'14 GA RB Treyvon Paulk (UT Signee 2/5/14)

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Madkins8 said:
If he enrolls, then he isn't a grayshirt. We also don't know what he was offered. It has been the perception since day 1 that he was likely a GS candidate. That wasn't just a rumor.
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You don't know what you're talking about. we'd be at a severe disadvantage offering gray shirts to elite talents while other sec teams are offering scholly's.
 
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Eligibility clock starts as soon as you enroll in college.

Not sure how it works with a CC, but I assume it's the same as a JUCO.
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It starts with full-time enrollment, which (I think) is 12 credit hours.

Trying to find out about community college...I think you are right and it will be same as JUCO. Alot of JUCO schools are community colleges these days.
 
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I don't have a prob with it if it's offered and accepted, but we don't have to be like ala or Lsu to win. I can't berate them the last few years for the way they've treated injured or lower ranked players when they do better than expected on the recruiting trail, gray shirt them or hang them out to dry, then turn around and condone such practices for my team. You have what maybe 2 or 3 per year max get injured. Just honor the offer and future recruits would see that, plus it doesn't make us look like ruthless greedy bastards recruiting over or dropping every good prospect with an injury. I believe it would help us more long term rather than opening up an additional spot short term.
 
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StoVol said:
I don't have a prob with it if it's offered and accepted, but we don't have to be like ala or Lsu to win. I can't berate them the last few years for the way they've treated injured or lower ranked players when they do better than expected on the recruiting trail, gray shirt them or hang them out to dry, then turn around and condone such practices for my team. You have what maybe 2 or 3 per year max get injured. Just honor the offer and future recruits would see that, plus it doesn't make us look like ruthless greedy bastards recruiting over or dropping every good prospect with an injury. I believe it would help us more long term rather than opening up an additional spot short term.
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I think there are some in this class that are probably not going to be a commit come NSD and I think the staff already has a good idea who those recruits are. I would let them make their decision while staff still recruits other players. I am sure their are at least one recruit that gray shirts (Dews) so we will have some spots open to get a few more recruits we need.
 
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I don't have a prob with it if it's offered and accepted, but we don't have to be like ala or Lsu to win. I can't berate them the last few years for the way they've treated injured or lower ranked players when they do better than expected on the recruiting trail, gray shirt them or hang them out to dry, then turn around and condone such practices for my team. You have what maybe 2 or 3 per year max get injured. Just honor the offer and future recruits would see that, plus it doesn't make us look like ruthless greedy bastards recruiting over or dropping every good prospect with an injury. I believe it would help us more long term rather than opening up an additional spot short term.
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I agree with most of that. Any decision to greyshirt IN THIS CASE should be Paulk's. Explain the benefits to greyshirting and let he and his family make the decision.

However, in a case of a more severe injury, with a poor prognosis, I would support pulling a scholarship offer. If a kid is never going to fully recover...you have to be willing to let them go.
 
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VirginiaCoach said:
I agree with most of that. Any decision to greyshirt IN THIS CASE should be Paulk's. Explain the benefits to greyshirting and let he and his family make the decision.

However, in a case of a more severe injury, with a poor prognosis, I would support pulling a scholarship offer. If a kid is never going to fully recover...you have to be willing to let them go.
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Disagree, what it would cost you in the short term, a scholly or two, would be more than made up for in the living rooms of parents and high school coaches all across the nation, where TN has to work harder to pull talent. A good reputation is more important IMO considering its effect long term
 
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There has to be some value in getting him on campus to rehab, train, study the playbook, and work out with the team. Hopefully he can get the scholarship and a medical redshirt. When does physical therapy start after ACL surgery?
 
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Disagree, what it would cost you in the short term, a scholly or two, would be more than made up for in the living rooms of parents and high school coaches all across the nation, where TN has to work harder to pull talent. A good reputation is more important IMO considering its effect long term
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As a high school coach, speaking only for myself, I would not expect a school to honor a scholarship on a kid that could never play again.

Realistic scenario: Let's say I am a D-1 coach and make a practice of honoring verbal commitments on players that have catastrophic injuries. I honor 2 a year for 4 years in a row and have 8 kids out of 85 scholarships. That would be a program killer.

Realistic scenario: Kid is in a car accident and becomes a paraplegic am I supposed to honor an athletic scholarship for a young man or woman that can never walk AND may not have even signed a letter or intent to my school anyway?
 
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BigOrangeD said:
There has to be some value in getting him on campus to rehab, train, study the playbook, and work out with the team. Hopefully he can get the scholarship and a medical redshirt. When does physical therapy start after ACL surgery?
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Mine started 2 hours after I got out of recovery.
 
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There has to be some value in getting him on campus to rehab, train, study the playbook, and work out with the team. Hopefully he can get the scholarship and a medical redshirt. When does physical therapy start after ACL surgery?
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Immediately.
 
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I haven't been reading a lot of the posts in here, but there seems to be way too much worrying. ACL tears are extremely common. The surgery is very common, becoming routine. The proper medicinal treatment is there, and it works. The biggest thing for Paulk is rehab and mental toughness (to mentally "get over" the injury), both of which depend on Paulk's commitment.
 
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VirginiaCoach said:
As a high school coach, speaking only for myself, I would not expect a school to honor a scholarship on a kid that could never play again.

Realistic scenario: Let's say I am a D-1 coach and make a practice of honoring verbal commitments on players that have catastrophic injuries. I honor 2 a year for 4 years in a row and have 8 kids out of 85 scholarships. That would be a program killer.

Realistic scenario: Kid is in a car accident and becomes a paraplegic am I supposed to honor an athletic scholarship for a young man or woman that can never walk AND may not have even signed a letter or intent to my school anyway?
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I thought there were exceptions for catastrophic or career-ending injuries...essentially, the kid maintains the scholarship but the team gets a break on the scholarship limits.

I might be wrong, but Saban's use of this exception is one of the criticisms directed his way, eh?
 
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If it's an ACL injury, honor the scholarship and possibly redshirt him next year, No reason not to honor his scholarship. Lane and Hurd get the brunt of the carries and go from there.
 
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VirginiaCoach said:
As a high school coach, speaking only for myself, I would not expect a school to honor a scholarship on a kid that could never play again.

Realistic scenario: Let's say I am a D-1 coach and make a practice of honoring verbal commitments on players that have catastrophic injuries. I honor 2 a year for 4 years in a row and have 8 kids out of 85 scholarships. That would be a program killer.

Realistic scenario: Kid is in a car accident and becomes a paraplegic am I supposed to honor an athletic scholarship for a young man or woman that can never walk AND may not have even signed a letter or intent to my school anyway?
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I think they have medical scholarships for this. Alabama garnered a lot of fame for using medicals to ditch players from their existing roster to make room for the new and improved. I think you can probably do the same for a kid who gets permanently taken out of the game before he ever actually enrolls. I don't know for sure but the rules aren't designed to make you an ogre; they're designed to level the playing field.
 
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LynxVol said:
I haven't been reading a lot of the posts in here, but there seems to be way too much worrying. ACL tears are extremely common. The surgery is very common, becoming routine. The proper medicinal treatment is there, and it works. The biggest thing for Paulk is rehab and mental toughness (to mentally "get over" the injury), both of which depend on Paulk's commitment.
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Marlin Lane hasn't been anywhere close to the same player. JH11 wasn't either...
 
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allvol_12 said:
Marlin Lane hasn't been anywhere close to the same player. JH11 wasn't either...
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pretty difficult thing to say considering all we had to go on with Lane was high school film...which is no guarantee of how a player will perform in college. We don't really know if Lane is close to the same player or not.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
There has to be some value in getting him on campus to rehab, train, study the playbook, and work out with the team. Hopefully he can get the scholarship and a medical redshirt. When does physical therapy start after ACL surgery?
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Yep, and it's probably what will happen too.
 
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Catbone said:
Let's see. Next year we will have Lane, Hurd, and Paulk who is out for a while. I say get one more back if you can.
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Definitely need one more, preferably a JUCO like Judd. Hurd will be coming off shoulder injury, Paulk wont be playing for UT inext season if they do Grey Shirt him and Lane has been injury prone. Definitely need a JUCO guy or a possible college ready FR.
 
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StoVol said:
It puts a financial burden on the family if he enrolls in classes so no it doesn't. Plus you put the young man out of sync with his supposed brothers he's helped recruit, and delay the start of his education. I wouldn't want to be put in limbo for six months. We offered him a 2014 scholarship , not a 2015 gray shirt
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Not unless he walks on. He really only misses a few months with the class he was recruited for. Definitely doesnt throw him out of sync and it benefits him and UT. Still allows him to have a RS available if he ever needs . Really is a win, win.
 
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