'15 GA WR Preston Williams (UT Signee 2/4/15)

[Ron Swanson]

I still can't believe this ridiculous number obsession you have. Every single day in every single thread. Maybe you are bruin after all.

Smiley emoticon response coming...

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

I still can't believe this ridiculous number obsession you have. Every single day in every single thread. Maybe you are bruin after all.

Smiley emoticon response coming...

Your not being honest at all. There are a TON of threads I don't post in at all. Saying it's every thread is just telling stories.

It's in no way an obsession. It's part of recruiting. #'s come into play. It's just the way it is some years. "He's a take, He's a take, He's a take" is just not reality when you can't sign a full class. Even when you can sign a full 25, they are not all takes. CBJ said 18-22. I feel confident looking at a class of 20 is realistic. Some need to force 25 into their mind to feel right. I get that. It's alright.

 

[Ron Swanson]

It's every thread that you post in. And it is an obsession.

 

[AV_12]

I still can't believe this ridiculous number obsession you have. Every single day in every single thread. Maybe you are bruin after all.

Smiley emoticon response coming...

I'm just glad he quit using the one with the tongue sticking out.. A grown man using that so often was pretty alarming lol

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

It's every thread that you post in. And it is an obsession.

Another story I tell ya. Dr. Seuss in the house!

 

[Dust10]

Your not being honest at all. There are a TON of threads I don't post in at all. Saying it's every thread is just telling stories.

It's in no way an obsession. It's part of recruiting. #'s come into play. It's just the way it is some years. "He's a take, He's a take, He's a take" is just not reality when you can't sign a full class. Even when you can sign a full 25, they are not all takes. CBJ said 18-22. I feel confident looking at a class of 20 is realistic. Some need to force 25 into their mind to feel right. I get that. It's alright.

Obviously all of our offers aren't takes, but I don't see a problem with saying upwards of 50 guys are takes right now. It is simply too early to worry about numbers. If a player you want to take wants to jump on board, you let him. Then you work out the numbers later as it becomes more evident how many will be in the class.

 

[CWGvol]

Your not being honest at all. There are a TON of threads I don't post in at all. Saying it's every thread is just telling stories.

It's in no way an obsession. It's part of recruiting. #'s come into play. It's just the way it is some years. "He's a take, He's a take, He's a take" is just not reality when you can't sign a full class. Even when you can sign a full 25, they are not all takes. CBJ said 18-22. I feel confident looking at a class of 20 is realistic. Some need to force 25 into their mind to feel right. I get that. It's alright.

You still post it in every thread you post in and actually take time to break it down every time by position. We know numbers come into play every year. We also know your opinion on it. You also pass your opinion off ass fact and it all gets VERY old. You can't stand the majority having a different opinion, yet complain any time someone has a problem with yours. Quite the double standard as usual.

If you don't think we will lose at least a few more players that will open up spots I don't know what to tell you. I know you are new to recruiting but this is nothing new. We don't have to worry about cutting from 23 to 20 because we will probably be adding 2 more than that. Why break it down every time you comment when you have no idea what the numbers are?

 

[CWGvol]

Obviously all of our offers aren't takes, but I don't see a problem with saying upwards of 50 guys are takes right now. It is simply too early to worry about numbers. If a player you want to take wants to jump on board, you let him. Then you work out the numbers later as it becomes more evident how many will be in the class.

I was gonna say this too. When someone says a guy is a take it sometimes just means he's good enough to play here and the coaches want him. Like you said, there are over 50 guys that are "takes". It doesn't mean we are gonna take 50 players. Lots of different things come unto play as to who we sign. Like a DJ Smith from last year. He was a take, but he didnt commit early enough. Just because he was a "take" doesn't mean in late Feb. we would drop a player to take him. Just means he was good enough to take and the coaches would have taken him. It's really not that hard.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Obviously all of our offers aren't takes, but I don't see a problem with saying upwards of 50 guys are takes right now. It is simply too early to worry about numbers. If a player you want to take wants to jump on board, you let him. Then you work out the numbers later as it becomes more evident how many will be in the class.

IMO the reason recruiting has been pretty quiet on the UT front is absolutely related to the #s for this class. I don't think it's too early at all. I am sure the coaches are fighting it everyday.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

You still post it in every thread you post in and actually take time to break it down every time by position. We know numbers come into play every year. We also know your opinion on it. You also pass your opinion off ass fact and it all gets VERY old. You can't stand the majority having a different opinion, yet complain any time someone has a problem with yours. Quite the double standard as usual.

If you don't think we will lose at least a few more players that will open up spots I don't know what to tell you. I know you are new to recruiting but this is nothing new. We don't have to worry about cutting from 23 to 20 because we will probably be adding 2 more than that. Why break it down every time you comment when you have no idea what the numbers are?

I'm actually not new to recruiting. Just because this name has been posting for a given time, does not mean that is the day a person started following recruiting. I have said all along we would lose "a few" players. Even thought the # is 12 today, does not mean it was going to be 12 on NSD. I mentioned 18 quite a while ago as a reasonable # in my mind. CBJ then said 18-22. To sign 18, 6 current Vols have to leave. That is more than a "few", and fit with what I was saying. I feel like I am looking at it from a realistic standpoint. Some just tell themselves it MUST be 25 or all is lost. They don't want to name names. They don't want to explain how they get to that #, they just KNOW it will happen. That is the funny part to me. There is nothing to support their claims.

 

[Dust10]

IMO the reason recruiting has been pretty quiet on the UT front is absolutely related to the #s for this class. I don't think it's too early at all. I am sure the coaches are fighting it everyday.

I think we all recognize the coaches are up against it this year in regards to the numbers. They have access to all the information and its their job to settle it. The issue many on here have is when we say, "sign this dude up, he is a take" you're right in here with, "who are you gonna cut?" Do we really need to debate who to cut when we only have 9 commits? When we get to 26, we can talk.

 

[Thump]

Butch also said that number is subject to change. My money is on 25.

This. We are rebuilding. The fat will be trimmed after the end of spring. People will mysteriously begin "Violating Team Rules" and Transferring. Just the way it is.

It could also change to 16.

Your not being honest at all. There are a TON of threads I don't post in at all. Saying it's every thread is just telling stories.

It's in no way an obsession. It's part of recruiting. #'s come into play. It's just the way it is some years. "He's a take, He's a take, He's a take" is just not reality when you can't sign a full class. Even when you can sign a full 25, they are not all takes. CBJ said 18-22. I feel confident looking at a class of 20 is realistic. Some need to force 25 into their mind to feel right. I get that. It's alright.

Thats fine but we will at least sign on the high side of his estimate. Not the 16 that you mentioned. Alabama has signed over 25 for the past five or more years. We will cut people...

 

[CWGvol]

I'm actually not new to recruiting. Just because this name has been posting for a given time, does not mean that is the day a person started following recruiting. I have said all along we would lose "a few" players. Even thought the # is 12 today, does not mean it was going to be 12 on NSD. I mentioned 18 quite a while ago as a reasonable # in my mind. CBJ then said 18-22. To sign 18, 6 current Vols have to leave. That is more than a "few", and fit with what I was saying. I feel like I am looking at it from a realistic standpoint. Some just tell themselves it MUST be 25 or all is lost. They don't want to name names. They don't want to explain how they get to that #, they just KNOW it will happen. That is the funny part to me. There is nothing to support their claims.

And what do you have to support your claim? The support to our claim is that it happens every year. Especially, in the first two years of a coaching change. That is the key here. After this year the attrition will be more normal.
That is why even though the number is at 12 now, Butch himself said 18 to 22 as of now. So Butch obviously disagrees with you. That does not "fit" with what you are saying at all. You put the max at 18 while Butch has it as the minimum in March. Nearly a year from signing day!

 

[CWGvol]

This. We are rebuilding. The fat will be trimmed after the end of spring. People will mysteriously begin "Violating Team Rules" and Transferring. Just the way it is.





Thats fine but we will at least sign on the high side of his estimate. Not the 16 that you mentioned. Alabama has signed over 25 for the past five or more years. We will cut people...

Yes! Happens every year and especially in our situation. There is plenty to support that claim as you mentioned, yet ther is nothing to support LV's at all.

 

[CWGvol]

I think we all recognize the coaches are up against it this year in regards to the numbers. They have access to all the information and its their job to settle it. The issue many on here have is when we say, "sign this dude up, he is a take" you're right in here with, "who are you gonna cut?" Do we really need to debate who to cut when we only have 9 commits? When we get to 26, we can talk.

Excellent post! Remember last year? It's really not that hard.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

And what do you have to support your claim? The support to our claim is that it happens every year. Especially, in the first two years of a coaching change. That is the key here. After this year the attrition will be more normal.
That is why even though the number is at 12 now, Butch himself said 18 to 22 as of now. So Butch obviously disagrees with you. That does not "fit" with what you are saying at all. You put the max at 18 while Butch has it as the minimum in March. Nearly a year from signing day!

18 was always my "reasonable #". It could go up or down a couple from there based on how many left. The claims we "WILL" take 25 just has nothing to support it.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Another story I tell ya. Dr. Seuss in the house!

Really? You don't bring up numbers in the threads you post in? I'm pretty sure that you do. I think you're the one telling stories.

 

[CWGvol]

18 was always my "reasonable #". It could go up or down a couple from there based on how many left. The claims we "WILL" take 25 just has nothing to support it.

22 to 25 is way more likely than 16 to 18 and there's plenty to support that. It's also been posted many times to no avail with you. Butch already has the minimum at 18 to 22. You're the only one trying to pass an absolute number off as fact.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

This. We are rebuilding. The fat will be trimmed after the end of spring. People will mysteriously begin "Violating Team Rules" and Transferring. Just the way it is.





Thats fine but we will at least sign on the high side of his estimate. Not the 16 that you mentioned. Alabama has signed over 25 for the past five or more years. We will cut people...

Of course I expected people to look at 18-22 and take the # as 22-25. If it had been 16-19, most would say the # is 19-23. Fans always want more. Even if there is nothing to support their claims that the number will be "on the higher side".

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Really? You don't bring up numbers in the threads you post in? I'm pretty sure that you do. I think you're the one telling stories.

Numbers are part of recruiting. Do I post about it in every thread, every day as you "claim". Of course not. :thumbsup:

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

22 to 25 is way more likely than 16 to 18 and there's plenty to support that. It's also been posted many times to no avail with you. Butch already has the minimum at 18 to 22. You're the only one trying to pass an absolute number off as fact.

I was just making a very valid point. CBJ said 18-22 and then Ron said Butch said that could of course change. Much the same way Ron is hoping it gets to 25, I was saying it could be 16. If the number can go up, obviously it could go down. Butch has in no way said the minimum is 18. A player or 2 performs well this spring and could it not become 16? Of course it could.

 

[CWGvol]

Of course I expected people to look at 18-22 and take the # as 22-25. If it had been 16-19, most would say the # is 19-23. Fans always want more. Even if there is nothing to support their claims that the number will be "on the higher side".

Wow, you're just being an ass now. You've already been told what supports it. While nothing supports your claim and that's why your all alone. Also, we said 20 to 25 before Butch his out his estimate out there. We also expect you to see the numbers lower than what's mentioned. If Butch had said 15 to 18, you would see 12 to 15. Works both ways.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Yes! Happens every year and especially in our situation. There is plenty to support that claim as you mentioned, yet ther is nothing to support LV's at all.

Really?

I mentioned the number realistically for the 2015 class months ago at 18. Current # being 12. CBJ is quoted as saying he hopes to sign a class of 18-22. The VN "insiders" swear it will be 25. Yet there is nothing to support my claim? You do note that my # was at least within his 18-22 right?

Alright.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Numbers are part of recruiting. Do I post about it in every thread, every day as you "claim". Of course not. :thumbsup:

I said in every thread that YOU post in, not every thread on VN.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Wow, you're just being an ass now. You've already been told what supports it. While nothing supports your claim and that's why your all alone. Also, we said 20 to 25 before Butch his out his estimate out there. We also expect you to see the numbers lower than what's mentioned. If Butch had said 15 to 18, you would see 12 to 15. Works both ways.

Once again, your incorrect. When Butch came out with 18-22, I actually changed my # to 20 in most of my want lists. Being in the middle at least to me made sense. :hi:

"It's still going to be 25, I know it"!