'13 JUCO DT Toby Johnson

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Biopsyman said:
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Wud be nice to actually sign some Freshmen DT's. Other than O'Brian we keep having to go the JUCO route which is okay but even those guys take a year of "break in" then their gone (hope/think Sentimore will be exception). BIG DT's go fast in SEC recruiting IMO and usually stay close to home (momma's boys).
 
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We are in the Top 5 of Rod Crayton, Darius Latham, & Donovan Munger,
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in the mix with Jaynard Bostwick, Jay Ellison, Kelsey Griffin, Michael Hill, Antonio Riles, & Dominique Threatt amongst others.

JUCO players Johnson and Peko are two top rated DT's and would be good p/u's.

I understand your point but don't underestimate the value of JC players and their contributions.
 
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oskie_score said:
We are in the Top 5 of Rod Crayton, Darius Latham, & Donovan Munger,
and
in the mix with Jaynard Bostwick, Jay Ellison, Kelsey Griffin, Michael Hill, Antonio Riles, & Dominique Threatt amongst others.

JUCO players Johnson and Peko are two top rated DT's and would be good p/u's.

I understand your point but don't underestimate the value of JC players and their contributions.
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Under Dooley, we will always go after JUCO DL because they provide immediate impact depth.
 
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OCIVol said:
Under Dooley, we will always go after JUCO DL because they provide immediate impact depth.
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I am not saying that you are wrong about Dooley's approach but I hope that this is not true. I would prefer for Dooley to get big name high school stars at DL positions whom UT could grow internally in the program rather than always relying on JUCO DL talent. I am always concerned with JUCOs because the bust rate seems fairly high, the learning curve is steep and it usually takes one year to adjust (like Nick Fairley), and, most importantly, the majority of impact players, including DL, come directly from high school. I really hope that Dooley gets the DL recruiting machine cranking to the point that JUCOs are rarely taken and only if they are definitively dominant. Whereas, at this point, I feel like we are taking so many JUCO DLs because of the lack of quality depth at these critical positions. From my perspective, Dooley is using JUCO DLs as stopgap measures until he is able to effectively grow DLs within the program. Of course, maybe I am entirely wrong and Dooley thinks that he can always get a few impact DLs from the JUCO ranks. Regardless, I am rooting for a shift to recruiting high school kids to grow internally. That's just my opinion, though.
 
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Bama recruits JUCO linemen every year, I think its a good strategy to get couple each cycle.
 
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WhatInVolnation said:
I am not saying that you are wrong about Dooley's approach but I hope that this is not true. I would prefer for Dooley to get big name high school stars at DL positions whom UT could grow internally in the program rather than always relying on JUCO DL talent. I am always concerned with JUCOs because the bust rate seems fairly high, the learning curve is steep and it usually takes one year to adjust (like Nick Fairley), and, most importantly, the majority of impact players, including DL, come directly from high school. I really hope that Dooley gets the DL recruiting machine cranking to the point that JUCOs are rarely taken and only if they are definitively dominant. Whereas, at this point, I feel like we are taking so many JUCO DLs because of the lack of quality depth at these critical positions. From my perspective, Dooley is using JUCO DLs as stopgap measures until he is able to effectively grow DLs within the program. Of course, maybe I am entirely wrong and Dooley thinks that he can always get a few impact DLs from the JUCO ranks. Regardless, I am rooting for a shift to recruiting high school kids to grow internally. That's just my opinion, though.
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Hate to say it, but the flip side of that coin is that HS DLs can flunk out before they ever see the field. IMO you need some jucos as well.
 
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Most of Dooley's juco's have three years to contribute also,which I think is better than most high school kids because they have had more time to mature.
 
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WhatInVolnation said:
I am not saying that you are wrong about Dooley's approach but I hope that this is not true. I would prefer for Dooley to get big name high school stars at DL positions whom UT could grow internally in the program rather than always relying on JUCO DL talent. I am always concerned with JUCOs because the bust rate seems fairly high, the learning curve is steep and it usually takes one year to adjust (like Nick Fairley), and, most importantly, the majority of impact players, including DL, come directly from high school. I really hope that Dooley gets the DL recruiting machine cranking to the point that JUCOs are rarely taken and only if they are definitively dominant. Whereas, at this point, I feel like we are taking so many JUCO DLs because of the lack of quality depth at these critical positions. From my perspective, Dooley is using JUCO DLs as stopgap measures until he is able to effectively grow DLs within the program. Of course, maybe I am entirely wrong and Dooley thinks that he can always get a few impact DLs from the JUCO ranks. Regardless, I am rooting for a shift to recruiting high school kids to grow internally. That's just my opinion, though.
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Right now we need the instant impact players on the front 7. 2 juco players will more than likely start on the line in McCullers & Sentimore.
 
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WhatInVolnation said:
I am not saying that you are wrong about Dooley's approach but I hope that this is not true. I would prefer for Dooley to get big name high school stars at DL positions whom UT could grow internally in the program rather than always relying on JUCO DL talent. I am always concerned with JUCOs because the bust rate seems fairly high, the learning curve is steep and it usually takes one year to adjust (like Nick Fairley), and, most importantly, the majority of impact players, including DL, come directly from high school. I really hope that Dooley gets the DL recruiting machine cranking to the point that JUCOs are rarely taken and only if they are definitively dominant. Whereas, at this point, I feel like we are taking so many JUCO DLs because of the lack of quality depth at these critical positions. From my perspective, Dooley is using JUCO DLs as stopgap measures until he is able to effectively grow DLs within the program. Of course, maybe I am entirely wrong and Dooley thinks that he can always get a few impact DLs from the JUCO ranks. Regardless, I am rooting for a shift to recruiting high school kids to grow internally. That's just my opinion, though.
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I would rather see Dooley get good high school de lineman.But so far he has not landed the really talented high school dt and out of necessity he has hit the juco ranks where they are ahead of most high school de linemen in the weight room.When the VOLS have a good winning season in 2012 more high school dt talent will come to UT.AND Dooley will not have to go to the juco ranks as much.Maby we can land Latham and another highly rated de linemen or two and then just an occasional juco guy or two unless they are highly recruited juco,s .it takes winning and this year should be the year the VOLS start winning.there are so many great players interested in the VOLS but are waiting to see how the season goes.If the vols get 9 wins not counting the bowl game they will probaly have to pass on some 4stars for you gazers.vonn bell and alvin kamara are Vols if 9 wins happen and so are a few others.and with a great year and if several juniors do not turn pro the vols will have a high preseason rank in 2013 and thwy will have 15 to 20 commits in june .things are getting better on rocky top.
 
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