09 CA S Byron Moore - UT Commit

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#3,903
The Breakerboy said:
If you guys think Waggner is that good then we are in major trouble. We took 7 dbs which should let you know that our secondary sucked.
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Or that we only had a handful of DBs. Our secondary wasn't good, but the nonexistent pass rush didn't help. Waggner was also only a sophomore last year.
 
#3,904
#3,904
volinexile17 said:
Everybody loves the news guys best, but I doubt anyone beats out Waggner unless he gets hurt.
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Normally, you would have a solid point here. But Moore isn't just an ol' freshman coming in. He's one of the Southern Cal transfers, like Malik Jackson was. You may recall Malik Jackson not only taking over a starting job, but also becoming our best lineman.

If Moore doesn't beat out everybody in our current secondary, it's a disappointment.
 
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Incipient said:
Normally, you would have a solid point here. But Moore isn't just an ol' freshman coming in. He's one of the Southern Cal transfers, like Malik Jackson was. You may recall Malik Jackson not only taking over a starting job, but also becoming our best lineman.

If Moore doesn't beat out everybody in our current secondary, it's a disappointment.
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I don't think we'll have to worry about being disappointed
 
#3,906
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Incipient said:
Normally, you would have a solid point here. But Moore isn't just an ol' freshman coming in. He's one of the Southern Cal transfers, like Malik Jackson was. You may recall Malik Jackson not only taking over a starting job, but also becoming our best lineman.

If Moore doesn't beat out everybody in our current secondary, it's a disappointment.
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With JJ gone, Moore will play safety. Evans, Coleman, Gordon, or Oliver are going to be the only guys to potentially beat out Teague or Waggner at corner.
 
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#3,907
volinexile17 said:
With JJ gone, Moore will play safety. Evans, Coleman, Gordon, or Oliver are going to be the only guys to potentially beat out Teague or Waggner at corner.
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You forgot about Lanier, I imagine he will start. And I don't believe Evans will be a part of the team next year.
 
#3,908
#3,908
volinexile17 said:
With JJ gone, Moore will play safety. Evans, Coleman, Gordon, or Oliver are going to be the only guys to potentially beat out Teague or Waggner at corner.
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Okay, that's fair, although I'm personally quite high on Teague. I thought you were saying that no incoming players were going to beat Waggner out, which is wrong. But if you were saying that there aren't going to be multiple incomers starting and Waggner on the bench, that may be true.

VOLFREAK11 said:
You forgot about Lanier, I imagine he will start. And I don't believe Evans will be a part of the team next year.
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Evans has been reinstated. It was in the same article about Janzen leaving.
 
#3,911
#3,911
VOLFREAK11 said:
You forgot about Lanier, I imagine he will start. And I don't believe Evans will be a part of the team next year.
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Didn't forget him. I know a lot of people are high on Lanier, and he very well could be a good player for us, but I don't see him beating out Waggner or Teague. JUCO's are hit and miss, and LWS said he still has some classroom work to do.

I really like Teague's athleticism, and I think he starts for sure. The staff likes Waggner's experience as a safety and corner allowing them more flexibility on the field, which means he'll probably be the nickel if someone takes his spot. Like I said before, I think it's Gordon or Oliver...maybe Evans.
 
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SGMVols said:
Jackson isn't gone. He's just taking this semester off.
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That's the hope, but that means he'll have to settle whatever his personal business is and get a hardship from the NCAA. He'll also have to manage to stay in school all fall, which is no guarantee. And who knows what kind of shape he'll be in when he comes back.

He could make all the difference in our secondary, but I think the staff will prepare like he's not coming back. I wouldn't be shocked, but I bet it's a long shot for us to see him in orange again.
 
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volinexile17 said:
Didn't forget him. I know a lot of people are high on Lanier, and he very well could be a good player for us, but I don't see him beating out Waggner or Teague. JUCO's are hit and miss, and LWS said he still has some classroom work to do.

I really like Teague's athleticism, and I think he starts for sure. The staff likes Waggner's experience as a safety and corner allowing them more flexibility on the field, which means he'll probably be the nickel if someone takes his spot. Like I said before, I think it's Gordon or Oliver...maybe Evans.
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I highly doubt he could be any worse than Waggner jmo
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SGMVols said:
Jackson isn't gone. He's just taking this semester off.
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I hope you're right, but I'm not going to count on Jackson. I hope he gets things sorted out, and I'd love to have him back, but right now, we move forward as if we don't have him.
 
#3,917
#3,917
C-Teague
S-Moore
S-Brewer
C-*Lanier/Gordon

*If Lanier has a good Spring & Summer camp, if not, Gordon.

In rotation and 5th DB (4-2-5) Waggner.

Too, I anticipate Coleman, Evans, Oliver, Martin, and Randolph in the rotation. IMO.
 
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oskie_score said:
C-Teague
S-Moore
S-Brewer
C-*Lanier/Gordon

*If Lanier has a good Spring & Summer camp, if not, Gordon.

In rotation and 5th DB (4-2-5) Waggner.

Too, I anticipate Coleman, Evans, Oliver, Martin, and Randolph in the rotation. IMO.
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Everyone gets pumped about JUCOs because they're supposed "to help out now." But it rarely works that way. Newton, Fairley, and Cody are high profile examples that have been wildly successful, but our recent JUCOs have not.

Simms, Gooch, and Rivera all saw time. The only with a chance to have a useful career is Rivera - the other two got beat out by true freshman. And one was a lefty that never played center.

John Brown and Dave Clark never qualified.

Rae Sykes, Stephaun Raines, and Nick Lamaison provided nothing more than bodies to practice against.

I'd be willing to bet a look at all the teams in the SEC would show a similar trend.

I hope Lanier gets here in the summer and contributes immediately in the fall, but I'm skeptical. IIRC, Auburn dropped him and Ole Miss passed on him.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
He doesn't even break up any passes. He can't tackle and he doesn't really compete well either.
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Though it's partially a function of depth and lack of talent, I think the fact that Evans has started for two different staffs - including as a sophomore - shows that he competes.

In a couple years, our secondary will good enough to where a guy like Art Evans would be happy to play nickel. But right now, I think it's highly unlikely that any of the freshman will see the field more often than him. As long as he keeps paying for his car.
 
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volinexile17 said:
Everyone gets pumped about JUCOs because they're supposed "to help out now." But it rarely works that way. Newton, Fairley, and Cody are high profile examples that have been wildly successful, but our recent JUCOs have not.

Simms, Gooch, and Rivera all saw time. The only with a chance to have a useful career is Rivera - the other two got beat out by true freshman. And one was a lefty that never played center.

John Brown and Dave Clark never qualified.

Rae Sykes, Stephaun Raines, and Nick Lamaison provided nothing more than bodies to practice against.

I'd be willing to bet a look at all the teams in the SEC would show a similar trend.

I hope Lanier gets here in the summer and contributes immediately in the fall, but I'm skeptical. IIRC, Auburn dropped him and Ole Miss passed on him.
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Sure, JUCO players (like any other player) can be a bust, nothing is guaranteed, BUT I like our chances w/ Lanier and Moore (AND Couch). Bottom line...production, or lack thereof, on the field will provide the final answer.
 
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#3,924
volinexile17 said:
Though it's partially a function of depth and lack of talent, I think the fact that Evans has started for two different staffs - including as a sophomore - shows that he competes.

In a couple years, our secondary will good enough to where a guy like Art Evans would be happy to play nickel. But right now, I think it's highly unlikely that any of the freshman will see the field more often than him. As long as he keeps paying for his car.
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Sorry, but previously Evans starts were almost a matter of "by default". IMO. Not the case now, more experience and healthy (knock on wood) talent going into Spring and Summer.
Both he and Waggner are poor at tackling AND Evans has a bad tendency to be caught out of position way too often. IMO.
 
#3,925
#3,925
just had a thought: what if Waggner had played Juco, would he have had a stellar season like Moore did?
 
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