Crootin Forum: Football Talk VI

[babyavi]

Most predictions last week had UT on upset watch and only a 10-12 point favorite over WKU. We saw how that worked out.

That is in no way is applicable to this situation . Oregon vs WKU? Shades of orange coming off ...

 

[volinexile17]

If the NCAA vacates our 2012 wins, Butch could get UT its 800th win again. That would be fun.

 

[BaldBiker]

If the NCAA vacates our 2012 wins, Butch could UT its 800th win again. That would be fun.

You are definiately a glass half full guy. I like it.

 

[UTMark]

So how does couch pay back 1350 with no job and without taking more money ?

Student loan? Pell Grant? It's a good question.

 

[Wilson27]

Student loan? Pell Grant? It's a good question.

Take it IN CASH and pay it back

 

[Nashvegas31]

So how does couch pay back 1350 with no job and without taking more money ?

It's called working on campus and all money goes to charity.

 

[babyavi]

It's called working on campus and all money goes to charity.

So he is a student athlete , a father , and now has to get a job ? Unlikely .

 

[babyavi]

Student loan? Pell Grant? It's a good question.

I mean isn't that fishy to get a pell loan for that exact amount? Ha ha , what a cluster .

 

[Glitch]

So he is a student athlete , a father , and now has to get a job ? Unlikely .

It's tough to me a man sometimes. Just got to suck it up, face your screw up, and make it right. It shouldn't take that long to earn $1350. Especially if he is supended from the team unitl he pays it back.

 

[kw3953]

If I was a betting man, I would put a 1000 down that we cover the spread.

Perhaps Couch should put $675 down. Then we can move on from this issue to a gambling scandal.

 

[volssam]

Perhaps Couch should put $675 down. Then we can move on from this issue to a gambling scandal.

Pete Rose nods in approval

 

[Wilson27]

Interesting read
The NFL

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

I disagree 100%. If he took it, make him pay it back to some charity, own up to it and apologize for his mistake, suspend him for a couple games, then give him another chance. As far as we know, Mo does not have a history getting into trouble.

More reasonable scenario and better way to teach a lesson imo


Kicking him off the team would be like disowning your kid for breaking a window while throwing a baseball in the house.

Keep Mo on the team and show him the tough love, that is the way true family does it.

 

[Pacer92]

Pete Rose nods in approval[/]

Hell to the yeah!!

- Art Schlichter

 

[ChattaTNVol]

More reasonable scenario and better way to teach a lesson imo


Kicking him off the team would be like disowning your kid for breaking a window while throwing a baseball in the house.

Keep Mo on the team and show him the tough love, that is the way true family does it.

I think you can bet that a lot of the guys on the team will be watching how this situation is handled because no matter what else is said, he's their teammate and friend. I'm optimistic that our staff is not as reactionary and heartless as some of the holier than mo posters we have on VN. I vote for in-school detention. Maybe say, the film room?

 

[OddFuture]

"You ain't doing it right if you can't control the outcome of the games you bet on"
-Tim Donaghy

 

[SamRebel35]

Interesting read
The NFL

Wow! Great article. However, understanding the article makes me think that even if we had a defense of 5* All-Americans, we would still be at a major disadvantage this Saturday against Oregon. We'll see Saturday how all this gap talk works out.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Wow! Great article. However, understanding the article makes me think that even if we had a defense of 5* All-Americans, we would still be at a major disadvantage this Saturday against Oregon. We'll see Saturday how all this gap talk works out.

I read the article earlier this AM and my conclusion was the success of the defense is predicated on being disciplined in individual assignments even if it looks like the play is passing you by. You have to trust your teammates in their assignments. Once the QB crosses the line of scrimmage it's different; then it's pursuit and leverage.

To your point, I thought it was noteworthy that the article specifically suggested there were no NFL caliber players on the Stanford defense that shut down Kelly's offense.

Total number of Stanford defensive players drafted in 2013: zero, same as the year before. So why did so many NFL coaches seek out Mason for advice?

Stanford’s players might not rival Alabama’s in terms of athleticism, but they execute a pro-style, two-gapping 3-4 defense and have football IQs on par with NFL veterans who are trying to adapt to the read-option.

But this is the money part:

Mason depicts a solution on the whiteboard, showing the unblocked end first going upfield, at no one, and then squeezing down on the running back once he gets the ball. The idea is to let the quarterback make a decision without giving him all the information he wants.

“The quarterback wants a fast read all the time,” Mason says. “If you don’t give him a fast read, then things start to break down and he starts to panic because everything is predicated on him being able to make a fast read. Especially in the NFL, because they don’t want to get that guy hit. If you come up the field and then try to squeeze, it’s now hard on the quarterback.”

* * *

A slow read forces the quarterback to think more. In football, thinking equals slow, and slow equals disaster. Slowing down the read won’t just stop the quarterback, it’s also important in wrapping up the running back.

 

[BaldBiker]

Wouldn't surprise me to find out Butch has had Stanford on speed dial since December.

 

[SamRebel35]

I read the article earlier this AM and my conclusion was the success of the defense is predicated on being disciplined in individual assignments even if it looks like the play is passing you by. You have to trust your teammates in their assignments. Once the QB crosses the line of scrimmage it's different; then it's pursuit and leverage.

To your point, I thought it was noteworthy that the article specifically suggested there were no NFL caliber players on the Stanford defense that shut down Kelly's offense.



But this is the money part:

Being a 4-3 single gap defense, though, means that by default we will always be one gap shy from fully defending the option before the ball is even snapped. Add in the fact that we have extreme youth on the corners and a slow middle linebacker, and it starts to become an overwhelming disadvantage. We will see though. Maybe the unblocked end has been properly coached and that will help slow the read down so the defense can adjust on the fly. We will see Saturday.

 

[jjay2518]

Being a 4-3 single gap defense, though, means that by default we will always be one gap shy from fully defending the option before the ball is even snapped. Add in the fact that we have extreme youth on the corners and a slow middle linebacker, and it starts to become an overwhelming disadvantage. We will see though. Maybe the unblocked end has been properly coached and that will help slow the read down so the defense can adjust on the fly. We will see Saturday.

Hopefully the coaches have drilled this into Jacques Smith. In the past rush discipline hasn't exactly been his strong suit.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Being a 4-3 single gap defense, though, means that by default we will always be one gap shy from fully defending the option before the ball is even snapped. Add in the fact that we have extreme youth on the corners and a slow middle linebacker, and it starts to become an overwhelming disadvantage. We will see though. Maybe the unblocked end has been properly coached and that will help slow the read down so the defense can adjust on the fly. We will see Saturday.

I don't know if we'll be in our base defense this week.

Evan Woodbery did a snap by snap count of our formation in the AP game but I haven't seen anything from him on the WKU game. Anyway this is what he found:

Here are the number of snaps for each unit on Saturday.

4 DL, 3 LB, 4 DB — 8 plays

4 DL, 2 LB, 5 DB — 41 plays

3 DL, 3 LB, 5 DB — 4 plays

At Tennessee and elsewhere, nickel becoming the new normal | Evan's Eleven

All I'm suggesting is that we're not locked into any particular scheme. We'll just have to see how it plays out.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

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[Wilson27]

Being a 4-3 single gap defense, though, means that by default we will always be one gap shy from fully defending the option before the ball is even snapped. Add in the fact that we have extreme youth on the corners and a slow middle linebacker, and it starts to become an overwhelming disadvantage. We will see though. Maybe the unblocked end has been properly coached and that will help slow the read down so the defense can adjust on the fly. We will see Saturday.

Agreed. We have shown good discipline as a team so far this year so maybe we mind the gap.

 

[BleedorangeinGA]

I think being humiliated and suspended for a few games will deter others from taking money as much as kicking him off the team would. Plus, players want to know a head coach has their back. Butch has created a family atmosphere and kicking Mo off the team for accepting $1350 seems to go against that. Disciplining him by making him repay the money, suspend him for a few games, and do some additional internal punishment would suffice. I'm glad my family didn't disown me when I had a few lapses in judgment during college.

It’s tough for sure and this is the difficult part of CBJ’s job. Regardless if he is asked to leave or ends up with a suspension he will always be a member of the TN Family. With that said, IF the allegations are proven true you have no choice but to let him go. You can have 0 tolerance with this and the players must understand that. That doesn’t mean he is an outcast or doesn’t still have the love and support of his team or coaches, but what it does mean is he can’t be a player on this team. Yes, it sucks because a choice he made has the potential to hinder his life and family. If true, my heart breaks for the guy. I have had to terminate a employee with over 13 years of service to our company for intentionally being deceptive with his expense report. I hated it, I knew his wife, kids, and developed a friendship with him. We all know there are some rules you just can’t break without serious repercussion. Again, I understand he is young and has a young family. If this is proven to be true, I know we will see the character of CBJ and will handle this with class for the University and Mo. He will have no choice but to ask him to leave but I guarantee he will not leave Mo hanging out to dry. I believe behind the scenes Mo will get the support he needs.