'14 TN WR Josh Malone (UT commit 12/4/13)

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SeanJean said:
Right, and technically that is true, but you are suggesting he isn't as good as advertised, which I think is pretty silly to conclude at this point.
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I'm not really suggesting anything. He simply hasn't done anything this year. Yes their DB's are a weakness, but it may not mean anything as far as the future goes for him. He could end up a player or a bust.
 
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WallyBalls said:
To say nothing of the absolute trash squads Bray was playing in his freshman starts.
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This. The Memphis and Ole Miss squads were pretty damn bad that year. Anyone remember the 80 yd TD to Hunter against Ole Miss. The one where Bray threw a slant straight to the Miss LB, it bounced off his face, Hunter grabs it and runs 80 yds. That read and throw we're every bit as bad if not worse than Dobbs against Vandy. I'm not saying Dobbs is Bray, he's not. But Bray wasn't anywhere near as good as his stats were as a freshman.
 
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Tux said:
Don't even begin to put Dobbs in the same category of passing talent as Bray. Like him or not, he could make any throw as a freshman. It took Manning 3-4 years to be able to make some of the throws that Bray made as a freshman.
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1) Nobody said he could make all the throws Bray could. But don't compare Mr. Skeleton statue Bray to Dobbs and completely dismiss Dobb's Mobility. The Johnny Football spin move Dobbs made before taking off for a big gain against Vandy....Bray would have been dead in the water on that play.

2) The comment you just made regarding Bray and Peyton Manning might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No offense, I just know no other way to put it.
 
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RichRollin said:
This. The Memphis and Ole Miss squads were pretty damn bad that year. Anyone remember the 80 yd TD to Hunter against Ole Miss. The one where Bray threw a slant straight to the Miss LB, it bounced off his face, Hunter grabs it and runs 80 yds. That read and throw we're every bit as bad if not worse than Dobbs against Vandy. I'm not saying Dobbs is Bray, he's not. But Bray wasn't anywhere near as good as his stats were as a freshman.
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I agree. Plus, IMO Dooley flat out inherited a much better roster than Jones did. I'm not saying he inherited a loaded roster by any means but it was definitely better than the one he left behind for Jones.
 
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RichRollin said:
1) Nobody said he could make all the throws Bray could. But don't compare Mr. Skeleton statue Bray to Dobbs and completely dismiss Dobb's Mobility. The Johnny Football spin move Dobbs made before taking off for a big gain against Vandy....Bray would have been dead in the water on that play.

2) The comment you just made regarding Bray and Peyton Manning might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No offense, I just know no other way to put it.
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Dobbs mobility does not mean squat in the scheme of things for a QB. It sure did not win us any football games.

If a QB can't throw the ball, he might as well not be out there.

That is a fact that Manning could not make many of the throws that ray could, until his final season at UT. Ask the guys who have been around both. Nothing stupid about fact.
 
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The deep fade and deep outs were throws that Manning could not make until late in his collegiate career.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
Riley is still the QB of the future IMO. This spring will be very interesting. It's going to be a wide open battle between all three QB's. I like Dobbs and he definitely has skills and potential but from what you hear from people close to the staff who are around the program a lot it sure seems like they feel Riley has by far the most talent and ability.
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I do not understand why this is so hard for some people to comprehend. It was like fans felt that the only way to support Dobbs when he became the starter was to acknowledge him as the best QB/QB prospect on the roster. It was dumb. Ferguson was injured and not available when we had injuries to Worldy and Peterman. It has recently been acknowledged that he had a small fracture in his leg the week of the Alabama game. Ferguson has shown everyone close to the program that he has tremendous potential. I look forward to seeing how it all plays out over the spring.
 
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LotteryPick said:
Don't tell the FF that. Their memory sucks, apparently.
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You look at it from top to bottom and there is no comparison. The only quality unit left behind this year on paper was the Oline. Dline was average and every other position was absolutely terrible. QB, RB, TE, WR, DB, LB...Every single one of those units Jones inherited was awful...You could argue all six of those latter units was in the bottom 3 among the SEC schools.

Plus Butch didn't have any quality mid-termers left behind for him to inherit like Dooley did thanks to Kiffin. He would not have landed 1 of those guys had they not been locked in to Tennessee when he got the job.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
Riley is still the QB of the future IMO. This spring will be very interesting. It's going to be a wide open battle between all three QB's. I like Dobbs and he definitely has skills and potential but from what you hear from people close to the staff who are around the program a lot it sure seems like they feel Riley has by far the most talent and ability.
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Same thing I hear, probably from different sources.
 
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Tux said:
The deep fade and deep outs were throws that Manning could not make until late in his collegiate career.
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One of Manning's first throws, and it may have been his first, was a deep out route thrown across the field with NFL type velocity.
 
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Tux said:
Dobbs mobility does not mean squat in the scheme of things for a QB. It sure did not win us any football games.

If a QB can't throw the ball, he might as well not be out there.

That is a fact that Manning could not make many of the throws that ray could, until his final season at UT. Ask the guys who have been around both. Nothing stupid about fact.
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So basically Manning could have been a top 5 pick after his JR year because he couldn't make NFL throws? Lol, sounds legit.

And your basing Bray's ability off of arm strength alone and completely dismissing his lack of mechanics....which in turn plagued him regularly when making the throws you speak of. Regularly his balls would sail or completely miss the mark because of his footwork. When the pressure was in Bray's face , his mechanics went to s***. Manning is one of the best QBs ever. To even insinuate Bray was better than Manning is laughable at best. You should insert a bar of soap in your mouth.
 
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I'd argue the OL was every bit as bad as any of the other units, despite the mysterious hype that surrounded them all season. I've never seen so many off-tackle runs get stopped for a 3 yard loss.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
I agree. Plus, IMO Dooley flat out inherited a much better roster than Jones did. I'm not saying he inherited a loaded roster by any means but it was definitely better than the one he left behind for Jones.
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Dissertation and thesis by sjt18 on why Jones' inherited roster was 10x better than Dooley's in 3...2...1...
 
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SeanJean said:
I'd argue the OL was every bit as bad as any of the other units, despite the mysterious hype that surrounded them all season. I've never seen so many off-tackle runs get stopped for a 3 yard loss.
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And I agree that is with the Oline being considerably overhyped heading into the season. With all that said there is no doubt the TE play made the Oline look worse than it probably was in the run game. The TE had to have graded out at less than 10% this year on run blocking assignments. I've never seen a guy at that position get brutalized so badly week after week after week.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
And I agree that is with the Oline being considerably overhyped heading into the season. With all that said there is no doubt the TE play made the Oline look worse than it probably was in the run game. The TE had to have graded out at less than 10% this year on run blocking assignments. I've never seen a guy at that position get brutalized so badly week after week after week.
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That's a good point. That being said, even with solid TE play last year and the year before, the O-line consistently struggled to get any push off the line of scrimmage or open up any holes, even against lesser opponents. I know Neal isn't Adrian Peterson, but it's tough to do much of anything when you're fighting for YAC immediately after getting the handoff almost every play. Outside of pass protection for Bray (who was very good at getting rid of the ball quickly btw) I never understood the praise for an O-line who consistently was part of some of the worst running attacks in UT history.
 
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Lolol....if Bray and Manning came in as freshman at the same time, Bray would be holding clipboards. That's all I've got, I'm done with this rediculously insane argument.
 
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RichRollin said:
Lolol....if Bray and Manning came in as freshman at the same time, Bray would be holding clipboards. That's all I've got, I'm done with this rediculously insane argument.
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He said Bray had a stronger arm than Manning as a freshman. He did. That's not even worth arguing. No one said he was a better QB. That is of course false. Calm down my man.
 
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and back to Malone in 3, 2, 1...This coaching staff has really impressed me with their ability to be genuine and real with these players. Most every recruit, even the ones not coming here or really want to, talk about how they feel the family atmosphere here with this staff. Add that to the way the Hurd family is reaching out, our current classes bond, and the our facilities are second to none.
It was stated earlier that Malone's mentor is a former Vol. I'm sure he is not pushing him to us by any means, but I'm sure he's told him once or twice about how great it was to be a Tennessee Vol. I'm not saying that Malone comes here for sure, but I like our odds. This staff will definitely be there for the Malone family, if there are any doubts left. Sounds like he already had his mind made up, before the Clemson visit. Hopefully, that means Malone ends up a Vol! Would sure be nice watching him do plenty of these in our beautiful checkerboard end zones! :td::td::td:
 
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