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CountVolcula said:
We were winning that game. If we were losing the whole game, I would say it would have made a difference

Yet, we somehow allowed another game winning drive at the very end

2 games we should have won if our D hadn't went soft in the last 2 minutes
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Ok then would you say Worley being injured and North going out early effected in a negative way our ability to score?

All things being the same with those two heathy we likely score more points so vandy's game winning drive would be a mute point.
 
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Since the usuals are chasing their tails with idiotic arguments I think its safe to say we have an awesome coaching staff that out coached a legend and brought home our best win since forever.
 
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tim said:
Since the usuals are chasing their tails with idiotic arguments I think its safe to say we have an awesome coaching staff that out coached a legend and brought home our best win since forever.
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6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other

Both sides are right and wrong at the same time

See, some think TBSIA is just that, TBSIA. What do they base this on? Nothing! It could be wanting it so bad that you don't want to look at little issues that could become bigger issues

Others think they are not TBSIA. Are they right? Hard to say. Most are tired of hearing talk of improvement but seeing the same results. Others base it on history. Others base it on issues that we saw with the last staff. Others will never like anyone

Still, its what we do. We won't always agree. Calling others stupid for not seeing eye to eye with others is just as stupid. We aren't always going to agree and I'm glad
 
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CountVolcula said:
6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other

Both sides are right and wrong at the same time

See, some think TBSIA is just that, TBSIA. What do they base this on? Nothing! It could be wanting it so bad that you don't want to look at little issues that could become bigger issues

Others think they are not TBSIA. Are they right? Hard to say. Most are tired of hearing talk of improvement but seeing the same results. Others base it on history. Others base it on issues that we saw with the last staff. Others will never like anyone

Still, its what we do. We won't always agree. Calling others stupid for not seeing eye to eye with others is just as stupid. We aren't always going to agree and I'm glad
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I said idiotic arguments not idiots. And I agree, but Im here because its the usual characters here always poo pooing anything positive and over playing the negative. Most of us agree that the coaches had good games and bad games, but until our roster is on an even plane and our coaches have had more than 1 season I will stand with the team.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Well enough to have the lead

Plus, if Spurrier hadn't burned those two timeouts trying to draw us offsides, we might be talking about a loss. See, I can assume to
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Wrong. Didn't keep it out of reach. 7 for 21 is good? UT's defense played him well all game.

I'm not assuming anything. Shaw had a bad game. You're the one making stupid assumptions to discount the coaching job UT had for that game. Typical from you.
 
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LotteryPick said:
Wrong. Didn't keep it out of reach. 7 for 21 is good? UT's defense played him well all game.

I'm not assuming anything. Shaw had a bad game. You're the one making stupid assumptions to discount the coaching job UT had for that game. Typical from you.
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I agree

It was an awesome display of offensive coaching
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
No. It really isn't. If you honestly dont believe if we had Worley and North we wouldn't have scored at least 3 more points then I don't know what to tell you.

It is assuming a lot that Shaw would have undoubtedly led USC on a game winning drive against a D who played their best game of the year by far and had already picked off Shaw once.
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he didn't have to lead them to victory.. they were already winning. he just had to play keep away.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Why are we arguing about the USCe game? Cant we just be glad we upset them!
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No. Some people would rather we lost that game I think. Pathetic. "Well if this this and this happened we wouldn't have even won" Well guess what guys it did happen and we did win. Thats football. Teams get lucky and win. Look at Auburn. How many Auburn fans are saying "well Malzahn isn't a good coach and we will lose to FSU because we just got lucky against UGA and Bama."

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts...
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
No. Some people would rather we lost that game I think. Pathetic. "Well if this this and this happened we wouldn't have even won" Well guess what guys it did happen and we did win. Thats football. Teams get lucky and win. Look at Auburn. How many Auburn fans are saying "well Malzahn isn't a good coach and we will lose to FSU because we just got lucky against UGA and Bama."

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts...
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the same crew that complains like you, are the same ones that say "if north doesn't get hurt, we beat Vandy or if Peterman doesn't start vs Florida we'd have beaten them."

you are the one making fools of yourselves.
 
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Wylo said:
the same crew that complains like you, are the same ones that say "if north doesn't get hurt, we beat Vandy or if Peterman doesn't start vs Florida we'd have beaten them."

you are the one making fools of yourselves.
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How so? Why do you not think If North doesn't get hurt we beat Vandy? Why do you think playing Worley the whole game wouldn't have changed the outcome.

The difference is I'm arguing what COULD have happened. You are arguing against something that did happen.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
How so? Why do you not think If North doesn't get hurt we beat Vandy? Why do you think playing Worley the whole game wouldn't have changed the outcome.

The differences I'm arguing what COULD have happened. You are arguing against something that did happen.
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Not really.. I'm not arguing against a great win. Just pointing out that the same savior you praise let the Vandy debacle happen and had other questionable decisions.
 
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Wylo said:
Not really.. I'm not arguing against a great win. Just pointing out that the same savior you praise let the Vandy debacle happen and had other questionable decisions.
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Yes. But you are completely ignoring the fact that Worley and North were injured and act as if having them would have changed nothing. I'm not saying we definitely would have won because that would be stupid. All I'm saying is that having those two players would have most likely had an effect on the outcome of those games.
 
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Wylo said:
Yet you fail to mention Shaw going out for crunch time for USCe...

Oh wait, that doesn't matter to you guys.
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Shaw played arguably his worst game of the season. With the exception of 1 long td pass and a making a few plays with his legs, UT had him contained mostly all day.
 
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KBVol said:
Shaw played arguably his worst game of the season. With the exception of 1 long td pass and a making a few plays with his legs, UT had him contained mostly all day.
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........and with the exception of 1 miracle catch by our WR, UT wasn't anywhere near kicking that winning fg.

there is two sides to this.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Yes. But you are completely ignoring the fact that Worley and North were injured and act as if having them would have changed nothing. I'm not saying we definitely would have won because that would be stupid. All I'm saying is that having those two players would have most likely had an effect on the outcome of those games.
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didn't seem to click in our awesome coaches head that Vandy lost those db's. any coach worth a damn goes after them, with or without North.

So if you argue about our missing players, what about theirs?
 
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Wylo said:
didn't seem to click in our awesome coaches head that Vandy lost those db's. any coach worth a damn goes after them, with or without North.

So if you argue about our missing players, what about theirs?
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Attack them with who, exactly?

Whether Dobbs injured his thumb or not, he was still struggling mightily.
 
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Wylo said:
didn't seem to click in our awesome coaches head that Vandy lost those db's. any coach worth a damn goes after them, with or without North.

So if you argue about our missing players, what about theirs?
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The other WRs has some big drops in that game. Do you not remember the ball literally hitting a couple of our WRs in the hands but they still didn't make the catch?
 
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Wylo said:
........and with the exception of 1 miracle catch by our WR, UT wasn't anywhere near kicking that winning fg.

there is two sides to this.
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But HE DID catch it, and Shaw WAS BOTTLED UP most all the game by UT.

I got no problem acknowledging the failures of this team, this staff in losses, especially the bad loss to Vandy.... it was inexcusable. I also got no problem praising them for stepping up and beating what proved to be an 11-2 team and one of the top teams in the country. What other 2 sides are there? I just don't understand the need to belittle or discount a great win by bringing up the bad loss.
 
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volfan_89 said:
The other WRs has some big drops in that game. Do you not remember the ball literally hitting a couple of our WRs in the hands but they still didn't make the catch?
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I think Wylo is going just a little too far but he's right about one thing. The way to have won that game was to stay aggressive. There was a lot of Fulmer in that loss.
 
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KBVol said:
But HE DID catch it, and Shaw WAS BOTTLED UP most all the game by UT.

I got no problem acknowledging the failures of this team, this staff in losses, especially the bad loss to Vandy.... it was inexcusable. I also got no problem praising them for stepping up and beating what proved to be an 11-2 team and one of the top teams in the country. What other 2 sides are there? I just don't understand the need to belittle or discount a great win by bringing up the bad loss.
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Good post. We may disagree on details and degree but this is pretty much what I've been arguing for... plus that they should have been closer in a couple of the blowouts.
 
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