'14 TN DB Rashaan Gaulden (UT Signee 2/5/14)

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The Breakerboy said:
Adoree is a top 3 athlete for sure. But Gaulden is built for the CB position top to bottom. Look at his skill set it projects to the CB position best. At CB his size is much better than Adoree(Who is actually kind of a shorter CB). He hits harder than Adoree. He's stronger and in the SEC that's important in setting the edge in the running game. He closes well and has long arms. All we have to do is coach his coverage skills up to his athleticism. He's vastly underrated.[/
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He is vastly underrated, but not #6 overall recruit in the nation underrated.
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Escape Goat said:
The Breakerboy said:
Adoree is a top 3 athlete for sure. But Gaulden is built for the CB position top to bottom. Look at his skill set it projects to the CB position best. At CB his size is much better than Adoree(Who is actually kind of a shorter CB). He hits harder than Adoree. He's stronger and in the SEC that's important in setting the edge in the running game. He closes well and has long arms. All we have to do is coach his coverage skills up to his athleticism. He's vastly underrated.[/
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He is vastly underrated, but not #6 overall recruit in the nation underrated.
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Adoree can be Mamba good on offense and STs he should be ranked that high. He projects elite at three different phases of the game. But at CB I still like Gaulden's potential more due to how I like my defense to play.
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The Breakerboy said:
Adoree is a top 3 athlete for sure. But Gaulden is built for the CB position top to bottom. Look at his skill set it projects to the CB position best. At CB his size is much better than Adoree(Who is actually kind of a shorter CB). He hits harder than Adoree. He's stronger and in the SEC that's important in setting the edge in the running game. He closes well and has long arms. All we have to do is coach his coverage skills up to his athleticism. He's vastly underrated.
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There have been a lot of great DBs that have a similar skill set and size as Adoree. Adoree has elite athleticism which helps especially at DB. Gotta have quick hips, closing speed, great footwork.

Nothing against Gualden, but Adoree is a better cover corner. You can teach fundamentals all day but at a certain point you turn it over to instincts. Adoree is a ballhawk. Rashaan is a headhunter.
 
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You can put them both at corner. But Jackson is the type of player we need on offense. He has scoring ability. Meaning the play doesn't have to score. He can. RG is the type of size & toughness that would be nice on the edge. Tired of wr screens going home against us. Both guys are elite to me. I hope both are in Orange next year.
 
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Vol865 said:
There have been a lot of great DBs that have a similar skill set and size as Adoree. Adoree has elite athleticism which helps especially at DB. Gotta have quick hips, closing speed, great footwork.

Nothing against Gualden, but Adoree is a better cover corner. You can teach fundamentals all day but at a certain point you turn it over to instincts. Adoree is a ballhawk. Rashaan is a headhunter.
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Which is why you leave Gaulden at Safety. Get his weight to 205 and will be ejected in at least 4 games next season for excessive mauling. I have seen Gaulden play in person, and he is every bit of a headhunter. In fact so much that he is definitely top 10 safety in the country. Now on the flip side, Gaulden cannot cover. He is to to aggressive and lacks the patience t be a cover corner. He also holds grudges on the field. If a reciever gets in his head, he will forget about football and spend the rest of the game trying to kill the guy. He will never be able to cover like an Adoree Jackson. But heres the thing; it's easier to teach a db to set the edge than it is to be an elite cover guy. And besides, ask Deion Sanders which one is more important. Adoree is a shut down corner and honestly I could care less about him setting the edge.
 
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LionPride said:
Which is why you leave Gaulden at Safety. Get his weight to 205 and will be ejected in at least 4 games next season for excessive mauling. I have seen Gaulden play in person, and he is every bit of a headhunter. In fact so much that he is definitely top 10 safety in the country. Now on the flip side, Gaulden cannot cover. He is to to aggressive and lacks the patience t be a cover corner. He also holds grudges on the field. If a reciever gets in his head, he will forget about football and spend the rest of the game trying to kill the guy. He will never be able to cover like an Adoree Jackson. But heres the thing; it's easier to teach a db to set the edge than it is to be an elite cover guy. And besides, ask Deion Sanders which one is more important. Adoree is a shut down corner and honestly I could care less about him setting the edge.
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He doesn't have to cover like Adoree. He's no PrimeTime either. If you like Nate Clements, Dee Miliner, Chris Gamble, Mike Rumph(in college), Richard Sherman, Brandon Browner, or any of those long rangy CBs you'll like Gaulden at CB. He doesn't have to be just ridiculous in coverage when you're the type of player he is. Also I know for a fact guys like Joe Haden and Miliner didn't even play CB in HS. They didn't turn out so bad did they. If you put him at FS and he's too aggressive we'll have to pull him out of the game for blowing coverages. So what makes you think I can't settle him down by putting a WR in his face and saying "This is your man if you blow the coverage looking into the backfield all game you're getting pulled". He'll be fine because he wants to be on the field. Also CWM sees him as a CB too. He can come right in and play there. His tool set is tailor made for the position. I've stated before I'd rather have him be a big CB than an average sized safety. Especially when we have two equal level players coming in at safety.
 
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Vol865 said:
There have been a lot of great DBs that have a similar skill set and size as Adoree. Adoree has elite athleticism which helps especially at DB. Gotta have quick hips, closing speed, great footwork.

Nothing against Gualden, but Adoree is a better cover corner. You can teach fundamentals all day but at a certain point you turn it over to instincts. Adoree is a ballhawk. Rashaan is a headhunter.
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There have been a lot of good CBs with Gaulden's skill set.

Revis, Shawn Springs, Chris Gamble, Nate Clements, Ahmed Plummer, Richard Sherman, Brandon Browner, Dee Miliner, Prince Amukamara, Nnamdi Asomugha, and Sean Smith come to mind.

You don't have to be a lockdown CB coming in. We've got a lockdown CB already here(Sutton). We can develop Gaulden while giving him safety help on a lot of plays. He had no problems locking WRs up when he camped though. And I can see why with his build and ball skills.
 
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cmon guys! adoree jackson is tyoe athelete that only comes around so often. this guys talking about running in the olympics
 
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jackcrevol said:
cmon guys! adoree jackson is tyoe athelete that only comes around so often. this guys talking about running in the olympics
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He's a long jumper but he's a monster athlete no doubt. On offense he's the best playmaker with the ball at WR. On defense he will be a great CB but big WRs like North or Malone would give him problems. Similar to VHIII when it comes to athleticism(probably more athletic)but not as coached up coming out.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
He's a long jumper but he's a monster athlete no doubt. On offense he's the best playmaker with the ball at WR. On defense he will be a great CB but big WRs like North or Malone would give him problems. Similar to VHIII when it comes to athleticism(probably more athletic)but not as coached up coming out.
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We get it. But a lot of coaches will agree that Jackson is best suited at CB. Not only that, but I'm sure you'll find he's rated a 5 star "CB" on every board for a reason. He is your ideal lock down corner and size is a non-issue. You pick on him by saying big WRs will give him problems, yet I haven't really heard that this was a weak point in his game. It goes without saying that a smaller guy covering a bigger buy will have problems, but Jackson excels in man-to-man coverage and has incredible burst topped with superb ball skills and some nasty hops. Any WRs worst nightmare and any coaches wet dream. All you have to do is look at a Pro Bowl roster to conclude that 5'10 is more than enough height to be dominant at the position, in case that was a concern. But I'm sure you knew that already.

Either way, back on topic. Gaulden gonna get like 50 tackles in this game.
 
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Also a guy that can jump, who is already blanketing a wr , will not have as many probs with tall wr's . Most times the qb will not throw it, seeing he is well covered. But Jackson would have no problem matching the vertical of most 6'4" receivers with near Olympic level leaping ability. He's a better corner than Gaulden could be I think. But I also believe Gaulden would be a much better safety than adoree could.
 
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Phat-Phil said:
I think he means that VHIII's technique and his ability to diagnose and react to the route the WR is running was about as good as it gets for a CB coming out of HS.
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Re-reading what he said, I still have no idea. He is saying Wharton is better coached I guess? Adoree Jackson plays for one of the best high school programs in the country. Coaching isn't and issue. Nor are instincts or fundamentals. He is a complete player. Breakerboy, where are you getting this stuff.
 
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Phat-Phil said:
I think he means that VHIII's technique and his ability to diagnose and react to the route the WR is running was about as good as it gets for a CB coming out of HS.
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Glad you can see read what I posted easily. VHIII had college level coaching for a while. He's almost like a robot with how he plays.

Kirby I never said Jackson wasn't a five star prospect at CB. I just said as a DB prospect Gaulden is a better prospect to ME. He's vastly underrated and easily compares to former 5 star Dee Miliner athletically. Except he's already hitting coming out of HS. Miliner wasn't anywhere near as physical in HS. I don't know why you think I'm taking a jab at a kid if I say he'll have some trouble with bigger WRs. He's 5'8-5'9(remember he was shorter than the reported 5'11)what CB that size doesn't have trouble with the much bigger WRs in jump ball situations especially.

On Wharton I said Adoree was better than the kid so what are you talking about there?
 
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StoVol said:
Also a guy that can jump, who is already blanketing a wr , will not have as many probs with tall wr's . Most times the qb will not throw it, seeing he is well covered. But Jackson would have no problem matching the vertical of most 6'4" receivers with near Olympic level leaping ability. He's a better corner than Gaulden could be I think. But I also believe Gaulden would be a much better safety than adoree could.
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If Adoree is on North, Malone, or Pearson I tell my QB throw it up and tell them you better make a play on the ball. It's just the nature of the game. Big WRs can muscle through the smaller DBs(Jackson isn't really muscular yet). In this league teams are trotting out Big WRs with great leaping ability. I didn't say he won't make any plays against the bigger guys but him being on them tight doesn't mean a thing in jump ball situations. I like Gaulden's skill set at CB a lot. I think we can develop him into a big time CB. At safety he probably could be good but I like him a lot at CB at this level.
 
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