Home raided over Facebook photo of child and his .22 rifle

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govols/cc said:
Your assumption is every kid that owns a gun or has access to one will go commit some sort of mass shooting. Kids should be taught at an early age the difference between a toy gun & a real gun. They should be taught to respect if not fear what a gun can do long before they shoot one or own one.
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Absurd on every level. No reasoning for it, but still absurd.

/feignedoutrage
 
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utvolpj said:
very few adults are without receiving instructions. Your assumptions are wrong
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Incorrect. They may not know mechanically how to use one, but they are going to have better judgment than an 11 year old.

I'm not saying an 11 year old is incapable of being shown how to operate a gun. Just as I would say an 11 year old could be taught how to mechanically operate a car.

I just don't think that they have the judgment at that age.
 
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govols/cc said:
Your assumption is every kid that owns a gun or has access to one will go commit some sort of mass shooting. Kids should be taught at an early age the difference between a toy gun & a real gun. They should be taught to respect if not fear what a gun can do long before they shoot one or own one.
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No, no. Come on now. I'm not saying every one would. I'm saying that the risk is a lot greater there than otherwise because of immaturity to appreciate the consequences of one's actions at that age.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Incorrect. They may not know mechanically how to use one, but they are going to have better judgment than an 11 year old.
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no they really aren't. You might think so but watching a person hold/use a gun for the first time proves it is absolutely not true.

I'd take an 11yo who was taught at a young age and has actually passed a class over any 40yo first timer any day.

lawgator1 said:
I'm not saying an 11 year old is incapable of being shown how to operate a gun. Just as I would say an 11 year old could be taught how to mechanically operate a car.

I just don't think that they have the judgment at that age.
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and yet again you would be wrong
 
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utvolpj said:
no they really aren't. You might think so but watching a person hold/use a gun for the first time proves it is absolutely not true.

I'd take an 11yo who was taught at a young age and has actually passed a class over any 40yo first timer any day.
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You say that as though they are the only options. Its a false choice.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, no. Come on now. I'm not saying every one would. I'm saying that the risk is a lot greater there than otherwise because of immaturity to appreciate the consequences of one's actions at that age.
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IMO more senseless accidents would be prevented if kids were taught like I said. As for the other it has more to do with a person's mental state than simply having access to a gun. A person will find a way to hurt somebody regardless of access to guns or whatever.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You say that as though they are the only options. Its a false choice.
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no it's based off your assumption that an adult would exercise better judgement with a gun on their first attempt than a trained 11yo

regardless of age, anyone trained is better than untrained and even a trained adult can still act like an idiot around guns
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, no. Come on now. I'm not saying every one would. I'm saying that the risk is a lot greater there than otherwise because of immaturity to appreciate the consequences of one's actions at that age.
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:banghead2: You somehow keep missing the point of raising the child to respect and appreciate the consequences of ones actions of owning a firearm.
 
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utvolpj said:
no it's based off your assumption that an adult would exercise better judgement with a gun on their first attempt than a trained 11yo

regardless of age, anyone trained is better than untrained and even a trained adult can still act like an idiot around guns
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LOL, that was not my assumption.

My argument is that an 11 year old is typically going to be too immature to be entrusted with a firearm, and that's regardless of how much training they get.
 
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utvolpj said:
no it's based off your assumption that an adult would exercise better judgement with a gun on their first attempt than a trained 11yo

regardless of age, anyone trained is better than untrained and even a trained adult can still act like an idiot around guns
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Amen. So true. :good!: GBO
 
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lawgator1 said:
LOL, that was not my assumption.

My argument is that an 11 year old is typically going to be too immature to be entrusted with a firearm, and that's regardless of how much training they get.
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no you said

lawgator1 said:
Incorrect. They may not know mechanically how to use one, but they are going to have better judgment than an 11 year old.
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utvolpj said:
very few adults are without receiving instructions. Your assumptions are wrong
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I, along with many of my friends, was able to be entrusted with a firearm at that age (actually it was at 10yo but I'll go with your number). Why? Because the person who trained me was confident in my abilities

an adult holding a firearm for the first time is just as dangerous

btw, knowing how to mechanically operate the gun is pretty important in safely operating one
 
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utvolpj said:
no you said


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I, along with many of my friends, was able to be entrusted with a firearm at that age (actually it was at 10yo but I'll go with your number). Why? Because the person who trained me was confident in my abilities

an adult holding a firearm for the first time is just as dangerous

btw, knowing how to mechanically operate the gun is pretty important in safely operating one
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Actually it's adults that THINK they know something about guns but don't that scare me more than any number of youths out there that grew up properly mentored in firearms use/safety.
 
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Question for LG.... You have already said the judgement of an 11 year old is suspect where firearms are concerned. At what age would you consider judgement sufficient to warrant being entrusted with a firearm?
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
Question for LG.... You have already said the judgement of an 11 year old is suspect where firearms are concerned. At what age would you consider judgement to warrant being entrusted with a firearm?
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I'm going to go with whatever the drinking age is in each state, so typically 18 or 21. But I might be persuaded to also treat it kind of like a learner's permit, i.e. at 15 an adult can take you to the range, get you lessons, you are always supervised by an adult. That kind of thing.

It is admittedly arbitrary in the same sense that the drinking age is, but that seems to be the accepted norm. And it is hard for me to make a case that someone younger than that should have their own firearm.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm going to go with whatever the drinking age is in each state, so typically 18 or 21. But I might be persuaded to also treat it kind of like a learner's permit, i.e. at 15 an adult can take you to the range, get you lessons, you are always supervised by an adult. That kind of thing.

It is admittedly arbitrary in the same sense that the drinking age is, but that seems to be the accepted norm. And it is hard for me to make a case that someone younger than that should have their own firearm.
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I ask because the military has no qualms about putting honest to God assault weapons in the hands of 17 year olds.... My point being that (as you even alluded to...) maturity and judgement are subjective and are best handled on an individual basis. If I wasn't absolutely convinced that my daughter was ready for her .22 she most certainly wouldn't have gotten it. As it stands, she is learning things about responsibility, discipline and respect at an earlier age than many kids her age. I just don't see how that can be construed as irresponsibke parenting....
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
I ask because the military has no qualms about putting honest to God assault weapons in the hands of 17 year olds.... My point being that (as you even alluded to...) maturity and judgement are subjective and are best handled on an individual basis. If I wasn't absolutely convinced that my daughter was ready for her .22 she most certainly wouldn't have gotten it. As it stands, she is learning things about responsibility, discipline and respect at an earlier age than many kids her age. I just don't see how that can be construed as irresponsibke parenting....
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Too bad liberals like LG think they're smarter than you in every facet of life and therefore they can tell you how to raise your kids.
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
I ask because the military has no qualms about putting honest to God assault weapons in the hands of 17 year olds.... My point being that (as you even alluded to...) maturity and judgement are subjective and are best handled on an individual basis. If I wasn't absolutely convinced that my daughter was ready for her .22 she most certainly wouldn't have gotten it. As it stands, she is learning things about responsibility, discipline and respect at an earlier age than many kids her age. I just don't see how that can be construed as irresponsibke parenting....
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Huh?
 
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typical lib to want to remove the parental responsibility in favor of govt regs

FYI- in order to hunt you already have to take a class that starts at 10yo so technically the kid in the OP already had his learners permit
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
Too bad liberals like LG think they're smarter than you in every facet of life and therefore they can tell you how to raise your kids.
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Obviously, I think I'm right. But I've acknowledged you have your own point of view based on your own experience. I didn't say I was smarter than you (although, clearly, I am.)
 
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