'14 AL RB Racean Thomas

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Vol865 said:
The national LOI works both ways and should be honored by both sides. It is a contract saying that said player is to come to school and participate in class and maintain a certain gpa and participate in the football teams activities. By doing so his education, room, and board are payed for. It does NOT say that if the recruit doesn't "pan out" on the field that you can just drop him like ur 8th grade girlfriend. When you get a loan for a car you can't just say you don't want it anymore and just stop paying on it....the money will still be owed one way or another and its your responsibility because you made the decision to get it.

Edit: sorry OHvol40...was replying to RM20's post you replied to
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I never said I agree with everything tha goes on but just like TW stated, its year by year and thats the fact of the matter. Im glad its that way, kids should earn it just like other kids in society
 
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#227
If the contract states that the kid maintain a certain GPA, participate in football activities, and follow guidelines of behavior and integrity...then the scholarship should be honored all four years as long as the player upholds his side of the contract. If the player doesn't pan out, it should fall on the coach who offered him the contract, or they should do a better job coaching him.

Naive or not, idealistic or not....this is collegiate athletics, not pro football farm teams. Either we should maintain the spirit of amatuer sports, or we should start paying these players. Forcing kids to take medical redshirts when it isn't needed or cutting them goes against the idea of college athletics and rewards coaches who are better at bending the rules and shoving integrity to the side rather than actually coaching and doing a better job at who they recruit.
 
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rjd970 said:
If the contract states that the kid maintain a certain GPA, participate in football activities, and follow guidelines of behavior and integrity...then the scholarship should be honored all four years as long as the player upholds his side of the contract. If the player doesn't pan out, it should fall on the coach who offered him the contract, or they should do a better job coaching him.

Naive or not, idealistic or not....this is collegiate athletics, not pro football farm teams. Either we should maintain the spirit of amatuer sports, or we should start paying these players. Forcing kids to take medical redshirts when it isn't needed or cutting them goes against the idea of college athletics and rewards coaches who are better at bending the rules and shoving integrity to the side rather than actually coaching and doing a better job at who they recruit.
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A lot of wisdom in this post. While it may be within the rules, that doesn't make it the right thing to do.
 
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rjd970 said:
If the contract states that the kid maintain a certain GPA, participate in football activities, and follow guidelines of behavior and integrity...then the scholarship should be honored all four years as long as the player upholds his side of the contract. If the player doesn't pan out, it should fall on the coach who offered him the contract, or they should do a better job coaching him.

Naive or not, idealistic or not....this is collegiate athletics, not pro football farm teams. Either we should maintain the spirit of amatuer sports, or we should start paying these players. Forcing kids to take medical redshirts when it isn't needed or cutting them goes against the idea of college athletics and rewards coaches who are better at bending the rules and shoving integrity to the side rather than actually coaching and doing a better job at who they recruit.
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Very well said.

Individuals on academic scholarships that get them revoked can still go to class at the institution. An individual on an athletic scholarship that gets it pulled cannot play athletics at the school.
 
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#230
You guys need to take these program moral codes somewhere else. If UT had a Saban type of policy here I wouldn't care as long as we're winning. If players chooses to play for that type of coach and program that's on the player and his parents. You are a Football player that needs to improve every year. If you don't pan out due to not caring once you get on campus why should a coach have to deal with that BS for 4-5 years? His family is depending on him winning games not honoring a non-productive player's scholarship. If a kid doesn't: practice hard on the scout team, play hard during games, or lift hard in the offseason you guys say keep him for 4-5 years. There's absolutely no way coaches can afford to do that.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
You guys need to take these program moral codes somewhere else. If UT had a Saban type of policy here I wouldn't care as long as we're winning. If players chooses to play for that type of coach and program that's on the player and his parents. You are a Football player that needs to improve every year. If you don't pan out due to not caring once you get on campus why should a coach have to deal with that BS for 4-5 years? His family is depending on him winning games not honoring a non-productive player's scholarship. If a kid doesn't: practice hard on the scout team, play hard during games, or lift hard in the offseason you guys say keep him for 4-5 years. There's absolutely no way coaches can afford to do that.
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Just skip through it, as these threads are on topic only 40-50% of the time anyway.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
You guys need to take these program moral codes somewhere else. If UT had a Saban type of policy here I wouldn't care as long as we're winning. If players chooses to play for that type of coach and program that's on the player and his parents. You are a Football player that needs to improve every year. If you don't pan out due to not caring once you get on campus why should a coach have to deal with that BS for 4-5 years? His family is depending on him winning games not honoring a non-productive player's scholarship. If a kid doesn't: practice hard on the scout team, play hard during games, or lift hard in the offseason you guys say keep him for 4-5 years. There's absolutely no way coaches can afford to do that.
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I've always thought this as well. I know coaches want to create good will, but if a player doesn't perform, then they don't deserve it. Academic scholarships don't work this way. If you suck it up in the classroom, then you lose your academic scholarship. Same should apply for sports. And I don't mean a kid not turning out to be as good as expected. I mean a kid just really really sucking and/or not trying. There's one particular player on this team I could name right now, but I'll leave him unmentioned. It just makes me absolutely mad to know he gets a scholarship to a university for what he's giving us so far.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
You guys need to take these program moral codes somewhere else. If UT had a Saban type of policy here I wouldn't care as long as we're winning. If players chooses to play for that type of coach and program that's on the player and his parents. You are a Football player that needs to improve every year. If you don't pan out due to not caring once you get on campus why should a coach have to deal with that BS for 4-5 years? His family is depending on him winning games not honoring a non-productive player's scholarship. If a kid doesn't: practice hard on the scout team, play hard during games, or lift hard in the offseason you guys say keep him for 4-5 years. There's absolutely no way coaches can afford to do that.
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If coaches can cut the kids for those reasons then kids shouldn't have to sit out a year for transfers.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
You guys need to take these program moral codes somewhere else. If UT had a Saban type of policy here I wouldn't care as long as we're winning. If players chooses to play for that type of coach and program that's on the player and his parents. You are a Football player that needs to improve every year. If you don't pan out due to not caring once you get on campus why should a coach have to deal with that BS for 4-5 years? His family is depending on him winning games not honoring a non-productive player's scholarship. If a kid doesn't: practice hard on the scout team, play hard during games, or lift hard in the offseason you guys say keep him for 4-5 years. There's absolutely no way coaches can afford to do that.
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Great post. Even a guy that hates Bama understands the situation realistically.
 
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#237
For those that like quoting A Bone on here and the ones saying UA fans like RM20 were making it up here is a quote from Bone today.

He wants to become the No. 1 guy for a school. A lot of schools like Auburn and Georgia have made him feel that way. Things can easily change in the next 11 months.

I know that Roc wanted to commit in November to Alabama. A lot of people know that by now. He was asked to wait until after signing day. I think that also upset him a little bit. The staff is trying to get him for a visit this spring. Alabama has fallen down his list though.

UT probably limited their chances when Hurd committed and he is not happy that UA has made LF their top target.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
You guys need to take these program moral codes somewhere else. If UT had a Saban type of policy here I wouldn't care as long as we're winning. If players chooses to play for that type of coach and program that's on the player and his parents. You are a Football player that needs to improve every year. If you don't pan out due to not caring once you get on campus why should a coach have to deal with that BS for 4-5 years? His family is depending on him winning games not honoring a non-productive player's scholarship. If a kid doesn't: practice hard on the scout team, play hard during games, or lift hard in the offseason you guys say keep him for 4-5 years. There's absolutely no way coaches can afford to do that.
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What if he does everything you say he is not doing and the coach still cuts him for the next thing because he just is not good enough. At the very least, he should be able to transfer and not sit out to another D1 school. The coaches get to do that without sitting out. A release by the present school should at least allow that.
 
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BB, you just prove my point that calling it college football is a sham. It is pro minor leagues. Call it that and just forget the need to even qualify with academics. Some coaches still do and in the past did care about the actual student as a person. Bear Bryant never did and I do not believe Saben does either. Too much money in it these days to call it anything but big business.
 
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#240
The Breakerboy said:
You guys need to take these program moral codes somewhere else. If UT had a Saban type of policy here I wouldn't care as long as we're winning. If players chooses to play for that type of coach and program that's on the player and his parents. You are a Football player that needs to improve every year. If you don't pan out due to not caring once you get on campus why should a coach have to deal with that BS for 4-5 years? His family is depending on him winning games not honoring a non-productive player's scholarship. If a kid doesn't: practice hard on the scout team, play hard during games, or lift hard in the offseason you guys say keep him for 4-5 years. There's absolutely no way coaches can afford to do that.
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I disagree. I always thought that this practice would come back to haunt ut when it happened here.
 
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#245
I'd like to hear what he thinks about UT already having two RBs committed for 2014. I'm prepared for the generic answers. But, I'd like to see what he tells a reporter when posed the question.
 
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#246
RM20 said:
I never said I agree with everything tha goes on but just like TW stated, its year by year and thats the fact of the matter. Im glad its that way, kids should earn it just like other kids in society
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Yeah they should earn it but who's to say they arent? Whats the barometer for that? If they are giving you all they have on the field and in the classroom they are earning it IMO. Just because they dont get the playing time in games doesnt mean they dont go to practice every day and bust their tail like everyone else. Some people are just more athletically gifted and its the staffs job to evaluate talent. They should have to honor the scholarship all 4 yrs or like TW said, they should be able to transfer with no penalty, but also should be able to transfer whereever they want. They shouldnt be coaxed into getting a medical hardship.
 
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#247
The Breakerboy said:
Just like Hot Sauce Recruiting right? It doesn't hurt a program like losing does.

Oh the other hand Rock Thomas going to Auburn would be great in my books.
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So your point is you should do whatever it takes whether it's the right thing to do or not and that's the only way to win?
 
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#248
The Breakerboy said:
You guys need to take these program moral codes somewhere else. If UT had a Saban type of policy here I wouldn't care as long as we're winning. If players chooses to play for that type of coach and program that's on the player and his parents. You are a Football player that needs to improve every year. If you don't pan out due to not caring once you get on campus why should a coach have to deal with that BS for 4-5 years? His family is depending on him winning games not honoring a non-productive player's scholarship. If a kid doesn't: practice hard on the scout team, play hard during games, or lift hard in the offseason you guys say keep him for 4-5 years. There's absolutely no way coaches can afford to do that.
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Well, then lets open the f'n checkbook and start paying players as professionals, because that is exactly what you are describing.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
You guys need to take these program moral codes somewhere else. If UT had a Saban type of policy here I wouldn't care as long as we're winning. If players chooses to play for that type of coach and program that's on the player and his parents. You are a Football player that needs to improve every year. If you don't pan out due to not caring once you get on campus why should a coach have to deal with that BS for 4-5 years? His family is depending on him winning games not honoring a non-productive player's scholarship. If a kid doesn't: practice hard on the scout team, play hard during games, or lift hard in the offseason you guys say keep him for 4-5 years. There's absolutely no way coaches can afford to do that.
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yes
 
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