'15 NC DT Shy Tuttle (UT commit 9/26/14)

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KnoxVillain said:
Lack of experience. It takes time to adjust to the college game regardless of how talented a player may be.
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Once again, by far that is mostly correct. However, every now and then a guy comes out of high school who is ready right away and KM definitely appears to be that exception. Will he be even better after some experience? Sure, but he's ready now.
 
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Wickman said:
Yeah, like the many 4/5 stars who were invaluable to us:

Chris Donald
Ben Martin

Pat Martin
Paul Harris

LaRon Harris
Ruben Mayes
Brent Vinson
Brent Schafer
Jerod Askew
Deion Bonner
Darius Myles
Davante Borque
Omari Phillips
DeAnthony Arnett
Izauea Lanier
Daniel Brooks


All extremely valuable pieces. And that's not even half of who I could have named
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Not right to include Drae Bowles in this group. He is still on the team. He is not done yet.

Jonathan Mapu was solid and playing at SEC level his first two years. Something changed after his 2 missionary years. Maybe found something more important. Also should not be on that list.

Left off the hood pothead that was a kiffin 5* safety that dooley kicked off the team...janzen jackson. Nu'keese was a 4* too I think? Why leave the kiffin recruits off your list? Oh yeah, Bryce Brown and the #1 apb from that year? Heck majority of his class screwed UT.
 
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Wickman said:
Yeah, like the many 4/5 stars who were invaluable to us:

Chris Donald
Ben Martin
Jonathan Mapu
Pat Martin
Paul Harris
Drae Bowles
LaRon Harris
Ruben Mayes
Brent Vinson
Brent Schafer
Jerod Askew
Deion Bonner
Darius Myles
Davante Borque
Omari Phillips
DeAnthony Arnett
Izauea Lanier
Daniel Brooks


All extremely valuable pieces. And that's not even half of who I could have named
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I personally would take Ben Martin off that list. Player who fought through an injury plagued career and was still a multi-year starter, unlike those other guys. True VFL IMO
 
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It was just an example. I know there were eextraordinary circumstances to some players. I knew everyone was going to critique it, but those players never really had a big impact in the SEC.
 
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B-sideVol18 said:
I personally would take Ben Martin off that list. Player who fought through an injury plagued career and was still a multi-year starter, unlike those other guys. True VFL IMO
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No argument with that here. I included him to make a point that stars don't matter, and a number of different factors can play as to why they don't matter. No slight towards Ben
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
Not right to include Drae Bowles in this group. He is still on the team. He is not done yet.

Jonathan Mapu was solid and playing at SEC level his first two years. Something changed after his 2 missionary years. Maybe found something more important. Also should not be on that list.

Left off the hood pothead that was a kiffin 5* safety that dooley kicked off the team...janzen jackson. Nu'keese was a 4* too I think? Why leave the kiffin recruits off your list? Oh yeah, Bryce Brown and the #1 apb from that year? Heck majority of his class screwed UT.
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Just threw out names. No particular reason one player made it or didn't make it on the list lol. We all know about those Kiffin recruits. And Myles was a Kiffin recruit
 
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Wickman said:
No argument with that here. I included him to make a point that stars don't matter, and a number of different factors can play as to why they don't matter. No slight towards Ben
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Yeah, I know you didn't. I was just reinforcing that he was still a multi-year starter even through a bunch of injuries. My apologies if it sounded like a self-righteous jab. But your point does stand and it's ridiculous to put all your evaluation of a player into his stars. Nationdom is just trolling, still.
 
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Wickman said:
Yeah, like the many 4/5 stars who were invaluable to us:

Chris Donald
Ben Martin
Jonathan Mapu
Pat Martin
Paul Harris
Drae Bowles
LaRon Harris
Ruben Mayes
Brent Vinson
Brent Schafer
Jerod Askew
Deion Bonner
Darius Myles
Davante Borque
Omari Phillips
DeAnthony Arnett
Izauea Lanier
Daniel Brooks


All extremely valuable pieces. And that's not even half of who I could have named
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A few these guys don't really belong...Schaeffer played pretty well in 2004. Mapu was a good player..but you could have mentioned Raymond Henderson and didn't and near the end of Fulmer's tenure there were a lot of guys like Adam Myers-White that weren't bad players and did contribute some but just weren't what we thought we were getting when they committed.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
A few these guys don't really belong...Schaeffer played pretty well in 2004. Mapu was a good player..but you could have mentioned Raymond Henderson and didn't and near the end of Fulmer's tenure there were a lot of guys like Adam Myers-White that weren't bad players and did contribute some but just weren't what we thought we were getting when they committed.
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Your last sentence was the point of the list lol
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
A few these guys encompass really belong...Schaeffer played pretty well in 2004. Mapu was a good player..but you could have mentioned Raymond Henderson and didn't and near the end of Fulmer's tenure there were a lot of guys like Adam Myers-White that weren't bad players and did contribute some but just weren't what we thought we were getting when they committed.
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Wickman said:
Your last sentence was the point of the list lol
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It is one hell of a long sentence, and it does encompass a great deal.
 
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Stars definitely matter. I cant believe people are even arguing that point when you see who have won the previous national championships and then look at how they've recruited.

Everyone has a lot of "busts" it's just magnified at a school like TN when they don't land enough top end talent. In the 90's TN had a lot of busts, but they recruited so well consistently that the 10-20 guys who were highly rated who didn't work out didn't make much of a difference.
Those lists of TN "busts" don't mean anything as far as the recruiting rankings argument goes. If they were pulling Top 5-10 classes every year like they used to, those guys not working out wouldn't even be remembered by anyone. Problem is the other option lately has been a bunch of middle of the road "diamond in the rough" types to fill the void thus all the losing season. I could name just as many 4 and 5-star busts from 1994-1999 as this list. Difference is back then for every Brian Darden you had a Jamal Lewis or Travis Henry to step in for him.
 
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