'13 KY DE Jason Hatcher (USCw Commit)

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sanddune50 said:
Don't see how USC is getting around the scholarship reductions. Is it 30 total scholarships against the 85? 10 a year? I.E. down to 75 in year 1, 65 in year 2, and 55 in year 3

If so, that makes sense, but if not, don't see how USC is getting more than the allotted 25 per year enacted by the NCAA for the upcoming season.
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That's not how it works at all.

The penalties are that USC is only allowed 15 scholarships per year with a cap of 75 total allowed.

However, that doesn't mean it will go:
85 -> 75 -> 65 -> 55

For instance, if USC is at 75 scholarships and loses 15 players to graduation (etc), we would be able to sign 15 players, which would keep use right at 75 scholarships.

With the way the roster is spread out, USC will likely be able to stay near (or at) 75 total scholarships.
 
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AbsenteeTrojan said:
That's not how it works at all.

The penalties are that USC is only allowed 15 scholarships per year with a cap of 75 total allowed.

However, that doesn't mean it will go:
85 -> 75 -> 65 -> 55

For instance, if USC is at 75 scholarships and loses 15 players to graduation (etc), we would be able to sign 15 players, which would keep use right at 75 scholarships.

With the way the roster is spread out, USC will likely be able to stay near (or at) 75 total scholarships.
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Not much of a punishment.
 
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AbsenteeTrojan said:
That's not how it works at all.

The penalties are that USC is only allowed 15 scholarships per year with a cap of 75 total allowed.

However, that doesn't mean it will go:
85 -> 75 -> 65 -> 55

For instance, if USC is at 75 scholarships and loses 15 players to graduation (etc), we would be able to sign 15 players, which would keep use right at 75 scholarships.

With the way the roster is spread out, USC will likely be able to stay near (or at) 75 total scholarships.
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According the the link below, USC has 75 scholarship players this year, and 14 are seniors.

USCFootball.com - USC Trojan Football Scholarship Distribution

75 -14 + 18 > 75
 
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mreynoldsdvm said:
This is very true. The one school that worries me the most now is Florida. He mentioned it at the end of his interview that they may sneak in there. Florida does have a veterinary program, and a very good one at that. USC will not get him in my opinion. It seems that his mom has some pull here, and no way that she will want him to go all the way out west. I believe that we are leading right now, but it will come down to UT/UF battle IMO, and UF really scares me if he visits.
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UF could pose a problem but one thing in our favor is our close proximity to Hatcher's home (louisville). This young man seemed to be momentarily swayed by some of kiffie's recruits (don't know if they said anything negative about UT)(but I don't trust kiffin at all),,but I would all but count USC out of the mix.

Hotseat talk - if UF has an iffy season and UT performs like I think they will,,,it's moosecramps turn to be nega recruited against.
 
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I don't see how back counting is even relevant given the 75 scholarship limit.
 
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UTwon said:
How can usc back count anybody when they are limited to 15 per year and signed 16 last year?
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USC only signed 15 last year, and 3 were EEs that counted against the previous class. Therefore, we still have 3 EEs (15-12) available from last class.
 
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OCIVol said:
I don't see how back counting is even relevant given the 75 scholarship limit.
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I thought my example spelled it out pretty well. The backcounting allows us to sign enough players to get us up to the 75 again.

We won't be able to use EEs starting next year.
 
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AbsenteeTrojan said:
We lose 14 seniors, as you already pointed out.

We lost at least 4 transfers from what I can recall: Kyle Prater, Dillon Baxter, Amir Carlisle, and Jesse Scroggins.

That's already 18 players.
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How many scholarship players do you have this year? If the answer is 75, then the transfers are irrelevant because they are not being counted against the 75 limit. Seems to me like it should be one out, one in. Or, 14 out, 14 in.
 
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OCIVol said:
How many scholarship players do you have this year? If the answer is 75, then the transfers are irrelevant because they are not being counted against the 75 limit. Seems to me like it should be one out, one in. Or, 14 out, 14 in.
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Of course they're relevant.

Let's say we are at 75 players. If we lose 14 players to graduation and 1 player to a transfer, we would be able to sign 15 total to get back up to 75.

We can always sign 15. We can only get back to 75.
 
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AbsenteeTrojan said:
Of course they're relevant.

Let's say we are at 75 players. If we lose 14 players to graduation and 1 player to a transfer, we would be able to sign 15 total to get back up to 75.

We can always sign 15. We can only get back to 75.
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Per USC's Rivals site, USC has 75 players on scholarship for the fall. As we have previously agreed upon, 14 of those players are seniors. Thus, after this year USC will have 61 scholarship players (assuming nobody transfers, declares early for the draft). Are you in agreement that USC can only sign 14 if nobody leaves?
 
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OCIVol said:
I understand roster attrition, but back counting is irrelevant if USC can only take 14 or 15 players.
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You are right

They are limited to 15 a year

If they lose 18, they cant back count because of the limit of 15

If they lose more than 15 players through attrition, graduation, then they have to make up the difference in walk-ons
 
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OCIVol said:
Per USC's Rivals site, USC has 75 players on scholarship for the fall. As we have previously agreed upon, 14 of those players are seniors. Thus, after this year USC will have 61 scholarship players (assuming nobody transfers, declares early for the draft). Are you in agreement that USC can only sign 14 if nobody leaves?
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You are correct in that case, yes. My numbers are jumbled.

However, where you are mistaken is that USC is limited to only signing 14 players. USC can always sign 15 players, every year. I'm pretty sure that the roster cap of 75 doesn't go into effect until the fall. So... attrition in the spring and summer can make room for the new recruits.

USC will sign 18 next year. The numbers will work themselves out.
 
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CountVolcula said:
You are right

They are limited to 15 a year

If they lose 18, they cant back count because of the limit of 15

If they lose more than 15 players through attrition, graduation, then they have to make up the difference in walk-ons
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We CAN backcount this year. We had three left over from the previous class, therefore we can sign 15 this year and 3 EEs that backcount to last year.
 
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AbsenteeTrojan said:
You are correct in that case, yes. My numbers are jumbled.

However, where you are mistaken is that USC is limited to only signing 14 players. USC can always sign 15 players, every year. I'm pretty sure that the roster cap of 75 doesn't go into effect until the fall. So... attrition in the spring and summer can make room for the new recruits.

USC will sign 18 next year. The numbers will work themselves out.
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So USC can sign up to 18 as long as (a) it does not exceed 75 scholarships and (b) at least 3 signees are EEs?
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OCIVol said:
So USC can sign up to 18 as long as (a) it does not exceed 75 scholarships and (b) at least 3 signees are EEs?
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Correct. And if Darreus Rogers doesn't qualify this fall, that opens up another slot from last class.

That would give us the 15 for this year plus 4 from last year for a total of 19. And at least 4 would have to be EEs.

We're on pace for way more than 4 EEs though.

edit: actually, not completely correct.

It's my understanding that USC can sign 18 (or maybe 19) for this class REGARDLESS of where it puts us with the limit of 75. USC would simply have to make sure that they are in compliance with the limit of 75 when fall rolls around.
 
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