'10 CA QB Jesse Scroggins (USC Solid Verbal)

Which school will Scroggins verbally commit to tomorrow?

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#6,001
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GAVol said:
That's the problem . . . every team that has ever used the shotgun is now labeled "Spread", but what Oklahoma is doing is light years away from what Florida and West Virginia are doing.
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Agreed, but I think even the offensive coordinators of those teams refer to their offenses as "spread".
 
#6,003
#6,003
Sabanocchio said:
Michigan under Lloyd Carr, Orgeron at Ole Miss, LSU, Oklahoma, Georgia. Those aren't all pro-style offenses?
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No. Michigan never offered Cam, Ole Miss had Brent Schaeffer, LSU never offered Cam, Oklahoma runs a hybrid/spread offense that Cam could play in, and I have already covered Georgia. Here's Cam's profile from HS for reference for those that are wondering....

Cameron Newton - Football Recruiting
 
#6,004
#6,004
Sabanocchio said:
Burden of proof is on you. You were the one that said he wasn't a fit.
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I have given plenty of readily available info about who has offered him, where he has played, and where he is currently playing as proof that he doesn't really want to play in a PS offense and probably doesn't translate good in one. What proof have you offered that he can??
 
#6,005
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
No. Michigan never offered Cam, Ole Miss had Brent Schaeffer, LSU never offered Cam, Oklahoma runs a hybrid/spread offense that Cam could play in, and I have already covered Georgia. Here's Cam's profile from HS for reference for those that are wondering....

Cameron Newton - Football Recruiting
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Yes, LSU did offer, Ole Miss offered too, not sure what Brent Schaeffer has to do with anything. Oklahoma is a pro-style system. It's not a spread.

http://florida.scout.com/a.z?s=168&p=8&c=1&nid=1896851

Go ahead and switch Michigan with Maryland and South Carolina. You are saying prostyle schools didn't offer other than UGA. You're wrong. Plain and simple.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I have given plenty of readily available info about who has offered him, where he has played, and where he is currently playing as proof that he doesn't really want to play in a PS offense and probably doesn't translate good in one. What proof have you offered that he can??
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Dude, again. You said he couldn't play in a pro-style system, not me. I don't need to prove it. You need to prove why he cannot and you haven't done it yet. You are the only one holding that opinion. Not coaches, not any other poster on this board. You don't honestly think you're right over all those other guys do you?
 
#6,007
#6,007
I noticed this little tidbit from one of the old Newton articles. This just shows how far a recruit can come, as far as rankings are concerned, in a year's time:

A few months ago, Newton was actually flying under the radar somewhat. He was considered to be a 3-star prospect with a big upside, but a little raw.
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Sounds a bit like Chase Rettig to me...
 
#6,008
#6,008
Sabanocchio said:
Yes, LSU did offer, Ole Miss offered too, not sure what Brent Schaeffer has to do with anything. Oklahoma is a pro-style system. It's not a spread.

Scout.com: Cameron Newton Profile

Go ahead and switch Michigan with Maryland and Ole Miss. You are saying prostyle schools didn't offer other than UGA. You're wrong. Plain and simple.
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You just quoted Scout, which doesn't even list his home state school offering. That's a little odd, don't you think. Besides, LSU took Jarrett Lee and he committed on 5/30/06. Cam committed to Florida almost 3 months later. BTW, Oklahoma and Texas run almost identical offenses that are derivatives of the spread.
 
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We can't prove anything right now until he actually does it.

What we do know though is that he's never done anything like it before. He doesn't have the skills required as of now to do it. Will he develop them? Who knows. But if he goes pro style, he's a big project. He's even a project if he goes dual threat, just because his passing isn't on the level it needs to be.
 
#6,010
#6,010
Sabanocchio said:
Dude, again. You said he couldn't play in a pro-style system, not me. I don't need to prove it. You need to prove why he cannot and you haven't done it yet. You are the only one holding that opinion. Not coaches, not any other poster on this board. You don't honestly think you're right over all those other guys do you?
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looks like the brentwood boy is nothing but bs.
 
#6,011
#6,011
Sabanocchio said:
Dude, again. You said he couldn't play in a pro-style system, not me. I don't need to prove it. You need to prove why he cannot and you haven't done it yet. You are the only one holding that opinion. Not coaches, not any other poster on this board. You don't honestly think you're right over all those other guys do you?
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So, your saying that you don't need to prove your side of the story?? That's rich. I have given the other side of the argument for him and you haven't given your side. Just trying to slam me for what I see and not trying to prove your point doesn't make your point look so good really.
 
#6,012
#6,012
just wondering if js goes to sc and we get rettig,lamison would be 2nd why would we take cam?
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#6,013
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
You just quoted Scout, which doesn't even list his home state school offering. That's a little odd, don't you think. Besides, LSU took Jarrett Lee and he committed on 5/30/06. Cam committed to Florida almost 3 months later. BTW, Oklahoma and Texas run almost identical offenses that are derivatives of the spread.
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You yourself said that you have to look at both sites to get a full list of who's offered. Isn't that what you do on your master list? Am I wrong? Oklahoma and Texas do not run identical offenses, Eric. They don't. You aren't making your point very well right now.

Orgeron at Ole Miss, LSU, Oklahoma, Georgia, Maryland, and South Carolina. Those are pro-style schools. Your theory is busted.
 
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#6,018
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Sabanocchio said:
You yourself said that you have to look at both sites to get a full list of who's offered. Isn't that what you do on your master list? Am I wrong? Oklahoma and Texas do not run identical offenses, Eric. They don't. You aren't making your point very well right now.
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The could differ, yes. I do list both, you are correct. Could LSU have offered him, sure. Did they, I don't think they did based on who they had committed in May, Jarrett Lee.
 
#6,020
#6,020
voltilifall said:
lamaison will be in the '09 class so he has no bearing on who we take in '10
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It kinda does. We basically took him for depth, which is what we would have been taking a 2nd QB in this class for if we didn't get him.

I don't see us taking 2 unless its one project type player (Newton, ..etc) and another guy like Scroggins or Rettig.
 
#6,022
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bburger991 said:
We can't prove anything right now until he actually does it.

What we do know though is that he's never done anything like it before. He doesn't have the skills required as of now to do it. Will he develop them? Who knows. But if he goes pro style, he's a big project. He's even a project if he goes dual threat, just because his passing isn't on the level it needs to be.
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I feel the presence of someone that may be wanting to slam you on this one. I'm not sure who, but he's in the room. :p
 
#6,023
#6,023
bburger991 said:
It kinda does. We basically took him for depth, which is what we would have been taking a 2nd QB in this class for if we didn't get him.

I don't see us taking 2 unless its one project type player (Newton, ..etc) and another guy like Scroggins or Rettig.
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i see us taking anyone that is willing to come and is good enough for an offer...there is never a sure thing at qb and the only way to be somewhat safe is to load up.
 
#6,024
#6,024
he has 3 years to play so does cam,plus rettig would have 4 i think plus crompton this year and sttephens to many sub par qbs,we couldnt go after elite in 2011 with that many qbs plus rozier so can i dont think cam will be offerd,plus lot less baggage without him
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