'13 JUCO DT Ben Bradley (Auburn commmit)

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I4Jay said:
we're doing a lot of JUCO recruiting...

I dont know how to feel about that, an overabundance reeks of desperation by a coaching staff and usually leads to a lot of High expectations:Huge Misses.
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Please also notice half of them are from Hutchinson CC. Pipeline. I wouldn't look too far into it.
 
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Couch, 3rd rounder right now? Color me very surprised. I know he has time to get better, but he's going to have to excel in a new defense (I know he's played in the 3-4 before), and he's going to be moving around a lot as of right now. His performances do not warrant a 3rd round status right now. Better than Malik Jackson basically, give me a break.
 
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I dont really care where theyre from, a recruiting class filled with JUCo players is not a recipe for winning

Ron Prince found out the hard way at K State
 
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I4Jay said:
I dont really care where theyre from, a recruiting class filled with JUCo players is not a great recruiting class

Ron Prince found out the hard way at K State
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We've offered like 8 JuCos. We don't even know if they are all commitable. Toby's is, and that's all we really know outside of DeVondre. He may not even last in this class. Things will change a lot.
 
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so what exactly are you commenting on?

this is my original post
Originally Posted by I4Jay View Post
we're doing a lot of JUCO recruiting...

I dont know how to feel about that, an overabundance reeks of desperation by a coaching staff and usually leads to a lot of High expectations:Huge Misses.
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the worries are very valid
 
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I4Jay said:
I dont really care where theyre from, a recruiting class filled with JUCo players is not a recipe for winning

Ron Prince found out the hard way at K State
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I doubt we sign 19 JUCOs.

I agree with what you're saying though. Relying on JUCO help on a yearly basis isn't ideal.
 
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We need all the DT we can get we have zero proven DT. Hopefully Mt. Mcllures is it????
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IMO Dooley and Company are working their tails off recruiting positions of need such as LB and defensive linemen but for whatever reason aren't as successful as they'd like to be. As a result of this they are seeking JuCo help to supplant some of the needs and to serve as a 'stopgap' rather than put all of their 'eggs in one basket' so to speak and go yrs of missing at the position like Fulmer and Company. Neither Dooley nor Tennessee can afford it.

Yes, Historically, recruiting a large number of JuCos has proven to be unsuccessful over the long run but, at this point, it's by any means necessary.
 
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mreynoldsdvm said:
Mzterry mentioned this guy a LONG time ago, and said to remember his name. I believe he signed with Penn State out of HS...not sure why he went the JUCO route. I would guess grades, but that may be wrong. Looks like we found our nose guard for the 2013 class.
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Norcross is a feeding ground for athletes!!!!!!

I'm happy you remember the stuff I post....

I have to say it "Didn't I tell y'all to remeber his name?":):):loco::dance2::lolabove::rock:
 
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I'll take the juco D-Linemen. But I don't think we should be going after the WRs unless they are CP type of freaks. I'll take a juco DB but they need to be EEs and fast. I hope personally we top out at 4 juco signees. There's enough HS talent out there. All we have to do is win.
 
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Think KSU's location plays a major factor in them taking so many Jucos. They need to take JUCOs every year. Kansas is not generally considered
a hotbed for high school football talent. They also have to compete with some pretty good schools near them for whichever of that talent
that there is may have interest in them. Have been told the Jayhawk Conference teams are generally ranked at the top or near the top each year
as far as JUCOs go and that they consistently play quality ball and produce athletes every year. Kansas State would not be very smart
if they did not take advantage of that.

Think Prince definitely went off the deep end with the numbers he took that year.

One could make a point using KSU as to how JUCOs can sink or save a team. I think the difference is the coaching. Kansas State may be
the perfect example to show how important coaching evaluation and how a coach thinks a player will project to fit in their program is.

Bill Snyder resurrected the KSU program the first time (not overnight I realize) using JUCOs to a height no one
could imagine in that program. Switzer in some article I read said he felt it was the best coaching achievement in the last century or something.
Snyder retires - in comes Prince and everyone knows how that went. Now Snyder is back and guess what - he has them winning again.
2011 National and Big 12 coach of the year.

According to Rivals:

2009 Signed 4 JC/25 total Snyder's 1st year back (not sure if this was his class or not)
2010 Signed 7 JC/17 total
2011 Signed 9 JC/28 total
2012 Signed 8 JC/21 total

Realize staff's coaching ability is a bigger role in success but KSU under Snyder has thrived recruiting JUCO players to help them get back on track.
Prince not so much. Do not think any coach wants to rely on JUCOs all the time but in certain situations they are a great resource. Do not think
Tennessee will ever go to the extent of a KSU in the numbers of signees they tend to have - but if there are players they feel they can bring in
and fill a need so be it. Think the Tennessee coaches are closer in the realm of Snyder's evaluation abilities than Prince's thank goodness.

Sorry this post so long. Interesting topic to me. Hopefully the coaches may be hot on the trail of the next Corey Dillon to bring in with the Norcross boys.
 
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DelGriffith said:
Think KSU's location plays a major factor in them taking so many Jucos. They need to take JUCOs every year. Kansas is not generally considered
a hotbed for high school football talent. They also have to compete with some pretty good schools near them for whichever of that talent
that there is may have interest in them. Have been told the Jayhawk Conference teams are generally ranked at the top or near the top each year
as far as JUCOs go and that they consistently play quality ball and produce athletes every year. Kansas State would not be very smart
if they did not take advantage of that.

Think Prince definitely went off the deep end with the numbers he took that year.

One could make a point using KSU as to how JUCOs can sink or save a team. I think the difference is the coaching. Kansas State may be
the perfect example to show how important coaching evaluation and how a coach thinks a player will project to fit in their program is.

Bill Snyder resurrected the KSU program the first time (not overnight I realize) using JUCOs to a height no one
could imagine in that program. Switzer in some article I read said he felt it was the best coaching achievement in the last century or something.
Snyder retires - in comes Prince and everyone knows how that went. Now Snyder is back and guess what - he has them winning again.
2011 National and Big 12 coach of the year.

According to Rivals:

2009 Signed 4 JC/25 total Snyder's 1st year back (not sure if this was his class or not)
2010 Signed 7 JC/17 total
2011 Signed 9 JC/28 total
2012 Signed 8 JC/21 total

Realize staff's coaching ability is a bigger role in success but KSU under Snyder has thrived recruiting JUCO players to help them get back on track.
Prince not so much. Do not think any coach wants to rely on JUCOs all the time but in certain situations they are a great resource. Do not think
Tennessee will ever go to the extent of a KSU in the numbers of signees they tend to have - but if there are players they feel they can bring in
and fill a need so be it. Think the Tennessee coaches are closer in the realm of Snyder's evaluation abilities than Prince's thank goodness.

Sorry this post so long. Interesting topic to me. Hopefully the coaches may be hot on the trail of the next Corey Dillon to bring in with the Norcross boys.
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I hear what you're saying about Kansas not being a hotbed for high school talent. But what do you think we do here at UTk. We have to to Georgia, Kentucky, etc to find players.
 
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"I know a couple of things. I visited there in high school two times for camps. So I know a little bit about Tennessee," he said. "I really like it. The coaches that are up there are real cool coaches. I feel like it's a place I could get along nicely."

That's not his only connection to the Vols. Soon, former high school teammate Jason Croom will be a member of the Vols and Croom's encouraged his former teammate to give the Vols a closer look.

"He told me how fun it was and that I should come down there and chill with him and all that stuff," Bradley said.
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- VQ. Also states that he wants to narrow things down by the end of the Summer and make his final decision around midseason.
 
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I feel like we have some good student athlete recruiters right now. Croom and Sanders are both trying to bring in more talent, and Stokes and Cam Clear are working in Memphis
 
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USMC_0311 said:
I hear what you're saying about Kansas not being a hotbed for high school talent. But what do you think we do here at UTk. We have to to Georgia, Kentucky, etc to find players.
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Never said Tennessee did not have to go to other states for talent but I think Tennessee and the southern states
have more players than the Kansas region of the country high schools do (no offense Kansas). KSU does have
at least 8 JUCOs close by them bringing in a lot of good players into the state that they can go after.

My point was I can see why KSU tends to take a lot of JUCOs each year and their success with JUCO players
in their program I think is because of how well their staff evaluates them and think they will fit in their program.

Bradley sure would look good in orange.
 
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