'15 NM QB Zach Gentry

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INDEFENSE said:
I don't give a crap about the stars.IMO I believe Gentry is as good as any other QB we're looking at.I'm not a fan of a QB running unless it's to scramble or a play breaks down so the DT QB's that run alot and throw for 2000 or less have zero interest to me.I think if that's going to be your style then all the QB's on your roster have to be the same style, otherwise you have to change your offense if he gets hurt.I know it's not in vogue nowadays but for my money a QB makes his bones throwing and a RB makes his running.If the QB runs better than the RB why have the RB on the field?
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Why would you change the offense? Why not just bring in multiple DT guys? And I agree with you on the last part. If your an is a great runner, I like to go 5 wide. Spread the defense out, force them to cover 5 guys and still stop your an from running. It limits he number of people in the box and makes life so much easier for the offensive line.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
And Bama two in a row before that letting the RBs run it and AJ throw it. So.......
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If you really want to talk history far more option, spread, and single wing teams have won the NC utilizing running qbs, as opposed to offenses with drop back passers.
 
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Those saying we need a real dual threat type QB have not been paying attention to CBJ's offense and his prior coaching stops. We don't "need" a guy who rushed for 1000-1500 yards a season in HS. As I have mentioned before Zach Collaros ran for an average of about 20-25 yards a game during his career at cinci. When you have RBs like Lane/Hurd and WRs like Malone/Pearson/North/Croom having the QB keep it much and risk injury to me is just silly. 5 yards here, 7 yards there when a play breaks down and IMO that is all our QB needs to do. Otherwise get the ball to the playmakers and let them work.
 
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lefevour passed for 13,000 and rushed for 3,000. If we had one who could come close to that ratio it would be that critical threat needed on 3rd and 6.
 
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StoVol said:
lefevour passed for 13,000 and rushed for 3,000. If we had one who could come close to that ratio it would be that critical threat needed on 3rd and 6.
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Yeah, good thing those type of guys are all over the place. Pretty sure he is the ONLY one ever to have 13000 passing and 3000 rushing in NCAA history. Also would he have done it in the SEC? Probably not. If your looking for your QB to throw for 300 a game and run for another 100 a game you better make sure you have 3-4 guys who can do it. You'll very likely need them because of injury.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Yeah, good thing those type of guys are all over the place. Pretty sure he is the ONLY one ever to have 13000 passing and 3000 rushing in NCAA history. Also would he have done it in the SEC? Probably not. If your looking for your QB to throw for 300 a game and run for another 100 a game you better make sure you have 3-4 guys who can do it. You'll very likely need them because of injury.
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Yeah, good thing I stated exactly what you're implying. " close to that ratio" ... Look that up. Look up the other qb's numbers. IMO it is a blend of athletic talent and the system you place them in. You credit only dans talent whilst discarding coaching to fit your argument. 300 passing and 100 rushing is a nonsensical example. It would equate to 30 yards rushing for every 130 passing. If one is judicious and smart in their running, a well coached qb can bolt up the middle for 6 and slide down, or sprint to the sidelines for a first down and be no more prone to injury than a statue waiting to be blasted on a blitz from his backside.

Dan LeFevour's avg in 53 career games

243 passing
55 rushing
12.5 rushes per game.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Yeah, good thing those type of guys are all over the place. Pretty sure he is the ONLY one ever to have 13000 passing and 3000 rushing in NCAA history. Also would he have done it in the SEC? Probably not. If your looking for your QB to throw for 300 a game and run for another 100 a game you better make sure you have 3-4 guys who can do it. You'll very likely need them because of injury.
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Interesting. How many yards did Auburns qb run for? He did play in the SEC right? Why didn't they end up using their 4th team qb?
 
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I'd rather us get a guy who's a better passer but has an added dimension of running when he has to on option reads. No more than 5-7 times a game.

If we have a good stable of running backs and good OL we don't need a QB to run it 20 times a game. Especially when we have great WRs too
 
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Our qb doesn't have to be mike Vick, just keep the defense honest. Our offense would've looked 5x's better if Worley would keep the read every now and then to keep the defense guessing. Instead they just teed off on our running backs every time.
 
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Bruce Wayne said:
Our qb doesn't have to be mike Vick, just keep the defense honest. Our offense would've looked 5x's better if Worley would keep the read every now and then to keep the defense guessing. Instead they just teed off on our running backs every time.
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We ran the ball very well, even with Worley at Qb.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Those saying we need a real dual threat type QB have not been paying attention to CBJ's offense and his prior coaching stops. We don't "need" a guy who rushed for 1000-1500 yards a season in HS. As I have mentioned before Zach Collaros ran for an average of about 20-25 yards a game during his career at cinci. When you have RBs like Lane/Hurd and WRs like Malone/Pearson/North/Croom having the QB keep it much and risk injury to me is just silly. 5 yards here, 7 yards there when a play breaks down and IMO that is all our QB needs to do. Otherwise get the ball to the playmakers and let them work.
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Agree. Also, throw in TEs like Helm and Wolff and add Scott to the RBs list.... weapons.
 
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I never said you couldn't win with a running QB.I wonder though if Auburn lost their QB to a knee in week 3 if they'd have gone to a bowl? My guess is no and that's because it's rare to get a QB that is that gifted running and a decent QB.Everyone has their preferences or wants to copy what the last one did, I'm just not a fan of it.More often than not the running will lead to an injury and derail the season.QB's throw,RB's run.There will always be exceptions to every rule but that's the way I want my teams to build.Should we become a team like Auburn was last year I believe I'd lose interest.Call me oldschool but I cannot watch that crap.For years I never watched college football because of the option and the triple option.I also believe it's a disservice to the QB's as far as developing them for the next level.(Can't wait for the bandwagon jumpers to throw out Kapernick and Wilson. I'd love to know where those two would be without the top defenses in the league.)
 
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INDEFENSE said:
I never said you couldn't win with a running QB.I wonder though if Auburn lost their QB to a knee in week 3 if they'd have gone to a bowl? My guess is no and that's because it's rare to get a QB that is that gifted running and a decent QB.Everyone has their preferences or wants to copy what the last one did, I'm just not a fan of it.More often than not the running will lead to an injury and derail the season.QB's throw,RB's run.There will always be exceptions to every rule but that's the way I want my teams to build.Should we become a team like Auburn was last year I believe I'd lose interest.Call me oldschool but I cannot watch that crap.For years I never watched college football because of the option and the triple option.I also believe it's a disservice to the QB's as far as developing them for the next level.(Can't wait for the bandwagon jumpers to throw out Kapernick and Wilson. I'd love to know where those two would be without the top defenses in the league.)
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Kapernick, probably not doing much. I like Russell Wilson though. He's a good student and has an it factor.
 
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INDEFENSE said:
I never said you couldn't win with a running QB.I wonder though if Auburn lost their QB to a knee in week 3 if they'd have gone to a bowl? My guess is no and that's because it's rare to get a QB that is that gifted running and a decent QB.Everyone has their preferences or wants to copy what the last one did, I'm just not a fan of it.More often than not the running will lead to an injury and derail the season.QB's throw,RB's run.There will always be exceptions to every rule but that's the way I want my teams to build.Should we become a team like Auburn was last year I believe I'd lose interest.Call me oldschool but I cannot watch that crap.For years I never watched college football because of the option and the triple option.I also believe it's a disservice to the QB's as far as developing them for the next level.(Can't wait for the bandwagon jumpers to throw out Kapernick and Wilson. I'd love to know where those two would be without the top defenses in the league.)
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Once again, a lot more teams have won a NC using running qbs than have won without one.
 
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Vol8188 said:
We ran the ball very well, even with Worley at Qb.
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I think that had more to do with the OL than anything else. I know they got a lot of flack on here for different reasons (some of it well-deserved), but we did have a fine season running the ball.
 
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INDEFENSE said:
I never said you couldn't win with a running QB.I wonder though if Auburn lost their QB to a knee in week 3 if they'd have gone to a bowl? My guess is no and that's because it's rare to get a QB that is that gifted running and a decent QB.Everyone has their preferences or wants to copy what the last one did, I'm just not a fan of it.More often than not the running will lead to an injury and derail the season.QB's throw,RB's run.There will always be exceptions to every rule but that's the way I want my teams to build.Should we become a team like Auburn was last year I believe I'd lose interest.Call me oldschool but I cannot watch that crap.For years I never watched college football because of the option and the triple option.I also believe it's a disservice to the QB's as far as developing them for the next level.(Can't wait for the bandwagon jumpers to throw out Kapernick and Wilson. I'd love to know where those two would be without the top defenses in the league.)
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Wait...

You want us to call you "old school", but you can't watch the triple option?
 
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OK, I'll give you that Seren.Make me between old school and the new trends.Just never gonna be a fan of a running QB unless it's 1-2 times a game or the play brakes down.Absolutely hate all the option fakes we do.We have the weapons on paper it's time to use them.
 
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INDEFENSE said:
OK, I'll give you that Seren.Make me between old school and the new trends.Just never gonna be a fan of a running QB unless it's 1-2 times a game or the play brakes down.Absolutely hate all the option fakes we do.We have the weapons on paper it's time to use them.
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What weapons did we have in 2013?
 
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My question is what is the ratio of dropped passes during the season? It seemed relatively high. Can't put all the blame on a QB if the targets don't catch.
 
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SergeantVol said:
My question is what is the ratio of dropped passes during the season? It seemed relatively high. Can't put all the blame on a QB if the targets don't catch.
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If we just promote Josh Smith to Equipment Manager/Waterboy, we'll rid ourselves of the drops this year. Book it! :)
 
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TriCitiesVol said:
Watch out for AU with Torrance.

With that being said, I hope Gentry gets invited to The Opening and Elite 11. I want to see how he measures up to Town and Rosen.
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I still get a kick out of seeing someone Gentry's size running away from kids half his size. Don't think Town or Rosen sport that size/speed combination.
 
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BigOrangeFanatic said:
I'd rather us get a guy who's a better passer but has an added dimension of running when he has to on option reads. No more than 5-7 times a game.

If we have a good stable of running backs and good OL we don't need a QB to run it 20 times a game. Especially when we have great WRs too
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That may be true, but if the keeper is there, I'd like to see a QB who doesn't hesitate to to take what the defense gives him.

If the DE or blitzing LB is crashing down on the RB, you got to let the QB make him pay for it.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Expecting a true freshman QB to start for UT in '15 is incredibly unrealistic. No matter which QB UT signs in '15 they're almost certainly going to redshirt unless we have multiple injuries at the position.

How many TRUE freshman QB's have been successful lately in the SEC? Don't be so quick to write off Dobbs and Ferguson.

I can see it now with some of our fans, Gentry (or whichever QB we land) signs with UT in '15, redshirts, and because he didn't "beat out" Dobbs or Ferguson he's no good and will be recruited over in '16. Sigh.
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Boy, you nailed that one :):) I find it hard to believe everyone thinks we're gonna win 8 to 10 games with the 2014 class. I don't care how good they are, they're still freshmen. Some will be homesick and others will discover poon and lose their ability to think clearly :):)
 
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StoVol said:
Yeah, good thing I stated exactly what you're implying. " close to that ratio" ... Look that up. Look up the other qb's numbers. IMO it is a blend of athletic talent and the system you place them in. You credit only dans talent whilst discarding coaching to fit your argument. 300 passing and 100 rushing is a nonsensical example. It would equate to 30 yards rushing for every 130 passing. If one is judicious and smart in their running, a well coached qb can bolt up the middle for 6 and slide down, or sprint to the sidelines for a first down and be no more prone to injury than a statue waiting to be blasted on a blitz from his backside.

Dan LeFevour's avg in 53 career games

243 passing
55 rushing
12.5 rushes per game.
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I would take those averages Every. Damn. Day.
 
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