Dooley. His job is to win championships.

Now, if Butch goes 6-6 next year, then there should be a change.

If Jones wins anything less than 9 next year then there should be a change.... 8 without a doubt. Why? Because Jones has proven that he cannot beat teams with a little more talent on any sort of regular basis but HAS proven that he'll lose at least one game each year that he shouldn't lose. It is time for HIM to turn that around and beat a couple of teams he shouldn't WITHOUT losing to ones he should beat.

If he doesn't, his "body of work" will be more than sufficient to prove he is NOT a championship caliber coach.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

i didn't overcook anything unless you think 77-17 and 44-42 are programs that are close together. The gap between the two program's brand is massive. That's just the records for the two programs since 2010 and doesn't mention nfl drafts, bowl games, recruiting rankings, national titles......etc. Cam akers knows of no such tennessee team that was as good as the fsu team this year which was one of their worst. The gap is huge. Same can be said about the 2000s and the 90s as well. They only lost 13 games for an entire decade of the 90s. That's crazy to think of.

 

[BruinVol]

Only to the video gamers that think 2010 has any relevance to today's programs. Not ot mention, your arguments are very linear and short sighted. Forget the level of competition the teams have played during the 90s up until 2008 when Tennessee was competitive. All we go by is records. No other outside factors just records. By your logic I guess Boise State was 'light years' ahead of solid power 5 teams as well.

Let's not forget that FSU plays the team that has dusted our Ass in 11 out of the last 12 years every single year.

Obviously the ACC and Boises schedule isn't close to the same.

 

[BruinVol]

Without the injuries this team would fare well with FSU and their leaky defense.

Agreed. It was a year we could have closed the gAp. We didn't.

 

[NeverWe'llSever]

Only to the video gamers that think 2010 has any relevance to today's programs. Not ot mention, your arguments are very linear and short sighted. Forget the level of competition the teams have played during the 90s up until 2008 when Tennessee was competitive. All we go by is records. No other outside factors just records. By your logic I guess Boise State was 'light years' ahead of solid power 5 teams as well.

If we're going by records, how about this. In the last five seasons, FSU has gone 58-9 and UT has gone 34-28.

 

[BruinVol]

Florida has beaten FSU ONCE this decade.

Tennessee has beaten Florida ONCE this decade.

Let that sink in for those of you with your heads buried in the sand saying thei program isn't WAY ahead of ours.

 

[sanddune50]

Agreed. It was a year we could have closed the gAp. We didn't.

9-3 and 8-4 is about as closed of a gap as you can have. Saying we didn't is not an accurate take. And I'm not suggesting it is anything we have done as much as FSU has some holes that need to be plugged.

 

[sanddune50]

If we're going by records, how about this. In the last five seasons, FSU has gone 58-9 and UT has gone 34-28.

Pointless stat. So your suggesting 2010, 2011 or even 2012 has any bearing on the current state of the programs?

 

[sanddune50]

Florida has beaten FSU ONCE this decade.

Tennessee has beaten Florida ONCE this decade.

Let that sink in for those of you with your heads buried in the sand saying thei program isn't WAY ahead of ours.

Which was this year. So apparently we closed the gap unless you think one more win is 'light years' ahead of another program.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Anyone that doesn't think FSU is way ahead(pick your wording) of the Tennessee program is much worse than thick headed. They are just plain biased beyond being able to discuss any kind of reality.

Why do some of you guys keep acting like UT was great 4 years ago and Coach Butch ran the program into the ground?

Jimbo Fisher has been at FSU for 10 years. He took over from a Hall of Fame coach and had a good roster when he did. He's recruited better than UT over the past 4 years, yet he had only a decent team in an OK ACC this year.

They had a very similar record to UT this year and it could be argued for both sides that their team was better. Stating that one is "Light Years" ahead of the other, at this point in time, is absurd and illustrates a complete bias to certain facts.