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#277
#277
GreveHaller said:
those are your words. How do you know Gruden hasnt "begged" for jobs too? How do you know that Fulmer didnt say no to any job?

Answer: you dont

In the end, both dont have HC jobs and havent in quite some time.
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Fulmer interviewed at both Louisville and Kansas. Neither wanted him. There's an article about his interview at Kansas. No one offered Fulmer.

Mentioning Fulmer as though he is the equal coach to Gruden is pretty delusional. Stupid and ignorant as well
 
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#278
#278
114VOL said:
Mentioning Fulmer as though he is the equal coach to Gruden is pretty delusional. Stupid and ignorant as well
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Agreed. While Gruden has a nice resume' he does not compare with a first ballot HOF member who won a National Championship at his alma mater.
 
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#280
114VOL said:
Fulmer interviewed at both Louisville and Kansas. Neither wanted him. There's an article about his interview at Kansas. No one offered Fulmer.

Mentioning Fulmer as though he is the equal coach to Gruden is pretty delusional. Stupid and ignorant as well
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Isn't it possible that after the interview, Fulmer goes "I don't think I'd enjoy working for this AD, I'm taking my name out of the hat"? Isn't it possible Fulmer pulled out before even having the opportunity to be offered?
 
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#281
whobethis16 said:
Isn't it possible that after the interview, Fulmer goes "I don't think I'd enjoy working for this AD, I'm taking my name out of the hat"? Isn't it possible Fulmer pulled out before even having the opportunity to be offered?
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Apparently when all these "negotiations" went on, the walls were covered by flies; and electronic eavesdropping suppliers could scarcely keep up with demand. Like you, I'm amazed at the experts here; the wealth of what should be unobtainable information makes you believe the Russians are complete laggards at snagging information out of the air.
 
#282
#282
114VOL said:
The Vols were NEVER national contenders after the 2001 season. That's why. The Vols were getting beat on a regular basis by their biggest rivals after 2001. That's why.
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They got beat half the time, minus Florida. Fulmer was 3-4 against both Alabama and Georgia from 2002-08. So it was pretty much a rivalry.
 
#283
#283
whobethis16 said:
Not really. NFL coaches deal with adults doing a job and are more of managers. They don't recruit, they don't have to motivate, they don't have to juggle NCAA, aren't working 70+ hours a week, aren't having to get back from a road trip and immediately go to a high schooler's house, aren't having to make sure players go to class and all that. It's a huge difference, and not an easier one.
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If you honestly believe this, you don't know a damn thing about the NFL.
 
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#284
whobethis16 said:
Not really. NFL coaches deal with adults doing a job and are more of managers. They don't recruit, they don't have to motivate, they don't have to juggle NCAA, aren't working 70+ hours a week, aren't having to get back from a road trip and immediately go to a high schooler's house, aren't having to make sure players go to class and all that. It's a huge difference, and not an easier one.
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Bobby Petrino
NFL: 3-10 (.231)
College: 114-47 (.708)

Lane Kiffin
NFL: 5-15 (.250)
College: 41-24 (.631)

Mike Riley
NFL: 14-34 (.292)
College: 112-96 (.538)

Steve Spurrier
NFL: 12-20 (.375)
College: 228-89-2 (.718)

Chan Gailey
NFL: 34-46 (.425)
College: 68-43 (.613)

Chip Kelly
NFL: 28-35 (.452)
College: 46-7 (.868)

Bill Callahan
NFL: 15-17 (.469)
College: 27-22 (.551)

Nick Saban
NFL: 15-17 (.469)
College: 214-61-1 (.777)

Jim Mora
NFL: 31-33 (.484)
College: 45-29 (.608)

Dave Wannstedt
NFL: 82-87 (.485)
College: 42-31 (.575)

Pete Carroll
NFL: 75-43-1 (.634)
College: 97-19 (.836)

Jim Harbaugh
NFL: 44-19-1 (.695)
College: 85-35 (.708)
 
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#285
#285
NashVol11 said:
Bobby Petrino
NFL: 3-10 (.231)
College: 114-47 (.708)

Lane Kiffin
NFL: 5-15 (.250)
College: 41-24 (.631)

Mike Riley
NFL: 14-34 (.292)
College: 112-96 (.538)

Steve Spurrier
NFL: 12-20 (.375)
College: 228-89-2 (.718)

Chan Gailey
NFL: 34-46 (.425)
College: 68-43 (.613)

Chip Kelly
NFL: 28-35 (.452)
College: 46-7 (.868)

Bill Callahan
NFL: 15-17 (.469)
College: 27-22 (.551)

Nick Saban
NFL: 15-17 (.469)
College: 214-61-1 (.777)

Jim Mora
NFL: 31-33 (.484)
College: 45-29 (.608)

Dave Wannstedt
NFL: 82-87 (.485)
College: 42-31 (.575)

Pete Carroll
NFL: 75-43-1 (.634)
College: 97-19 (.836)

Jim Harbaugh
NFL: 44-19-1 (.695)
College: 85-35 (.708)
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More parity in the NFL and no OOC patsies to pad the record? There are always multiple ways to interpret that kind of data.
 
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#287
#287
NashVol11 said:
Kinda like 152-52, eh?
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If your world consists of black and white, on and off, win and lose, I'd say so. Seems like so many people were so occupied with that thought that we had to lose the possibility of even a tie. Doesn't leave much room for analysis, but plenty of openings for hypocrisy.
 
#289
#289
butchna said:
Dale Carter? Heath Shuler? Alvin Harper? Carl Pickens? Elite OL’s. You’re wrong. RECRUITING had not tailed off and Reggie Cobb’s drug problem was dealt with severely. Majors messed up by getting paranoid and rushing back only to screw up the season. But DISCIPLINE under him was never an issue.
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yeah but he was a drunk and you know it.
 
#290
#290
vols1221 said:
Game passed him by? Run the ball, and play great defense. I think this is still what everyone wants to do.

You're out of your mind if you think nobody called him! He is a Tennessee boy. Spent his entire life here. His heart wouldn't let him go anywhere else!
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Who called? Will be interesting to know cause it was kept secret back then. I don't think you ever saw a Fulmer coached game!!!!
 
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#293
#293
NashVol11 said:
Bobby Petrino
NFL: 3-10 (.231)
College: 114-47 (.708)

Lane Kiffin
NFL: 5-15 (.250)
College: 41-24 (.631)

Mike Riley
NFL: 14-34 (.292)
College: 112-96 (.538)

Steve Spurrier
NFL: 12-20 (.375)
College: 228-89-2 (.718)

Chan Gailey
NFL: 34-46 (.425)
College: 68-43 (.613)

Chip Kelly
NFL: 28-35 (.452)
College: 46-7 (.868)

Bill Callahan
NFL: 15-17 (.469)
College: 27-22 (.551)

Nick Saban
NFL: 15-17 (.469)
College: 214-61-1 (.777)

Jim Mora
NFL: 31-33 (.484)
College: 45-29 (.608)

Dave Wannstedt
NFL: 82-87 (.485)
College: 42-31 (.575)

Pete Carroll
NFL: 75-43-1 (.634)
College: 97-19 (.836)

Jim Harbaugh
NFL: 44-19-1 (.695)
College: 85-35 (.708)
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If you think it's easier to deal with 85 18-21 year olds, having to juggle recruiting, ensuring they go to class, making sure they don't get in trouble with the law, etc, then I can't help you. Yes, every team is full of professionals, so the games themselves are tougher, but that's all NFL coaches have to deal with. It's the other stuff, and you can't seem to get that through your thick skull.
 
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#294
whobethis16 said:
If you think it's easier to deal with 85 18-21 year olds, having to juggle recruiting, ensuring they go to class, making sure they don't get in trouble with the law, etc, then I can't help you. Yes, every team is full of professionals, so the games themselves are tougher, but that's all NFL coaches have to deal with. It's the other stuff, and you can't seem to get that through your thick skull.
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In the NFL, it's harder to win games, harder to keep your job, a much higher level from an X's and O's standpoint, and at least as much work if not more in terms of hours. Yes, the players are professionals, which means they have contractual demands, holdouts, complaints about not getting the ball enough, etc.

And your response is...college kids are immature and you have to babysit them, and that by itself overrules everything else and makes college "harder," because you say so.

Okay. You continue to prove that you don't know a thing about the NFL.
 
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#295
whobethis16 said:
Not really. NFL coaches deal with adults doing a job and are more of managers. They don't recruit, they don't have to motivate, they don't have to juggle NCAA, aren't working 70+ hours a week, aren't having to get back from a road trip and immediately go to a high schooler's house, aren't having to make sure players go to class and all that. It's a huge difference, and not an easier one.
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NFL head coaches work at least as many hours as college head coaches do.

You literally have no idea as to what you're talking about. YOu're so uninformed, you sound like a 12 year old trying to make this stupid argument
 
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#296
#296
Backwards K said:
Agreed. While Gruden has a nice resume' he does not compare with a first ballot HOF member who won a National Championship at his alma mater.
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You're as delusional as our former coach was about himself.

There's a reason no one came sniffing when he was fired


BTW, he attained the HOF status while coach here.
 
#298
#298
whobethis16 said:
If you think it's easier to deal with 85 18-21 year olds, having to juggle recruiting, ensuring they go to class, making sure they don't get in trouble with the law, etc, then I can't help you. Yes, every team is full of professionals, so the games themselves are tougher, but that's all NFL coaches have to deal with. It's the other stuff, and you can't seem to get that through your thick skull.
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Once again, you have no idea as to what you're talking about. Have you ever worked in a college AD or professional NFL team? If not, then you should probably STFU with these idiotic posts because you're extremely uninformed
 
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#300
NashVol11 said:
In the NFL, it's harder to win games, harder to keep your job, a much higher level from an X's and O's standpoint, and at least as much work if not more in terms of hours. Yes, the players are professionals, which means they have contractual demands, holdouts, complaints about not getting the ball enough, etc.

And your response is...college kids are immature and you have to babysit them, and that by itself overrules everything else and makes college "harder," because you say so.

Okay. You continue to prove that you don't know a thing about the NFL.
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Coaching in NFL and college is the same, only WAY different - latimes

Beg to differ.

And do you not think these prima donna 5* players don't whine and complain about not getting the ball?
 
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