'15 JuCo DT David "DJ" Jones

Only if he redshirted at JUCO. If he played last year and will play this coming season, then 3 to play 2, I think.
Yup. He was high school class of 2013. Played last year as a true freshman, just like our high school class of 2013 players like Cam Sutton and Marquez North. Will also be a true sophomore this year, just like those guys.
 
He may harp on and on and on about the numbers, but there's a reason. He doesn't live in googleyeyed imaginationland like all the posters that he is constantly tempering expectations for. It's just as annoying to me all the people that ignore reality with the numbers because at the end of the day, facts are facts. I think he's only trying to keep everyone grounded in reality, and that takes an immense amount of time and effort around these parts. Basically, he wouldn't post it a million times if people just get it the first time. :hi:

I wonder who the person was that "liked" this lol
 
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It seems like you follow me only to contradict everything I say....but you're wrong on this IMO. Fluid, I agree with. The facts change as the situation changes. That is NOT speculation. 1 more on the roster leaves, one more scholarship for this year. How is that speculation? Just because facts change with the environment does not mean he's just guessing lol dumb post is dumb. And I'm done with this conversation because I'm not going to continue it in a player thread. If you wish to wax intellectual concerning these matters, I'll see you in the numbers thread. :peace2:

Trust me...we got it already.
 
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He may harp on and on and on about the numbers, but there's a reason. He doesn't live in googleyeyed imaginationland like all the posters that he is constantly tempering expectations for. It's just as annoying to me all the people that ignore reality with the numbers because at the end of the day, facts are facts. I think he's only trying to keep everyone grounded in reality, and that takes an immense amount of time and effort around these parts. Basically, he wouldn't post it a million times if people just get it the first time. :hi:

The way I see it, it accomplishes a big fat zero. Butch said 18-22. I am going to go out on a limb and say that it will be somewhere between 18-22. Now we could lose someone we didn't expect to and it could go up. Or, someone that we expect to pack it in could knuckle down, put in the work and hang in. Or, we could all post a hundred times a day "the number is 16. Oh wait, so and so left, the number is 17." Or, when it changes, someone could note the increase by one and not bring it up again. Just a thought.
 
You know DJ as a spot and has a period time in which to visit and confirm before Butch moves on. I agree - Butch has said 18-22. He knows better than anybody. Which is why I have always said/used 20 as my benchmark. IF he has 20 to give, they will be an outstanding group and there will be a number that would like to be Vols that will not be because of the numbers.
 
The way I see it, it accomplishes a big fat zero. Butch said 18-22. I am going to go out on a limb and say that it will be somewhere between 18-22. Now we could lose someone we didn't expect to and it could go up. Or, someone that we expect to pack it in could knuckle down, put in the work and hang in. Or, we could all post a hundred times a day "the number is 16. Oh wait, so and so left, the number is 17." Or, when it changes, someone could note the increase by one and not bring it up again. Just a thought.

Honestly, what do any of us "accomplish" on here? lol We're all here because we love the vols and we should support our team and fellow fans. JMO of course.
 
The way I see it, it accomplishes a big fat zero. Butch said 18-22. I am going to go out on a limb and say that it will be somewhere between 18-22. Now we could lose someone we didn't expect to and it could go up. Or, someone that we expect to pack it in could knuckle down, put in the work and hang in. Or, we could all post a hundred times a day "the number is 16. Oh wait, so and so left, the number is 17." Or, when it changes, someone could note the increase by one and not bring it up again. Just a thought.

Honestly, what do any of us "accomplish" on here? lol We're all here because we love the vols and we should support our team and fellow fans. JMO of course.

Both are valid points. I don't understand beating a dead horse though and life in this forum is much more pleasant without that.
 
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the numbers talk is over analyzed so much. who cares, no one has control, and no one knows what will happen with players leaving/transferring. it gets old listening to the numbers talk in every thread when we've only received 12 verbals, and it's only july. I do think that butch and co. will fill their class as needed, and who cares about the ones we we turn away, they are the enemy after Feb anyways.
 
Honestly, what do any of us "accomplish" on here? lol We're all here because we love the vols and we should support our team and fellow fans. JMO of course.

Well, sometimes people bring good info. Stats, camp performance, player visits, comments, tweets, etc. Sometimes, even a random funny off the wall comment for a laugh. Some even bring a little inside info. Vol74, matts, volatil. Good info or good stories, quotes. Those are the things I come to this board for. Not numbers 101 with Leb.
 
Well, sometimes people bring good info. Stats, camp performance, player visits, comments, tweets, etc. Sometimes, even a random funny off the wall comment for a laugh. Some even bring a little inside info. Vol74, matts, volatil. Good info or good stories, quotes. Those are the things I come to this board for. Not numbers 101 with Leb.

Ignore him then :) Numbers 101 is stats, dude :) I come here for the same reasons, my friend. I'm here to support the Tennessee Volunteers and their fans. I don't like to see people being hateful on here for any reason. The one thing I can say about Leb in that respect; I have never seen him be hateful toward anyone, no matter what they did to try to rustle his jimmies.
 
There are no facts in the number situation. It is fluid. Talking about it in every damn thread is a monumental waste of everyone's time, as no one knows the exact number. It is speculation. Not facts.

Yup....bottom line is that Butch is gonna take how ever many players he damn well pleases and he's gonna find a way to do it.
 
He may harp on and on and on about the numbers, but there's a reason. He doesn't live in googleyeyed imaginationland like all the posters that he is constantly tempering expectations for. It's just as annoying to me all the people that ignore reality with the numbers because at the end of the day, facts are facts. I think he's only trying to keep everyone grounded in reality, and that takes an immense amount of time and effort around these parts. Basically, he wouldn't post it a million times if people just get it the first time. :hi:

Why don't you get off his jock
 
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Why don't you get off his jock

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LV needs people to support him and his convoluted ideas.

All he does is give his opinion like everyone else here. I've never seen him be a Richard to anyone. He may beat a dead horse sometimes, but at least he's not an ass about it. I support any fan in this forum who behaves as such. I'd stick up for any of you over anything similar as long as I have some respect for you. Which most of you I do.
 
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I tend to agree. Somebody start a numbers thread or something so we don't have to keep derailing threads.

:hi:

I will start that thread when you put the 2014 Vols football schedule on the VN homepage.
I think we have been punished enough by the 2013 schedule, don't you? :)

Plus you said you were looking into that a while back... :popcorn:

Thanks Freak! :hi:
 
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Both are valid points. I don't understand beating a dead horse though and life in this forum is much more pleasant without that.

This is just my opinion, but both of these groups are beating the dead horse. They are just beating opposite ends of the same dead horse. :)
 
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