Official Jon Gruden Thread XIV

[Vollen For Life]

I've seen opionions on every but Mora I think, so any thoughts?? I think he would be good personally

 

[Coastypop]

I know u r still on board. I'm on board. It might be a sinking ship but I think there is a chance the holes will be plugged. Nothing in the media today has me convinced it can't be salvaged. Bcarter jumping has me more worried than anything but I'm still a believer.

I am sure he has his reasons.... but I was believing the impossible before he came into the thread... I am sure he has great contacts but my money has always been on the $$$$ people and not the AD office.

I may be proved wrong, but it will be when they hire a new coach not named Gruden... not because of some tweet, internet post, or Jimmy Hymns report coming from Hart

 

[Dylecho]

Look I'm not privy to the negotiations and I don't pretend to be, but my work involves this sort of negotiating pretty frequently, and this has all the makings of the principals (JG, Boosters) having their wants mitigated by the wants of those entrusted with negotiating for them.

Specifically, Hart believes that he can get Gruden to sign what's in front of him, and that moving on and interviewing others is proof that UT has other options lined up. This is a tactic, nothing more. Hart has clearly left Gruden with his final offer and is hoping that JG can and will convince LaMonte that he's got what he wants and he's ready to wear orange for a living.

Same goes for LaMonte, I believe that Gruden told him he was ready to sign, but LaMonte told him to lay low and let him go to work on getting TN to revise their position. LaMonte wants the perfect contract for his client (remember, this revolves around control, control, and more control), it helps him keep his percentages high and does well for his reputation. This isn't just about Gruden, this is LaMonte protecting his reputation too, and he's got future clients in mind. Simply put, Bob LaMonte does not sign contracts that make his clients administratively weak, he stakes his rep on it.

In my view, the money is no longer a problem and TN has shown that they are willing to pony up for their guy, perhaps in spite of themselves.

Right now it's a standoff between the negotiating parties, and the $$$ and JG have been put in a holding pattern pending one side or the other coming back to the table. Right now LaMonte is winning though because those Chatty reports have turned the heat up on Hart - the booster community is up in arms and letting him hear it. Boosters know that Chatty speaks for them, they know who's got the right info.

 

[DD4ME]

So I posted a picture of Gruden earlier this afternoon, with a YouTube of Boyz 2 Men - It's So Hard to Say Goodbye to Yesterday attached. Well, it was playing on my ipad, and I'm 99% sure it blew the speaker on my ipad.

So yes...our program blows, we whiffed on our top coaching choice, and Jon Gruden blew my effing iPad speaker via Boyz 2 freaking Men.

It's been a real banner day.

Lulz

 

[photovol]

I think this is what happened, just speculating but this is the place for this. Imagine this:

Dooley is failing. A big money guy finds himself in a position to meet Jon. They converse about UT football. Then Dooley is failing worse, booster a calls booster b and talks about the Gruden conversation. They contact him to gauge his interest and then to know what sort of package he needs Gruden calls a few people to see what their salary demands would be. He also speaks of concerns about recruiting and the red tape in the college game. He tells booster a and booster b a ridiculous salary number to not seem like he is closing a door maybe, but high enough he expects a no. They get the money together and start talking "done deal" because of this.

Not at all saying what happened is anything close to this but its possible Gruden got hung up in a Booster fantasy and was forced to say no.

There are tons of scenarios where Hart is not the villain here. Just trying to be reasonable and think what could have happened.

This sounds very possible....I think Gruden with his enormous ego decided the task at hand was too much risk for him....maybe he's looking for the gravy job with much less of a challenge

 

[WhitewaterVol]

gloom respire and agony on me

Gloom despair and agony on me

Gloom despair and agony on me - YouTube

 

[LorettoVol]

Just want to say that however this works out, Gruden or no Gruden, you guys and gals in these forums have been most entertaining. Been a pleasure reading all this and getting to know you folks.

GO VOLS!!!!

 

[Yay4Bray]

I think this is what happened, just speculating but this is the place for this. Imagine this:

Dooley is failing. A big money guy finds himself in a position to meet Jon. They converse about UT football. Then Dooley is failing worse, booster a calls booster b and talks about the Gruden conversation. They contact him to gauge his interest and then to know what sort of package he needs Gruden calls a few people to see what their salary demands would be. He also speaks of concerns about recruiting and the red tape in the college game. He tells booster a and booster b a ridiculous salary number to not seem like he is closing a door maybe, but high enough he expects a no. They get the money together and start talking "done deal" because of this.

Not at all saying what happened is anything close to this but its possible Gruden got hung up in a Booster fantasy and was forced to say no.

There are tons of scenarios where Hart is not the villain here. Just trying to be reasonable and think what could have happened.

You have no idea what actually occurred. This post spells it out blatantly.

 

[Air_Force_Vol27]

I was hopeful... until today ya meanie!

Sorry not aimed toward you alone just tired of the ff negagrudes

 

[JohnnyBanana]

I'm still under a year on the ipad. They'll replace it thankfully.

Lucky

 

[InVOLuntary]

I am sure he has his reasons.... but I was believing the impossible before he came into the thread... I am sure he has great contacts but my money has always been on the $$$$ people and not the AD office.

I may be proved wrong, but it will be when they hire a new coach not named Gruden... not because of some tweet, internet post, or Jimmy Hymns report coming from Hart

So Coasty, you at 80% or 100%?

 

[Jake]

I will 1000% agree with you on this. This is swimming with the sharks.

IF (and a big IF), this job isn't filled by this time next Friday, then we absolutely still have a game on. The next week will be telling.

BUT, to get this closed, Haslem is going to have to broker the terms of this deal himself, and then let Davey boy and the lawyers paper it up.

I agree...

 

[4volfans2468]

I believe the deal will be done. Everyone wants it done but it has to appe a certain way...cannot appea that boosters run the show.. it is intermission and the play will begin next week or hopefully sooner.m.i feel in my bones after the season we had no way we would put a stop to a deal that would end this misery..

Nice post!

 

[247VOL365]

I'm really starting to feel like we got played by gruden...he just wanted a media bump and twitter trend...maybe?

Well, we are talking about a football coach, not a Hollywood celeb type. Doesn't seem like something a football coach would do. I could be way wrong.

 

[Yay4Bray]

This sounds very possible....I think Gruden with his enormous ego decided the task at hand was too much risk for him....maybe he's looking for the gravy job with much less of a challenge

Where do you guys come up with this stuff? This is so far off the map you're on another planet.

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

I'm sure there are some very informative posts in here right now, but I'm too buzzed to read them.:crazy:

Gruden.

 

[VolMaster14]

Grudenites on November 30 2012...

 

[DieHardVOL]

I got a strange feeling that too much info got out a little to quickly for the Gruden camp for whatever reason. Not sure it's dead, maybe dormat, not dead. I honestly think its going to be played out that Hart later meets with Gruden and makes a deal and it makes Fart, I mean Hart, Look like a hero..... Then again, I thought we would win the East this year, so wtf knows. IMO, he becomes our coach around the middle of December.... Not sure why, but I'll be proved wrong when we hire someone different.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Look I'm not privy to the negotiations and I don't pretend to be, but my work involves this sort of negotiating pretty frequently, and this has all the makings of the principals (JG, Boosters) having their wants mitigated by the wants of those entrusted with negotiating for them.

Specifically, Hart believes that he can get Gruden to sign what's in front of him, and that moving on and interviewing others is proof that UT has other options lined up. This is a tactic, nothing more. Hart has clearly left Gruden with his final offer and is hoping that JG can and will convince LaMonte that he's got what he wants and he's ready to wear orange for a living.

Same goes for LaMonte, I believe that Gruden told him he was ready to sign, but LaMonte told him to lay low and let him go to work on getting TN to revise their position. LaMonte wants the perfect contract for his client (remember, this revolves around control, control, and more control), it helps him keep his percentages high and does well for his reputation. This isn't just about Gruden, this is LaMonte protecting his reputation too, and he's got future clients in mind. Simply put, Bob LaMonte does not sign contracts that make his clients administratively weak, he stakes his rep on it.

In my view, the money is no longer a problem and TN has shown that they are willing to pony up for their guy, perhaps in spite of themselves.

Right now it's a standoff between the negotiating parties, and the $$$ and JG have been put in a holding pattern pending one side or the other coming back to the table. Right now LaMonte is winning though because those Chatty reports have turned the heat up on Hart - the booster community is up in arms and letting him hear it. Boosters know that Chatty speaks for them, they know who's got the right info.

I said this the other day and was ridiculed for it.

 

[happywaydown]

Look I'm not privy to the negotiations and I don't pretend to be, but my work involves this sort of negotiating pretty frequently, and this has all the makings of the principals (JG, Boosters) having their wants mitigated by the wants of those entrusted with negotiating for them.

Specifically, Hart believes that he can get Gruden to sign what's in front of him, and that moving on and interviewing others is proof that UT has other options lined up. This is a tactic, nothing more. Hart has clearly left Gruden with his final offer and is hoping that JG can and will convince LaMonte that he's got what he wants and he's ready to wear orange for a living.

Same goes for LaMonte, I believe that Gruden told him he was ready to sign, but LaMonte told him to lay low and let him go to work on getting TN to revise their position. LaMonte wants the perfect contract for his client (remember, this revolves around control, control, and more control), it helps him keep his percentages high and does well for his reputation. This isn't just about Gruden, this is LaMonte protecting his reputation too, and he's got future clients in mind. Simply put, Bob LaMonte does not sign contracts that make his clients administratively weak, he stakes his rep on it.

In my view, the money is no longer a problem and TN has shown that they are willing to pony up for their guy, perhaps in spite of themselves.

Right now it's a standoff between the negotiating parties, and the $$$ and JG have been put in a holding pattern pending one side or the other coming back to the table. Right now LaMonte is winning though because those Chatty reports have turned the heat up on Hart - the booster community is up in arms and letting him hear it. Boosters know that Chatty speaks for them, they know who's got the right info.

This really feels plausible. I can't believe I just typed that. This really does make sense.

 

[crparker21]

You have no idea what actually occurred. This post spells it out blatantly.

So what happened then?

 

[Coastypop]

You have no idea what actually occurred. This post spells it out blatantly.

what has occured? Not a shot, an honest question?

 

[warrior]

I think this is what happened, just speculating but this is the place for this. Imagine this:

Dooley is failing. A big money guy finds himself in a position to meet Jon. They converse about UT football. Then Dooley is failing worse, booster a calls booster b and talks about the Gruden conversation. They contact him to gauge his interest and then to know what sort of package he needs Gruden calls a few people to see what their salary demands would be. He also speaks of concerns about recruiting and the red tape in the college game. He tells booster a and booster b a ridiculous salary number to not seem like he is closing a door maybe, but high enough he expects a no. They get the money together and start talking "done deal" because of this.

Not at all saying what happened is anything close to this but its possible Gruden got hung up in a Booster fantasy and was forced to say no.

There are tons of scenarios where Hart is not the villain here. Just trying to be reasonable and think what could have happened.

Hargis said hios source was a coach GRuden had dealt with about coming with him to UT straight up. He said, on the radio, that he had even been shown a text from Lemonte saying if the assistant demands were met , Gruden would be at UT.

 

[gatorhator4eva]

Three things could possibly happen next, if the information is correct(who the hell knows by now). I think a press conference will come soon.

1. They will state that gruden rumors are false and continue to deny them. Even then who do
We believe the way this rollercoaster has been.
2. The UT will fire Dave Hart if the so called rumors going around about him are true. Cheeks would be next if he's trying to ride in harts boat. At that point i would say gruden would come back the table with a collective effort from ut alumni not including hart of course.(if any of what we heard is true, lol)
3. At a later date gruden would be announced.(not sure how that would play out, tough call.)

I think the university will address it soon even though hart tried to release a so called statement, if not they will have a huge pr problem.

 

[AbeFroman]

Where do you guys come up with this stuff? This is so far off the map you're on another planet.

Keep rolling man, some of us are sticking with it. :clapping: