Official Jon Gruden Thread VI

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Jake said:
THAT is a really solid point...regarding the bowl game trash we would receive if we make it. Fowler would trash TN.
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Who the hell would listen or care about us at this point?? It doesn't matter. If bad pub comes from it no one will be listening. We need the practice time and besides DD will get the blame is anybody does hear
 
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98utvols said:
When you say depending on how today goes, meeting with Hart?
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Not any meeting that I know of, but to think that debacle yesterday doesn't spawn some Sunday conversations, meetings, and such is naive. They are not all just at home cooking a good hearty family meal right now, they are trying to figure out what is best for this team and more to the point how to quell the $hitstorm surroundind the football program.

They can either:

Fire tomorrow and possibly give the team a boost to make a bowl game more possible. They do not respect him and I fear he fully lost them yesterday.

Fire after Vandy loss, seems kind of like Hubbs is grasping at straws here. I don't think he knows that for sure and is guessing using the WWHD theorem. (What would Hammy do) fan apathy hit a historic low yesterday and if Dooley is at the helm we assuredly lose at Vandy. Maybe an interim in a very well liked Chaney would provide a spark, idk.

Or fire at the end of season, safest thing publicly I guess but all but guarantees no bowl.

I think those are the only 3 scenarios that are over 1% likely given the circumstances. I am thinking a little thought and discussion is likely to make the first stand out as the most sensible.
 
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BruinVol said:
Who the hell would listen or care about us at this point?? It doesn't matter. If bad pub comes from it no one will be listening. We need the practice time and besides DD will get the blame is anybody does hear
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It's just more embarrassment. And I really don't think any of us need or want anymore. I, for one, have had enough.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
UT isnt concerned with restaurants and the local economy. Also, Aramark pays a flat fee at the beginning of the season to provide food service to UT. UT doesnt gain or lose money if people dont show up, Aramark loses money.
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pretty sure Aramark not getting the profits/losses from merchandise & memorabilia
 
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Jake said:
It's just more embarrassment. And I really don't think any of us need or want anymore. I, for one, have had enough.
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I would sure take more of it if it resulted in development for our roster going forward. That's what bowl prep would do for our kids that aren't playing. Academic casualties happen all over the country in bowl season and it wouldn't get anymore afternoon than the earthquake got here yesterday.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
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Fire tomorrow and possibly give the team a boost to make a bowl game more possible. They do not respect him and I fear he fully lost them yesterday.

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Who are they gonna make mad by doing this ? Saban? Barbara?

I think it is more of a publicity nightmare to limp into the offseason with a lame duck coach. Time to shake it up.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Not any meeting that I know of, but to think that debacle yesterday doesn't spawn some Sunday conversations, meetings, and such is naive. They are not all just at home cooking a good hearty family meal right now, they are trying to figure out what is best for this team and more to the point how to quell the $hitstorm surroundind the football program.

They can either:

Fire tomorrow and possibly give the team a boost to make a bowl game more possible. They do not respect him and I fear he fully lost them yesterday.

Fire after Vandy loss, seems kind of like Hubbs is grasping at straws here. I don't think he knows that for sure and is guessing using the WWHD theorem. (What would Hammy do) fan apathy hit a historic low yesterday and if Dooley is at the helm we assuredly lose at Vandy. Maybe an interim in a very well liked Chaney would provide a spark, idk.

Or fire at the end of season, safest thing publicly I guess but all but guarantees no bowl.

I think those are the only 3 scenarios that are over 1% likely given the circumstances. I am thinking a little thought and discussion is likely to make the first stand out as the most sensible.
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I was thinking of your earlier post with this in mind...If Hart continues to let Dooley hang himself (lose to Vandy) and no bowl for 2 yrs in a row.... even Dools family (who I hear Hart is friends with) could not be angry with hart for firing him
 
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BruinVol said:
I would sure take more of it if it resulted in development for our roster going forward. That's what bowl prep would do for our kids that aren't playing. Academic casualties happen all over the country in bowl season and it wouldn't get anymore afternoon than the earthquake got here yesterday.
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Man, I see your point. And I do agree with the football philosophy behind your debate...

...but I also think that this program is ready to close the curtains on this season and hit the restart button this spring.

Let's say, we get to a bowl and get beat by a less than worthy opponent....AGAIN? You really think the experience is that valuable to players coming back next year? I'm not buying it...not in these circumstances.

I repeat...not in these circumstances.
 
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Jake said:
Man, I see your point. And I do agree with the football philosophy behind your debate...

...but I also think that this program is ready to close the curtains on this season and hit the restart button this spring.

Let's say, we get to a bowl and get beat by a less than worthy opponent....AGAIN? You really think the experience is that valuable to players coming back next year? I'm not buying it...not in these circumstances.

I repeat...not in these circumstances.
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As a fan in 2012 i agree. I am strictly thinking 2013 and beyond. I for one would love peterman to get an extra spring practice which is essentionally what a bowl is. The outcome of the bowl is irrelevant even if we get embarrassed
 
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MWAVolfan said:
2. Businesses not connected to UT will stop donating because business is down
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Let's run with this one....

If I'm a business that makes huge money when UT football is thriving, say because I jack up prices for home games, bad football hits my bottom line because fans won't show up to watch a crappy team. Let's say I donate to football, now I have less to donate.

Let's say I am also a sponsor and purchase advertising with UT sports... I'm co-branding my business with the Vols brand, since there really is no viable way to track ROI on this, beyond increased sales, which I hope I see. If I buy advertising on the LED in Neyland or the game day program, I need eyes on my ad, crappy team means less eyes, which means I'm not getting my business seen and I'm not making that extra money. I have to look closely at where my ad budget for next year goes because now I need it to produce even more to make up for the revenue lost from lack of fan interest in UT games.
 
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Why do we assume any bowl would want us this year? The fans aren't showing up at Neyland. Didn't we return tickets to Vandy? That's a hard sell this year, IMO.
 
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I think its disrespectful to the kids to wait. All of the attention will be focused on Dooley and his impending sacking. Announce it now, let the fans send this group out with a message of hope. I'd prefer to cheer for the Vols against Vandy/UK instead of against Dooley.
 
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