Explosion in Boston?

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Americanized 19 yo college student? More like this:

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The older brother was a pretty hardline muslim (according to this 2010 Boston University article http://www.bu.edu/com/comment/library/downloads/2010_comment.pdf page 12 is his stuff) and the younger brother was seen as a quiet, intelligent kid.

This is almost too textbook.

And then around 5 or so months ago it seems that the older brother went from strict Islam to extremism. Younger brother is easy to manipulate and control. That has all the makings similar to the DC Sniper case.

But there is the possibility that, due to his very apparent rhetoric online, that AQ could have contacted him and convinced him to carry out the attack.

EDIT: Some quotes from the article for those that are too lazy to read it:

"I don't have a single American friend, I don't understand them."

"God said no alcohol." A muslim, he says: "There are no values anymore," and worries that "people can't control themselves."
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DC Vol said:
The older brother was a pretty hardline muslim (according to this 2010 Boston University article http://www.bu.edu/com/comment/library/downloads/2010_comment.pdf page 12 is his stuff) and the younger brother was seen as a quiet, intelligent kid.

This is almost too textbook.

And then around 5 or so months ago it seems that the older brother went from strict Islam to extremism. Younger brother is easy to manipulate and control. That has all the makings similar to the DC Sniper case.

But there is the possibility that, due to his very apparent rhetoric online, that AQ could have contacted him and convinced him to carry out the attack.

EDIT: Some quotes from the article for those that are too lazy to read it:
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Is there more to the article? I only found the pictures and the captions. Seems the only "hard-line Muslim" thing in there is the refusal to drink or smoke.
 
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Unfortunately the photojournalist (Johannes Hirn) that originally did the article on him has censored the article he had as well as the pictures and captions.

There was other stuff in there about his families history in Chechnya and coming to the US as a refugee, how he didn't like walking around without a shirt on as he didn't like giving girls any ideas as well as bragging about converting his girlfriend to Islam.

Also, oddly enough, he was trying to get on the US National Boxing team so he could compete for the US. He said he'd far rather compete for the US than Russia but would compete for Chechnya if they became independent.

Again, you'll have to take this as anecdotal as I'm having to pull it from memory. Perhaps other sides may have pulled the article and pictures/captions but they won't be directly from the source.

It's a bit odd that a journalist, who should be for open information, would censor his article.
 
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therealUT said:
Is there more to the article? I only found the pictures and the captions. Seems the only "hard-line Muslim" thing in there is the refusal to drink or smoke.
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But that, in tandem with having no American friends and not understanding the US culture as well as "being afraid that people cannot control themselves" is coming across pretty hardline.

He doesn't just adhere to those standards himself... he judges those around him that don't which is usually a gateway from being an outlier to being an extremist.

The dude set a bomb off in a public place. He was either doing it for AQ (I don't think so) or he got to the point where he hated the culture to the extent where he wanted to kill people to send a message.

Being this is from 2010 I'd say that over time he got more and more fundamentalist and hardline. Just speculation.

But I know how some folks are and will immediately jump to the "there has to be more to this... a hardline Muslim wouldn't just kill people that don't agree with his world view" stance.
 
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DC Vol said:
Unfortunately , the photojournalist (Johannes Hirn) that originally did the article on him has censored the article he had as well as the pictures and captions.
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Surely the 'original article' could be found through fancy Googlery.

If it exists.
 
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DC Vol said:
But that, in tandem with having no American friends and not understanding the US culture as well as "being afraid that people cannot control themselves" is coming across pretty hardline.

He doesn't just adhere to those standards himself... he judges those around him that don't which is usually a gateway from being an outlier to being an extremist.

The dude set a bomb off in a public place. He was either doing it for AQ (I don't think so) or he got to the point where he hated the culture to the extent where he wanted to kill people to send a message.

Being this is from 2010 I'd say that over time he got more and more fundamentalist and hardline. Just speculation.

But I know how some folks are and will immediately jump to the "there has to be more to this... a hardline Muslim wouldn't just kill people that don't agree with his world view" stance.
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Not saying that. I am leaning to thinking that radical Islamic ideology is in play here. I just did not get that solely from those quotes.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Surely the 'original article' could be found through fancy Googlery.

If it exists.
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Access Denied | Johannes Hirn

That is the guy who wrote the "Will Box for Passport" article. I gave you the guys name. There is the actual link on his website. It was Johannes Hirn's choice to censor it, not mine.

Also, since googling an article whose base source has already been censored is so easy, why don't you go ahead and knock yourself out.
 
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DC Vol said:
Access Denied | Johannes Hirn

That is the guy who wrote the "Will Box for Passport" article. I gave you the guys name. There is the actual link on his website. It was Johannes Hirn's choice to censor it, not mine.

Also, since googling an article whose base source has already been censored is so easy, why don't you go ahead and knock yourself out.
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Because I'm not the one advocating censored ideals here.
 
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therealUT said:
Not saying that. I am leaning to thinking that radical Islamic ideology is in play here. I just did not get that solely from those quotes.
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That's how it came across to me purely from retrospect.

If I was reading this about a random dude... he wouldn't strike me as hardline. However, since this guy was making offhand comments about not understanding American culture, not having any American friends and making comments painting him as a rather rigid adherent to Islam...

and then he is posting about bomb making and terrorism and then actually plants a bomb it's a pretty logical jump from "I don't have any American friends and I don't understand them" to "I don't like Americans or their culture" to what actually happened in Boston.
 
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There may well be a Muslim link. We'll find out more as the facts come out.

In the meantime, that won't stop people from just guessing and making assumptions.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Totally speculating but I the more and more I think about it the harder it is for me to believe its AQ.

1) Although the bombing was terrible, it wasn't "Send two dudes to America for five years" terrible, imo.

2) Not a suicide bombing.

3) Then the one guy robs a 7-11 when his pic gets out, carjacks some dude then lets him go. Just not very AQ.

4) They stick around town? If they were AQ, don't they either run away right after the bombing or go out in a blaze of glory?


Again, I'm speculating, but it just seems to me like its not anything like what we've seen from AQ in the past.
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1. I would see them as having been recruited after the older brother was showing success in boxing, apparently he took the little brother to a lot of bouts. AQ doesn't place moles, so to speak, but actively recruits. These 2 would fit a good profile--smart, successful, unremarkable, never in trouble etc.

Also, AQ et al, likes to encourage sympathetic attacks that take minimal training/prep. Very cheap way to keep the fear going. Most likely what occurred at Fort Hood. If true, FBI and CIA would be looking for a handler among their contacts.

2. Agree with others that the nighttime activities were part of a 2nd phase.

3. Re 7-11, if they needed cash or a car, I could see them taking the risk. It is also possible they were to meet someone there.
 
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