'10 FL OT Chaz Green

#51
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Lord Vader said:
First of all, it was a joke. Secondly, he is not going to play in a junk offense. Florida will NEVER be a player in his recruitment...
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Come on. You're much better than that.

Over 3,000 yards pass and over 3,000 yards rushing is not a junk offense. It may not be popular in the NFL, but it's pretty damn potent in Division 1.
 
#52
#52
19SEP2009 said:
Come on. You're much better than that.

Over 3,000 yards pass and over 3,000 yards rushing is not a junk offense. It may not be popular in the NFL, but it's pretty damn potent in Division 1.
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It's a junk offense. Anything that relies solely on gadgets and trickery is junk. Scroggins wants to go to the league. He will not play in a place that doesn't prepare offensive players for the NFL...

Charlie Strong is very good at preparing defensive players for the next level, and Florida always has good defensive players get drafted. But the offense... not so much...
 
#53
#53
Lord Vader said:
It's a junk offense. Anything that relies solely on gadgets and trickery is junk. Scroggins wants to go to the league. He will not play in a place that doesn't prepare offensive players for the NFL...

Charlie Strong is very good at preparing defensive players for the next level, and Florida always has good defensive players get drafted. But the offense... not so much...
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And since Scroggins plays QB(offensive position) it would be idiotic for him to go to UF.
 
#54
#54
Lord Vader said:
It's a junk offense. Anything that relies solely on gadgets and trickery is junk. Scroggins wants to go to the league. He will not play in a place that doesn't prepare offensive players for the NFL...

Charlie Strong is very good at preparing defensive players for the next level, and Florida always has good defensive players get drafted. But the offense... not so much...
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The only offense you know under Meyer includes Tim Tebow and he is definitely going to the league. Not sure what will happen when he gets there, but if Pat White rates a pick in the first half of the second round, you know that Tebow is going in the first. And I've got a lot of confidence that Joh Brantley will be a first rounder as well when his time comes. Brantley can't possibly run the same set of plays that Tebow ran. The offense must evolve.
 
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govols182 said:
And since Scroggins plays QB(offensive position) it would be idiotic for him to go to UF.
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The Gators put 3 receivers in the last draft. Only 1 school had as many. Tebow will be a high pick and his sucessor at QB (Brantley) will be a high pick.

You can make a good argument that UF is not the place for a RB with NFL aspirations, but that's it.

Heck, the present UF QB is easily the most famous player in all of college football. Think of the potential glamour that comes with that.
 
#56
#56
You guys will never have the offensive success you had with Tebow Harvin. Book it. The offense may still be elite but not unstoppable as it was in the past.
 
#57
#57
19SEP2009 said:
The only offense you know under Meyer includes Tim Tebow and he is definitely going to the league. Not sure what will happen when he gets there, but if Pat White rates a pick in the first half of the second round, you know that Tebow is going in the first. And I've got a lot of confidence that Joh Brantley will be a first rounder as well when his time comes. Brantley can't possibly run the same set of plays that Tebow ran. The offense must evolve.
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Not necessarily, as Pat White is a WR and a Wildcat QB and is almost certainly better at both of those things than Tim Tebow.
 
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VKAman said:
Not necessarily, as Pat White is a WR and a Wildcat QB and is almost certainly better at both of those things than Tim Tebow.
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There can be no better wildcat QB than Tebow. At least none who is on the radar.

That's what he's going to do in the NFL. The same thing he did in his freshman year at UF. Wildcat QB for 30-50% of the snaps.
 
#59
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19SEP2009 said:
The Gators put 3 receivers in the last draft. Only 1 school had as many. Tebow will be a high pick and his sucessor at QB (Brantley) will be a high pick.

You can make a good argument that UF is not the place for a RB with NFL aspirations, but that's it.

Heck, the present UF QB is easily the most famous player in all of college football. Think of the potential glamour that comes with that.
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As far as the NFL goes, that means almost nothing. A good QB at Tennessee can get more than enough attention without the various drawbacks that playing in a spread brings.
 
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volguy0992 said:
You guys will never have the offensive success you had with Tebow Harvin. Book it. The offense may still be elite but not unstoppable as it was in the past.
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I'm not so worried about Harvin and I am about Tebow. Tebow is like having a 12th man.

But the thing is, you probably don't have much feel for our personnel so it's hard for you to imagine what we'll be capable of in 2010.

Oklahoma doesn't have Tebow or Harvin and they managed to put together a pretty potent attack.

I'm confident that we'll lead the SEC in scoring in 2010.
 
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19SEP2009 said:
There can be no better wildcat QB than Tebow. At least none who is on the radar.

That's what he's going to do in the NFL. The same thing he did in his freshman year at UF. Wildcat QB for 30-50% of the snaps.
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The vast majority of Wildcat QBs are much faster than Tebow. In the NFL, where defenses are much faster and where it will be much harder for Tebow to run over anyone, it would not surprise me at all for scouts to look for speed first in a Wildcat QB. All you need is the threat of a pass. They would take an okay passer with legit speed (White) over a better passer with okay speed (Tebow). Speed is king. Tebow is not a burner.
 
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VKAman said:
As far as the NFL goes, that means almost nothing. A good QB at Tennessee can get more than enough attention without the various drawbacks that playing in a spread brings.
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If Tebow is a first round pick, how do you think that effects our QB recruiting?

If Tebow and Brantley are back to back QB's who are first round picks, how does that effect our QB recruiting?
 
#63
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Tebow is going to get injured in the NFL. Has no speed. Strong as an ox. He will flop in the NFL.

Great college QB. Will go down as one of the best ever
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19SEP2009 said:
If Tebow is a first round pick, how do you think that effects our QB recruiting?

If Tebow and Brantley are back to back QB's who are first round picks, how does that effect our QB recruiting?
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Both of those are fairly large assumptions, but if recruits watch scouts pick Tebow apart for the offense he played in, if they watch him prove unworthy of that first round pick in the NFL the way Alex Smith did, and if they think about the fact that the best QB in Florida's recent history is only a fringe first-round pick, it may not work out all that well for you.
 
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VKAman said:
The vast majority of Wildcat QBs are much faster than Tebow. In the NFL, where defenses are much faster and where it will be much harder for Tebow to run over anyone, it would not surprise me at all for scouts to look for speed first in a Wildcat QB. All you need is the threat of a pass. They would take an okay passer with legit speed (White) over a better passer with okay speed (Tebow). Speed is king. Tebow is not a burner.
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Well, the wildcat is going to evolve with a guy like Tebow and there will be more passing plays.

Think about it. The wildcat is a simple shotgun snap to a RB. Imagine if the offense could run any play out of the same set !

The same diverse capabilities that have made Tebow effective in college ball will make him effective in the NFL. He just won't be able to run 15 times a game because of the incremental punishment. That's why he'll be iin a platoon situation.
 
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19SEP2009 said:
The Gators put 3 receivers in the last draft. Only 1 school had as many. Tebow will be a high pick and his sucessor at QB (Brantley) will be a high pick.

You can make a good argument that UF is not the place for a RB with NFL aspirations, but that's it.

Heck, the present UF QB is easily the most famous player in all of college football. Think of the potential glamour that comes with that.
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UF Offensive Players Stats last 5 years NFL:

1)Andre Caldwell: 11 rec 78 yds 0 TD's
2)Dallas Baker: 1 rec 6 yds 0 TD's (2 seasons)
3)Deshawn Wynn: 58 car 313 yds 5 TD's (2 seasons)
4)Chad Jackson: 14 rec 171 yds 3 TD's (3 seasons)
5)Ciatrick Faison: No Longer Playing

Yeah, his offense sends guys to the league to do nothing. Take a look at USC's offense and the players it's sent to the league.
 
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19SEP2009 said:
Well, the wildcat is going to evolve with a guy like Tebow and there will be more passing plays.

Think about it. The wildcat is a simple shotgun snap to a RB. Imagine if the offense could run any play out of the same set !

The same diverse capabilities that have made Tebow effective in college ball will make him effective in the NFL. He just won't be able to run 15 times a game because of the incremental punishment. That's why he'll be iin a platoon situation.
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So, like...the spread...good luck
 
#68
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VKAman said:
Both of those are fairly large assumptions, but if recruits watch scouts pick Tebow apart for the offense he played in, if they watch him prove unworthy of that first round pick in the NFL the way Alex Smith did, and if they think about the fact that the best QB in Florida's recent history is only a fringe first-round pick, it may not work out all that well for you.
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One would have to assume that the NFL scouts are not so stupid as to ignore the Alex Smith situation when they make future drafts. If they pick Tebow, they are going in with their eyes wide open.

And if it doesn't work out that well with Tebow, it will be a few years down the road. No one expects a rook to light it up in his first year.

If he does light it up, that's potent for UF. Because you can show the NFL pipeline with one of the most recognizable athletes in the country.
 
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#69
govols182 said:
UF Offensive Players Stats last 5 years NFL:

1)Andre Caldwell: 11 rec 78 yds 0 TD's
2)Dallas Baker: 1 rec 6 yds 0 TD's (2 seasons)
3)Deshawn Wynn: 58 car 313 yds 5 TD's (2 seasons)
4)Chad Jackson: 14 rec 171 yds 3 TD's (3 seasons)
5)Ciatrick Faison: No Longer Playing

Yeah, his offense sends guys to the league to do nothing. Take a look at USC's offense and the players it's sent to the league.
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Every single one of those guys was recruited prior to Meyer. Do you think Percy Harvin's numbers are going to look like that?
 
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#72
govols182 said:
1 guy to the 5 that haven't done anything only proves my point more.
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Tell me what UT QB's in the NFL have done post Manning. Is that any indicator of what a Kiffin era QB will do?

I don't think so. So why is the current UF system to be credited with the poor results of a prior UF regime?
 
#73
#73
19SEP2009 said:
One would have to assume that the NFL scouts are not so stupid as to ignore the Alex Smith situation when they make future drafts. If they pick Tebow, they are going in with their eyes wide open.

And if it doesn't work out that well with Tebow, it will be a few years down the road. No one expects a rook to light it up in his first year.

If he does light it up, that's potent for UF. Because you can show the NFL pipeline with one of the most recognizable athletes in the country.
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Then what makes you so sure that he's a first round pick?

And most people believe that Tebow won't be that great in the NFL. I'm sure ESPN will talk about Tebow's NFL prospects at length. SI writes articles on this topic. Recruits should at least get the general idea that the spread does not translate well to the NFL.
 
#75
#75
19SEP2009 said:
Tell me what UT QB's in the NFL have done post Manning. Is that any indicator of what a Kiffin era QB will do?

I don't think so. So why is the current UF system to be credited with the poor results of a prior UF regime?
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Well...the prior Urban Meyer players have managed to do even less...though the only real example is Alex Smith
 
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