'13 FL ATH Lemond Johnson (UT Commit 12/16/12)

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UTMark said:
Well then, we'll agree to disagree. A switch back to a 4-3 and more cover 2 and I think you'll be surprised. If course guys like Johnson , JRM, Sills and Jones will help out.
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You're right, scheme was a part of it. So was talent.
 
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Serenadium51 said:
Dooley never gave him a chance. Teague sure as hell wasn't ready, a blind mouse could see that, why not put Bonner in, he couldn't have done any worse.
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I think he was about to before he got in trouble.

Teague/PWag weren't good, but they were also put on an island way too much which got them exposed.
 
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005 said:
i think you will be pleasantly surprised with the progress/how competitive we are in 2013. jmo.
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You guys are talking like I think our D in 2013 will be terrible. I've only been talking about the defense under Dooley. I expect our D to be better next year, I won't be surprised if it is. Mostly because we have a coach who knows how to scheme and evaluate talent correctly.
 
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Serenadium51 said:
You guys are talking like I think our D in 2013 will be terrible. I've only been talking about the defense under Dooley. I expect our D to be better next year, I won't be surprised if it is. Mostly because we have a coach who knows how to scheme and evaluate talent correctly.
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Ok. I think you and I were talking about two different evaluations. I was speaking of tape, seeing in person while in JUCO or HS to see if they were worthy of playing at UT. You are talking about looking at a kid and evaluating what scheme he's best at playing winning football. I think if that's the case we are both right.
 
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Serenadium51 said:
You guys keep responding to me, so I'm gonna defend my position. Dooley was bad at everything, scheme, recruiting, evaluating, playcalling, you name it.
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You're not going to find many Dooley aplogists on this board. However, it's not as simple as 'Dooley sucks at everything'.

You made the Palardy argument against Dooley ... then backtracked and blamed Dooley for KEEPING Palardy after someone pointed out he didn't actually recruit him. Flawed reasoning. Palardy was the number 1 kicker in the country that year. Several coaches (including Saban) would have gladly given a scholly to Palardy.

So Palardy didn't pan out. Sh!t happens. All coaches strike out on highly rated recruits.

I understand your hatred for Dooley. Really. But many of your arguments just don't hold water...
 
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UTMark said:
Ok. I think you and I were talking about two different evaluations. I was speaking of tape, seeing in person while in JUCO or HS to see if they were worthy of playing at UT. You are talking about looking at a kid and evaluating what scheme he's best at playing winning football. I think if that's the case we are both right.
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Exactly! Jancek will mold his scheme around keeping it simple, and being able to just react. Defense is all about instincts, and being able to use them.
 
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Serenadium51 said:
You guys are talking like I think our D in 2013 will be terrible. I've only been talking about the defense under Dooley. I expect our D to be better next year, I won't be surprised if it is. Mostly because we have a coach who knows how to scheme and evaluate talent correctly.
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So you're saying freshmen will be the reason our d is good in 2013,if talent evaluation is the reason we will be good. By your logic our current roster is terrible because of Dooley recruiting, so if we are good next year on D, it will be only freshmen that Dooley didn't offer making us good, because all the players DD brought in are bad.
 
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Best thing about the new defensive recruits(particularly the secondary) is that they can all run. This new scheme will need athletes to work if it's not as complicated as some others(which is fine with me). I do want to see more film on this kid here though.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Best thing about the new defensive recruits(particularly the secondary) is that they can all run. This new scheme will need athletes to work if it's not as complicated as some others(which is fine with me). I do want to see more film on this kid here though.
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Yeah, but you gotta love his offer list. That goes longer than stars with me.
 
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People can say whatever they want about Dooleys recruiting, & there is a lot of bad but the fact is he landed 3 straight top 15 classes. That hadn't been done in a decade.
 
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allvol_12 said:
I think he was about to before he got in trouble.

Teague/PWag weren't good, but they were also put on an island way too much which got them exposed.
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I thought Waggner was back at his natural position and had been a very good corner. I have to believe that scheme is a big part because Waggner couldn't have just gotten bad. I was confident with him and Gordon. Lanier was a huge loss.
 
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Our D was bad b/c Sal refused to mold his scheme to what the players could do. He threw the entire 3-4 playbook at them & never pulled anything back. Wilcox molded his D around what his players knew & didn't confuse them with to much. I expect Jancek to not be stubborn like Sal was & only use what the players actually understand.
 
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Wilcox said himself that his D was simple but gave the O confusing looks.

Sal's D was complex... but confused no one on the other side but everyone on UT's side.
 
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jmoore_21 said:
People can say whatever they want about Dooleys recruiting, & there is a lot of bad but the fact is he landed 3 straight top 15 classes. That hadn't been done in a decade.
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I agree. It was better than people want to admit because they assume Dooley was bad at everything. The only concern was the article about his relationships with schools in the Chattanooga area. But he and his staff could actually spot talent. This current class even justifies that as Campbell ended up at Texas after people first questioned that offer. Skipper now has an offer from Michigan. I think the only reaches were Barnes and Zanca.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I thought Waggner was back at his natural position and had been a very good corner. I have to believe that scheme is a big part because Waggner couldn't have just gotten bad. I was confident with him and Gordon. Lanier was a huge loss.
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Waggner and Gordon don't have the legs to play CB in the SEC. Wasn't confident in Lanier's ability to open up and run with WRs either. Bad scheme + mediocre talent= bad results
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Waggner and Gordon don't have the legs to play CB in the SEC. Wasn't confident in Lanier's ability to open up and run with WRs either. Bad scheme + mediocre talent= bad results
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Yea I understand. But Waggner was not horrible under Wilcox. I can't quite remember if his number of INT's was at corner or safety, but he could hold his own.

I do agree that we are slow in the back end but it is not as bad as it was shown. Moore also took some really bad angles on a couple of long plays and that is all fundamentals.
 
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jmoore_21 said:
People can say whatever they want about Dooleys recruiting, & there is a lot of bad but the fact is he landed 3 straight top 15 classes. That hadn't been done in a decade.
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No one should criticize his recruiting. That's for sure. I've always defended him in that regard. And, compared to other programs, we've had little attrition because of the players he brought in. Alas, I never could understand his recruiting of TN. It was terrible, IMO. He blew-off most TN HS staffs.
 
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Mike4Vols said:
You're not going to find many Dooley aplogists on this board. However, it's not as simple as 'Dooley sucks at everything'.

You made the Palardy argument against Dooley ... then backtracked and blamed Dooley for KEEPING Palardy after someone pointed out he didn't actually recruit him. Flawed reasoning. Palardy was the number 1 kicker in the country that year. Several coaches (including Saban) would have gladly given a scholly to Palardy.

So Palardy didn't pan out. Sh!t happens. All coaches strike out on highly rated recruits.

I understand your hatred for Dooley. Really. But many of your arguments just don't hold water...
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I wasn't backtracking at all. I was wrong when I was saying palardy was recruited by Dooley. There were people endorsing his evaluation skills, him keeping palardy is a sign of poor evaluations considering palardy can't hit the broad side of a barn when kicking.
 
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jave36 said:
So you're saying freshmen will be the reason our d is good in 2013,if talent evaluation is the reason we will be good. By your logic our current roster is terrible because of Dooley recruiting, so if we are good next year on D, it will be only freshmen that Dooley didn't offer making us good, because all the players DD brought in are bad.
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I'm not saying they're all bad, I'm saying Jones will be able to scheme to their strengths and put them in more favorable positions. Our D will be improved, but by no means will it be a brick wall.
 
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jmoore_21 said:
People can say whatever they want about Dooleys recruiting, & there is a lot of bad but the fact is he landed 3 straight top 15 classes. That hadn't been done in a decade.
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Not that great of a feat when 8 of the top 10 classes are other SEC schools.
 
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LynxVol said:
No one should criticize his recruiting. That's for sure. I've always defended him in that regard. And, compared to other programs, we've had little attrition because of the players he brought in. Alas, I never could understand his recruiting of TN. It was terrible, IMO. He blew-off most TN HS staffs.
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Little attrition. Darick getting kicked off, Clear getting kicked off, Bray's multiple off field issues, and multiple players failing classes. There's been quite a bit of attrition.
 
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I just want to see this defense grow as a unit and play hard sound football. I need some mean players to emerge on defense though. Guys that hate ball carriers and that live for contact.
 
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